DEAR ABBY: My wife and I have been married 16 years. We have three boys, ages 12, 6 and 2. My 6-year-old doesn't sleep in his bed. He sleeps on the couch. My wife sleeps in a recliner in the den. The 2-year-old usually sleeps with her. Sometimes he sleeps in a crib in our room. I sleep by myself in a king-size bed.
There is no possibility for romance. The only time there can be is when my wife comes to bed. If this happens, I know something is going to take place, but I have no chance to initiate. Our sex life is totally up to her. Once a month or so is fine with her, but not for me.
I have told her how I feel about our "sleeping arrangements," but nothing has changed. I know I snore, but she has not complained about it keeping her awake or used it as an excuse.
Our 6-year-old will not sleep in his bed as long as his mother sleeps in the recliner. The longer this goes on, the harder it will be to get him in his bed. Do you have any advice on what I should do or say about this situation? -- SLEEPING SOLO IN THE SOUTH
DEAR SLEEPING SOLO: Obviously this arrangement isn't working for you. Unless you want to live the rest of your life this way, you are complaining to the wrong woman.
Your wife is doing the children no favors by allowing these unorthodox sleeping arrangements. It's time to lay your cards on the table with her. Tell her you need some straight answers about why she's unwilling to share your bed. But if her answers are not forthcoming, marriage counseling may be necessary to improve your level of communication.
Let the kid sleep on the couch. It doesn't hurt a thing.
The question is, why is the wife not sleeping in the bedroom?
Maybe he does snore. Maybe she is more comfortable for whatever physical reason in the recliner. Maybe he is over thinking it.
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He says if is wife comes to bed, he knows sex is going to happen. Maybe he expects sex every night if she sleeps in the bed, and that's too much for her.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
He says if is wife comes to bed, he knows sex is going to happen. Maybe he expects sex every night if she sleeps in the bed, and that's too much for her.
I think that's part of it.
The whole situation is messed up on so many levels.
He says if is wife comes to bed, he knows sex is going to happen. Maybe he expects sex every night if she sleeps in the bed, and that's too much for her.
He said she comes to bed once a month and initiates sex. He has no say in the matter, it's all under her control.
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He says if is wife comes to bed, he knows sex is going to happen. Maybe he expects sex every night if she sleeps in the bed, and that's too much for her.
He said she comes to bed once a month and initiates sex. He has no say in the matter, it's all under her control.
That may be the way she controls it. It's probably easier than rejecting his advances in bed and having to argue about not being in the mood.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Maybe if he gets a babysitter and take his wife to dinner and maybe communicate his feelings about her sleeping on the chair and to listen to her about her feelings would help.
Seriously - they have a 16 year old, a six year old and a TWO year old. She's probably pretty wiped out - that's a huge age difference, so she had that last baby at an older age. How much does he help with the care of the kids, especially the baby?
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Seriously - they have a 16 year old, a six year old and a TWO year old. She's probably pretty wiped out - that's a huge age difference, so she had that last baby at an older age. How much does he help with the care of the kids, especially the baby?
No, they are 12, 6, and 2...
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My husband snores really bad. We start in bed together, but I almost always end up in the twin sized bed in Gordito's room. Gordito is still in a crib. DH is going in for a sleep study on his next hiatus to see if we can help with his snoring.
Seriously - they have a 16 year old, a six year old and a TWO year old. She's probably pretty wiped out - that's a huge age difference, so she had that last baby at an older age. How much does he help with the care of the kids, especially the baby?
No, they are 12, 6, and 2...
Ah well, what's a little dyslexia in the morning? Still a big gap - does he help?
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
My husband snores really bad. We start in bed together, but I almost always end up in the twin sized bed in Gordito's room. Gordito is still in a crib. DH is going in for a sleep study on his next hiatus to see if we can help with his snoring.
I prize my sleep over sharing a bed all night.
My DH snores, too. It has gotten worse as he gets older. Before kids, I could tune it out if I was asleep first, but after kids - I wake up at the slightest sound. We should have bought a house with connecting master suites because on bad nights, one of us has to leave the bed.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
There are times when it is the only place I can get my legs to stop hurting.
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I am not ready to hang it all on the sex issue. I would like to know some more information before I guessed.
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A lot of if may simply be that, that is where she falls asleep and it's comfortable.
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My ex slept on the sofa every night. He hated my bed & couldn't sleep there. Before he moved in he slept on his sofa every night so it was no big deal.
It may not be him. Does she have any anxiety issues in regards to the kids? Is she having physical issues that make sex uncomfortable? Could be a lot of things that have nothing to do with him. Or, maybe it does. Take her out for dinner and have a talk as Lindley said.
He says if is wife comes to bed, he knows sex is going to happen. Maybe he expects sex every night if she sleeps in the bed, and that's too much for her.
Then she needs to discuss that, not be passive-aggressive by unilaterally making other sleeping arrangements.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
He says if is wife comes to bed, he knows sex is going to happen. Maybe he expects sex every night if she sleeps in the bed, and that's too much for her.
Then she needs to discuss that, not be passive-aggressive by unilaterally making other sleeping arrangements.
I don't disagree, but maybe she has tried and he didn't listen.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Maybe she has kids who don't go to bed easily and she doesn't have the energy at the end of the day to fix it, so she is just doing what she can to get by for now, and if both the kids will go to sleep without trouble in the living room with her, so be it.
I don't agree with it but I understand being too tired at the end of the day and just wanting to get to sleep.
Maybe she has kids who don't go to bed easily and she doesn't have the energy at the end of the day to fix it, so she is just doing what she can to get by for now, and if both the kids will go to sleep without trouble in the living room with her, so be it.
I don't agree with it but I understand being too tired at the end of the day and just wanting to get to sleep.
