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Q. Relationship With Son’s Ex: Our son had a longtime childhood friend, Jane, and they started dating in high school. Jane’s mother died when she was young and her father was neglectful due to alcohol abuse. We helped Jane get her driver’s license, paid for her college applications, and she occasionally lived with us. We grew very close to her and she considers us adoptive parents. Now, after six years together, our son has broken up with Jane after getting involved with another girl at their college. Jane is devastated, and so are we! My wife and I want to keep our promises to Jane—namely that we would help finance her books and dorm costs and that she could stay with us during school breaks, as her father is homeless. Our son insists we stop all contact with Jane now that they’ve broken up because he doesn’t want to see her and wants to feel free to bring his new girlfriend around. I can’t in good faith leave a young adult we’ve parented for years in the lurch, but we’re reaching an impasse with our son and he’s now angry with us. What should we do?
A: What a tragic situation, and how kind of you to step up and fill the breach in this hurting young person’s life. If only Jane had been your son’s dear friend, and not his girlfriend, this would be so much easier. It was essentially destined that this high school romance wouldn’t last, and now it hasn’t. You have obligations to two young people. First, to your son. Yes, you can be sad he and Jane broke up, but that’s normal, that happens, and you cannot put the weight of the world on him for wanting to move on from his high school girlfriend. You also can’t tell your son that when he comes home during the holidays his former girlfriend will be there. However, you can’t abandon her. So this is a very tricky needle to thread. First, try to establish some nondevastated communication with your son. Tell him that you understand that high school romances end and you are excited to meet his new girlfriend. Then explain all of you are in a difficult position because you, as adults, feel a moral and financial obligation to Jane. Explain you and his mother are going to do your best to discharge that without ever making him feel as if he’s done something wrong by breaking up. Say that you will not do anything behind his back, but you and his mother also want to help Jane move forward. She is alone in the world, and you two want to help her be less so. Then you and your wife need to have some talks with Jane. Surely, a girl who’s been through what she has needs counseling—not just to get over your son, but to get on with her life. She needs a larger network than the two of you. Maybe she can spend holidays with a roommate or a friend—while also visiting you two during, say, a short school break when your son is not planning to come home. You can tell her what you plan to do as far as financial support is concerned, but you two also need some counseling on how best to help her. Maybe, with Jane’s permission, you can talk to the dean of students on her behalf and explain her situation and that she needs attention and aid. But first, re-establish good relations with your son and some ground rules that honor his needs, while helping him see that his parents can help Jane without him feeling emotionally burdened.
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The Principle of Least Interest: He who cares least about a relationship, controls it.
This is why I am against parents getting involved in teen relationships. Very rarely are kids going to stay together.
A CW was in this position and when her son was done with the girl she had to ask her to leave. Luckily she was in college and working and was able to find something.
I think it would be nice to help her find arrangements and be friends with her....but their son should come first....and he is allowed to break up with someone.
“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
Yep. He made the choices that put him in this situation. And he should certainly NOT be bringing new girlfriend home during the school holidays.
Pretty much agree with that too. I'd be like, "So where is your g/f gonna stay?"
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
We don't know that the son did anything wrong. It's normal for him to want to date in college. I think they should try and find a compromise and help her but the son has a right to move on from his HS girlfriend. Doesn't make him an Arse.
Yep. He made the choices that put him in this situation. And he should certainly NOT be bringing new girlfriend home during the school holidays.
That is BS. Just because his parents had him virtually married off in high school that means he has to stay in that relationship forever and he can never move on?
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
We don't know that the son did anything wrong. It's normal for him to want to date in college. I think they should try and find a compromise and help her but the son has a right to move on from his HS girlfriend. Doesn't make him an Arse.
Yeah. It's BS to expect that he stay in his high school relationship forever just because his parents want him to.
It's his parent's home--not his ex's.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't think the parents had him "married off". Nor do I think the parents expected him to stay with her forever. Unfortunately this is a unique situation. The girl absolutely IS for all intents and purposes, their daughter. They can't just kick her out because their son feels uncomfortable bringing new girls around.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
We don't know that the son did anything wrong. It's normal for him to want to date in college. I think they should try and find a compromise and help her but the son has a right to move on from his HS girlfriend. Doesn't make him an Arse.
This, I knew a family who made their daughter's boyfriend a part of the family, they bought him a car,clothes, took him on family vacations, moved him in with them since he too had a horrible home life. The last year they were together the dd looked miserable . At Christmas he hinted that she may be getting a ring she busted into tears. Her mom was laughing about it but I felt sorry for her.
She wanted to break up but didn't want to be the jerk who ruined a good thing for her bf. After she finely got the nerve to break up they still tried to keep him part of the family but it did not work. She wanted to go on with her life but bf made it hard for her and her mother kept pushing her to get back together with bf.
Well the son has to understand that he brought this girl into the family and they can't just abandon her because his life has changed. He has to accept that his actions has consequences and, in this case, those consequences are that he has to consider her feelings w/r to any new girl he wants to bring home on school breaks. The girl will move on eventually but in the meant time she too has to try to consider his feelings as far as other girls. It's tough for everyone. I think he is being selfish. The parents do need to help the girl move on and become independent but that won't happen until she is done with college.
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Sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug.
We don't know that the son did anything wrong. It's normal for him to want to date in college. I think they should try and find a compromise and help her but the son has a right to move on from his HS girlfriend. Doesn't make him an Arse.
Yeah. It's BS to expect that he stay in his high school relationship forever just because his parents want him to.
It's his parent's home--not his ex's.
