TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Children Made To Cook And Clean For Migrants For School Project

ed11563 · Guru

Another side-effect of interfering and "nation building". We should have helped the tyrants stay in power in Iraq and Syria.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

ed11563 wrote:

Another side-effect of interfering and "nation building". We should have helped the tyrants stay in power in Iraq and Syria.

Wouldn't that also be "interfering"?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I don't see the big deal. Most schools now have some sort of community service as part of earning grad. credits.

And would it really hurt if a kid learn to think about someone else now and then?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

We taxpayers are already serving the non working. How about they serve us?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Mark 10:43-45

But it shall not be so among you. But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”

Philippines 2:3-5

Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,

1 Peter 5:5

Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

And that is just 3 reasons why.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Why what?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Why servitude is a good thing. Even commanded.

And why we shouldn't have an attitude that we are better than anyone. No matter their economic status.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:

Why servitude is a good thing. Even commanded.

And why we shouldn't have an attitude that we are better than anyone. No matter their economic status.

Why not? Paul said that if a man does not work he does not Eat. I can quote right back at ya, ya know, lol.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Parable of the Ten Virgins and the lamps. And the FOOLISH Virgins who squandered what they had wanted a handout from the diligent ones. Hmm...oh yeah, they were cast OUT.

FNW · Guru

They can change their own damn linens.

Personally, through out church, we give to the poor. Of our time, and our service. We cook meals to donate to the homeless shelter. We donate our clothing. We put money in the extra collection during Mass. My boys bring food in to their religious education classes to feed the homeless. We make casseroles to feed the homeless during the frigid winter. The boys learn to help others in need. But they also learn to be independent and do for themselves. These migrants need to be taught to do for themselves as well.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Funny how the people getting the handouts are never expected to do a damn thing.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Who says they are not doing for themselves?

Would it be different if it were a shelter for battered women? Or if it were a hospital?

The point is not to keep the migrants from having to do anything.

The point is teaching that serving others is honorable.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I would not want my child changing stranger's sheets. That's just gross.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Why servitude is a good thing. Even commanded.

And why we shouldn't have an attitude that we are better than anyone. No matter their economic status.

Why not? Paul said that if a man does not work he does not Eat. I can quote right back at ya, ya know, lol.

So you want to only live by the part of the Bible that supports your view of how it should be?

Is that really how we should use the Bible to guide us?

Jesus served.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They cant help themselves why?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Why servitude is a good thing. Even commanded.

And why we shouldn't have an attitude that we are better than anyone. No matter their economic status.

Why not? Paul said that if a man does not work he does not Eat. I can quote right back at ya, ya know, lol.
So you want to only live by the part of the Bible that supports your view of how it should be?
Is that really how we should use the Bible to guide us?
Jesus served.

Jesus served those in need. Are these people incapable of changing their own sheets? They don't NEED someone to change their sheets.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh so you are going to browbeat kids with the Bible while able bodied lazy ass adults sit by?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Why servitude is a good thing. Even commanded.

And why we shouldn't have an attitude that we are better than anyone. No matter their economic status.

Why not? Paul said that if a man does not work he does not Eat. I can quote right back at ya, ya know, lol.
So you want to only live by the part of the Bible that supports your view of how it should be?
Is that really how we should use the Bible to guide us?
Jesus served.

Jesus served those in need. Are these people incapable of changing their own sheets? They don't NEED someone to change their sheets.

The Apostle's didn't NEED their feet washed either, but Jesus washed their feet to make a point. I think the class has a good idea.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Why servitude is a good thing. Even commanded.

And why we shouldn't have an attitude that we are better than anyone. No matter their economic status.

Why not? Paul said that if a man does not work he does not Eat. I can quote right back at ya, ya know, lol.
So you want to only live by the part of the Bible that supports your view of how it should be?
Is that really how we should use the Bible to guide us?
Jesus served.

Jesus served those in need. Are these people incapable of changing their own sheets? They don't NEED someone to change their sheets.
The Apostle's didn't NEED their feet washed either, but Jesus washed their feet to make a point. I think the class has a good idea.

Jesus was an adult. He didn't take other people's children off and tell them to wash strangers' feet.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lawyerlady wrote:
just Czech wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Why servitude is a good thing. Even commanded.

And why we shouldn't have an attitude that we are better than anyone. No matter their economic status.

Why not? Paul said that if a man does not work he does not Eat. I can quote right back at ya, ya know, lol.
So you want to only live by the part of the Bible that supports your view of how it should be?
Is that really how we should use the Bible to guide us?
Jesus served.

Jesus served those in need. Are these people incapable of changing their own sheets? They don't NEED someone to change their sheets.
The Apostle's didn't NEED their feet washed either, but Jesus washed their feet to make a point. I think the class has a good idea.
Jesus was an adult. He didn't take other people's children off and tell them to wash strangers' feet.

These kids are 13 and 14 years old, old enough to learn to serve others.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

There are lots of ways you can teach children to serve others that does not involve this type of nonsense. They could work in a food kitchen and serve the hungry, for one.

Doing someone's housework who is fully capable of doing it themselves isn't teaching them to help the needy, it's teaching them to resent migrants.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 14th of October 2015 03:38:31 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well if u want to go wait on able bodied adults sitting on their asses then be my guest. Who is stopping you?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lawyerlady wrote:
There are lots of ways you can teach children to serve others that does not involve this type of nonsense. They could work in a food kitchen and serve the hungry, for one.

Doing someone's housework who is fully capable of doing it themselves isn't teaching them to help the needy, it's teaching them to resent migrants.

-- Edited by Lawyerlady on Wednesday 14th of October 2015 03:38:31 PM

With Germany's history and continued private attitudes (yes, I have been there and seen the attitudes) this remains a good idea, IMHO.

For all we know, the migrants may be out looking for work or actually working the odd hours no one else will work.

I see nothing wrong with this, especially since it was the kids idea in the first place.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

No way in hell I would allow my teenage DAUGHTER in a camp with men that had to be reminded that women have rights, too.

The migrant camps, btw, where grown women are afraid to walk anywhere because they are getting raped.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

This is where you want young children serving????

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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I notice how they neglect the parable of the ten virgins and the lamp oil. Uh huh.

TrudyML · Guru

You crack me up!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It's funny how the Bible only applies to these kids. But curiously not to these adult men. Uh huh.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You do realize you are arguing against doing God's teachings.

And you don't know these adults are sitting and doing nothing.

It's as if anytime helping others is mentioned, you want to run them down.

Why is that?

And you may know the Bible cover to cover. But it is useless if you don't live it.

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Changing sheets is a little weird, but providing comfort? Seems like a nice thing to do regardless of the population.

karl271 · Guru

Yes, changing sheets is a bit much, I think. But providing comfort. Seems like a good way to see how some other people live and may just be a good experience for their future life. Never hurts to get out of your comfort zone and see what is going on in other areas - even for children.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

You really think the kids aren't chaperoned?

flan

Tignanello · My dog name is, Sasha!

Maybe it's preparing them for a future in housekeeping? Luxury hotels pay well and the work is often stable!

Ohfour · Hooker

Sorry, my kids aren't changing anyone's sheets. Cooking, light cleaning, fine. But I would draw the line on the sheets...

NAOW · Vette's SS

Ohfour wrote:
Sorry, my kids aren't changing anyone's sheets. Cooking, light cleaning, fine. But I would draw the line on the sheets...

I agree.

My parents were far from strict when I was growing up but I remember being surprised when I told my mom I was applying to work as a housekeeper at a hotel and she said no way.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:

You do realize you are arguing against doing God's teachings.

And you don't know these adults are sitting and doing nothing.

It's as if anytime helping others is mentioned, you want to run them down.

Why is that?

And you may know the Bible cover to cover. But it is useless if you don't live it.

I am "arguing against God's teachings"? Um, I am perfectly capable of reading the Bible. The Bible is very clear about personal responsibility and not shirking one's own duties. Uh huh. You can't accuse me of picking and choosing when you are picking and choosing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:

You really think the kids aren't chaperoned?

flan

Sorry but my kids are not indentured servants of the State.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The Parable of the Ten Virgins

25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.

6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’

7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’

9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’

10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.

11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’

12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’

13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Proverbs 13:4 ESV

The soul of the sluggard craves and gets nothing, while the soul of the diligent is richly supplied.

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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Do you want me to keep going? I can. These grown ass people cannot make their own beds WHY?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Grown arse adults living off the govt dole, doing WHAT exactly all day? Uh huh. They can't cook, clean, fold and do their own bedding. Wow. And, we want to send in CHILDREN to do it. That is absolutely the most PATHETIC thing I have heard in a while.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
You do realize you are arguing against doing God's teachings.

And you don't know these adults are sitting and doing nothing.

It's as if anytime helping others is mentioned, you want to run them down.

Why is that?

And you may know the Bible cover to cover. But it is useless if you don't live it.

No, we are not. These are not needy widows and orphans. They are perfectly capable people able to do their own damn chores.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

lilyofcourse wrote:
Who says they are not doing for themselves?

Would it be different if it were a shelter for battered women? Or if it were a hospital?

The point is not to keep the migrants from having to do anything.

The point is teaching that serving others is honorable.

Women in those shelter do change their own sheets and have to on a regular basis if they want to stay in the shelter, it is part about teaching them to take care of themselves and children. People in hospitals are sick and can't change the linens.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

So it's just the sheet changing that is a sticking point?

So folding laundry is ok?

Sweeping, mopping, cooking and cleaning is ok? Even if it means cleaning bathrooms.

But to take a sheet off of a bed and put a clean one on is a sticking point?

And the article said asylum system. So I'm thinking large area with rows of single beds.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You do realize you are arguing against doing God's teachings.

And you don't know these adults are sitting and doing nothing.

It's as if anytime helping others is mentioned, you want to run them down.

Why is that?

And you may know the Bible cover to cover. But it is useless if you don't live it.
No, we are not. These are not needy widows and orphans. They are perfectly capable people able to do their own damn chores.

And I am not saying otherwise.

But that doesn't change what I said. What the Bible says.

Love your neighbor. Treat others with compassion. Serve others as if you are serving God.

It doesn't have the catch word "unless" attached to it.

We simply do not know these people are doing nothing.

Chances are this will be a learning opportunity for everyone involved.

The migrants learn customs, language and make a few friends. The kids learn gratitude, humility and they make a few friends.

I just don't see what the big deal is.

That is, unless a person thinks their child is too good, better than the ones they would be helping.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
You do realize you are arguing against doing God's teachings.

And you don't know these adults are sitting and doing nothing.

It's as if anytime helping others is mentioned, you want to run them down.

Why is that?

And you may know the Bible cover to cover. But it is useless if you don't live it.
No, we are not. These are not needy widows and orphans. They are perfectly capable people able to do their own damn chores.
And I am not saying otherwise.
But that doesn't change what I said. What the Bible says.
Love your neighbor. Treat others with compassion. Serve others as if you are serving God.
It doesn't have the catch word "unless" attached to it.
We simply do not know these people are doing nothing.
Chances are this will be a learning opportunity for everyone involved.
The migrants learn customs, language and make a few friends. The kids learn gratitude, humility and they make a few friends.
I just don't see what the big deal is.
That is, unless a person thinks their child is too good, better than the ones they would be helping.

And you are ignoring all the verses Gaga has posted. You've also ignored all the news reports of rape and child abuse in these camps. You can send your child, mine would NOT be going.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Not ignoring any of it.

They verses don't fit. Because they are about being lazy and not preparing or staying vigilant.

The story of the virgins is about staying ready for God's return.

And in no part of the article does it say these people sit and do nothing.

That is an assumption.

As for the articles, I am sure some of those places are terrible. Perhaps that is part of the lesson.

I highly doubt there would be no supervision.

If it is done as a class, I doubt they would be anywhere alone.