I made this mistake when I was a single mom. I was exhausted at the end of the day. I got tired of fighting the bedtime thing. It was easier to let them sleep with me than to have a big bedtime fight. I ended up never getting a decent nights sleep because of it. Oh well, lessons learned and all...
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she's sounds depressed and rightfully so--also, believe he could be more understanding and supportive in raising the children and by helping her perhaps become more dialed in to HER life
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she's sounds depressed and rightfully so--also, believe he could be more understanding and supportive in raising the children and by helping her perhaps become more dialed in to HER life
How so? She's ignoring his input in bedtime arrangements. We don't know that he isn't doing his share in raising the children.
He undoubtedly wants to be more dialed in to her life--but she won't even sleep with him.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I don't think there's enough information in the letter to determine good advice.
Separately, once the sleeping arrangement is figured out, I do think that it would be better if he had some opportunities to initiate sex with his wife. Once a month, at her whim, and that's it? That's not going to keep a happy marriage going.
If he thinks it's his snoring, he needs to let his wife know that it's safe to be honest with him rather than her saying it's not his snoring. Perhaps she's tried to bring up his snoring in the past and he got mad at her for doing so.
Snoring doesn't bother me. DH, DS, and I all snore. DH does have apnea but refuses to wear his CPAP mask. DH calls my snores cute. DS ... well, I'm partially deaf and can hear him. When DH and I started spending nights together, MIL asked how I could stand sleeping right next to him because his snoring would wake her up even though she's in her room. I don't hear his snoring unless it's extra loud or I'm having an insomnia night. It wakes me up when he doesn't snore.
I remember pawpaw saying he didn't mind granny's snoring as long as he got to sleep before she did.
My goodness that woman could snore. Like grizzly bear. It would scare me something awful when I spent the night.
Jesse moans in his sleep. He sounds like an old cow.
I can hear him down the hall through 2 closed doors.
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she's sounds depressed and rightfully so--also, believe he could be more understanding and supportive in raising the children and by helping her perhaps become more dialed in to HER life
How so? She's ignoring his input in bedtime arrangements. We don't know that he isn't doing his share in raising the children.
He undoubtedly wants to be more dialed in to her life--but she won't even sleep with him.
Yes. And if the husband were doing this, he would be hogged tied and quartered, lol.
Do you think she's limiting sex to once a month because of snoring? I don't think so.
I think she's not sleeping with him because of the snoring. I think the sex thing has more to do with not even thinking about it b/c she's tired from taking care of kids and everything else.
This might shock you, but not everyone things about sex 24/7.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Do you think she's limiting sex to once a month because of snoring? I don't think so.
I think she's not sleeping with him because of the snoring. I think the sex thing has more to do with not even thinking about it b/c she's tired from taking care of kids and everything else.
This might shock you, but not everyone things about sex 24/7.
But that's an issue they need to work out between them, not her unilaterally deciding how it will be.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Do you think she's limiting sex to once a month because of snoring? I don't think so.
I think she's not sleeping with him because of the snoring. I think the sex thing has more to do with not even thinking about it b/c she's tired from taking care of kids and everything else.
This might shock you, but not everyone things about sex 24/7.
But that's an issue they need to work out between them, not her unilaterally deciding how it will be.
News flash. Wives have the right to not have sex on demand.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Do you think she's limiting sex to once a month because of snoring? I don't think so.
I think she's not sleeping with him because of the snoring. I think the sex thing has more to do with not even thinking about it b/c she's tired from taking care of kids and everything else.
This might shock you, but not everyone things about sex 24/7.
But that's an issue they need to work out between them, not her unilaterally deciding how it will be.
News flash. Wives have the right to not have sex on demand.
Sounds like he was asking (not demanding), she was consistently refusing, and eventually he gave up.
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Do you think she's limiting sex to once a month because of snoring? I don't think so.
I think she's not sleeping with him because of the snoring. I think the sex thing has more to do with not even thinking about it b/c she's tired from taking care of kids and everything else.
This might shock you, but not everyone things about sex 24/7.
But that's an issue they need to work out between them, not her unilaterally deciding how it will be.
News flash. Wives have the right to not have sex on demand.
Sounds like he was asking (not demanding), she was consistently refusing, and eventually he gave up.
That is complete speculation on your part. His complaint is that she is sleeping in another room so he doesn't get to initiate sex. How about this, dude, YOU go take care of the kids for a few nights and deal with their sleep issues instead of just telling your wife to do it. Maybe with a few good nights sleep alone in bed, she'd have more energy.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Do you think she's limiting sex to once a month because of snoring? I don't think so.
I think she's not sleeping with him because of the snoring. I think the sex thing has more to do with not even thinking about it b/c she's tired from taking care of kids and everything else.
This might shock you, but not everyone things about sex 24/7.
But that's an issue they need to work out between them, not her unilaterally deciding how it will be.
News flash. Wives have the right to not have sex on demand.
Sounds like he was asking (not demanding), she was consistently refusing, and eventually he gave up.
That is complete speculation on your part. His complaint is that she is sleeping in another room so he doesn't get to initiate sex. How about this, dude, YOU go take care of the kids for a few nights and deal with their sleep issues instead of just telling your wife to do it. Maybe with a few good nights sleep alone in bed, she'd have more energy.
That's certainly worth trying. What if he does this and nothing changes?
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DH used to snore. Until I put allergy casings on our mattress and pillows. Even when he did, it didn't bother me. I can sleep through anything. Just a week or two ago I slept through my son throwing up in the middle of the night. I could never nap when the boys napped because I wouldn't wake up when/if they needed me. The boys have learned that if I'm asleep, they have to come in and shake me to wake me and even then, I can't guarantee.
There could be a number of reasons this woman does not want to sleep in her bed. But I agree, he needs to talk to her about it and find out why.