Yes, it's his parents' home. If they want to have the ex there - then that is their choice, not his.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
This is a tough one. I can understand how they have become attached to her. On the other hand, they can't expect their son to not be true to himself. And, I think their son should be able to feel comfortable to bring his new girlfriend home. And, I can understand why he doesn't want to come home and see her there. However, the parents have also made an emotional and financial investment in her. But, ultimately, I think I would have to just ask her to come when he is not around. I would explain to him that I plan to maintain a relationship with her as well. But, I would want to give my son some space and vice versa.
This is a tough one. I can understand how they have become attached to her. On the other hand, they can't expect their son to not be true to himself. And, I think their son should be able to feel comfortable to bring his new girlfriend home. And, I can understand why he doesn't want to come home and see her there. However, the parents have also made an emotional and financial investment in her. But, ultimately, I think I would have to just ask her to come when he is not around. I would explain to him that I plan to maintain a relationship with her as well. But, I would want to give my son some space and vice versa.
We are talking about school holidays here. Neither of them live there full time anymore. We all have to spend time with people we don't want to on occasion at the holidays. And the fact of the matter is that it is not fair to expect his parents to move on from this girl simply because he wants to. He's going to have to learn to cope with it. Time to grow up.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I think Prudie's advice is good. Their son should come first, but they can't leave this girl in the lurch. Son should be able to date whomever he pleases, and this certainly is a delicate situation.
Well the son has to understand that he brought this girl into the family and they can't just abandon her because his life has changed. He has to accept that his actions has consequences and, in this case, those consequences are that he has to consider her feelings w/r to any new girl he wants to bring home on school breaks. The girl will move on eventually but in the meant time she too has to try to consider his feelings as far as other girls. It's tough for everyone. I think he is being selfish. The parents do need to help the girl move on and become independent but that won't happen until she is done with college.
You put into words what was rolling around in my brain but I couldn't articulate.
I understand that this young couple broke up but I would think the son would have some compassion for his childhood friend & HS love. Hopefully with a little time he will come to see her as an old friend & not want her cut off completely.
They've practically adopted her. To expect his parents to put her out is unreasonable.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
He should not be expected to date her forever. But it is unreasonable on his part to expect his parents to cut her loose.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
He grew up with her living in the house, almost as his sister.
But it's not his sister. She isn't their daughter.
Family is what you make it. They treat her as a daughter and they don't have to stop because the son wants them to.
Maybe not--but to expect that he never get another girlfriend and never bring her home is beyond unreasonable.
If shes a daughter--then they've been encouraging incest.
I would not want my kids bringing home every person they decide to date for the holidays. There is absolutely no reason for this girlfriend to be staying at their house until they know it is serious enough. Casual boyfriends/girlfriends don't make the cut.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
He grew up with her living in the house, almost as his sister.
But it's not his sister. She isn't their daughter.
Family is what you make it. They treat her as a daughter and they don't have to stop because the son wants them to.
Maybe not--but to expect that he never get another girlfriend and never bring her home is beyond unreasonable.
If shes a daughter--then they've been encouraging incest.
I would not want my kids bringing home every person they decide to date for the holidays. There is absolutely no reason for this girlfriend to be staying at their house until they know it is serious enough. Casual boyfriends/girlfriends don't make the cut.
Sparkly didn't come over the first year they were dating. They started dating in August and they spent the second Thanksgiving and Christmas with us. We down played it also because we didn't know how he would take it. This is the third year (holiday wise) they are together and he is part of the family now. They are also living together now though.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
They've practically adopted her. To expect his parents to put her out is unreasonable.
To expect him to stay with her forever is also unreasonable. They don't get to choose his mate for him.
He doesn't have to stay with her. But he will have to put up with her presence.
Well no, he doesnt' have to "put up with it". He may just choose to not go home at all and maybe go to GF's house instead. It isn't unreasonable for him to want to come home and be with his parents whom are his parents. But, I don't think they should toss her to the curb either, but I think they need to face the reality that they are not a couple.
They've practically adopted her. To expect his parents to put her out is unreasonable.
To expect him to stay with her forever is also unreasonable. They don't get to choose his mate for him.
He doesn't have to stay with her. But he will have to put up with her presence.
Well no, he doesnt' have to "put up with it". He may just choose to not go home at all and maybe go to GF's house instead. It isn't unreasonable for him to want to come home and be with his parents whom are his parents. But, I don't think they should toss her to the curb either, but I think they need to face the reality that they are not a couple.
I think the parents HAVE accepted that they are not a couple. It says they're devastated they're broken up but it doesn't say they want them to get back together. They only say that they consider her like a daughter too.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
No he doesn't. But the parents do and it's their home. If you don't like the rules in your parents home get your own.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
It's their home. They can do what they want. They can say "Tough taters, she is here to stay, we love her and if you come home she is going to be here". Then, he can decide what he wants to do either way. Or they can tell her that they need some time alone to spend with their son and she will have to go else where. It's there home. They can choose either.
It's their home. They can do what they want. They can say "Tough taters, she is here to stay, we love her and if you come home she is going to be here". Then, he can decide what he wants to do either way. Or they can tell her that they need some time alone to spend with their son and she will have to go else where. It's there home. They can choose either.
That pretty much sums it up!
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
And I keep hearing people say it's the parents money until they die.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
BTW, what about spending HIS in inheritance on paying for her college? How is that "fair"?
He doesn't have an inheritance - his parents are alive.
Then, they can spend it who they want and nobody is entitled to it? COrrect?
Correct!
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou