TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Media Ignore Horrors of Michigan Abortionist Under Investigation

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Now, let's get back to our regularly scheduled abortion discussion!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Sounds like a nice guy!

ed11563 · Guru

You know what the call the person who graduates last in their class in Medical School?

Domestic Engineer · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
You know what the call the person who graduates last in their class in Medical School?

Doctor...

WYSIWYG · Guru

There are also plastic surgeons that do their work in homes or other places that are "outside of a clinical setting" (to quote the OP). Does that mean all plastic surgeons are bad? No. It doesn't.

I'd be curious to find out why he does them "outside of a clinical setting". Is there a reason women acquire his services? Could it be due to laws requiring unnecessary wait times and unnecessary expensive extra consultations or procedures before one can be legally had are driving an underground and illegal need?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Really? You're defending him? This didn't happen just once.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I'm not defending him. I'm asking two things: (1) should all abortion doctors be associated with the actions of him? (2) what caused women to seek out his services?

In no way, shape, or form and I defending him. If you read that into my post then you must have been taking lessons from huskerbb.

WYSIWYG · Guru

My apologies. Looks like I made a typo. That last paragraph was supposed to read: "In no way, shape, or form am I defending him. If you read that into my post then you must have been taking lessons from huskerbb."

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.

How much notice or preparation is needed if a woman is not pregnant, is bleeding non-stop, and her GYN wants her to have a D&C?

If the doctor's schedule has time to do it immediately, is there a reason to wait?

"NJN, we can do it in 15 minutes, or we can schedule it for later in the week and get you a blood transfusion today. What's your choice?"

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.
How much notice or preparation is needed if a woman is not pregnant, is bleeding non-stop, and her GYN wants her to have a D&C?
If the doctor's schedule has time to do it immediately, is there a reason to wait?

"NJN, we can do it in 15 minutes, or we can schedule it for later in the week and get you a blood transfusion today. What's your choice?"

This is a stupid comparison. Abortion is not emergency surgery. Please just stop.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.
How much notice or preparation is needed if a woman is not pregnant, is bleeding non-stop, and her GYN wants her to have a D&C?
If the doctor's schedule has time to do it immediately, is there a reason to wait?

"NJN, we can do it in 15 minutes, or we can schedule it for later in the week and get you a blood transfusion today. What's your choice?"

This is a stupid comparison. Abortion is not emergency surgery. Please just stop.

There are deadlines.

And a D&C is exactly what is done in many early abortions. So MEDICALLY the decision about timing is no different.

Ethically, morally, clearly it's a different decision. But the timing, demanding delays, is purely driven by religious beliefs.

I believe in the separation of Church and State, and many others seem to agree EXCEPT when it involves reproduction.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.

In some areas, a woman might live 50 or 100 miles from a legal abortion clinic, so waiting might mean paying for a motel room she can't afford, or taking a second all day round trip on Greyhound.

Because someone else thinks she's not smart enough to decide for herself.

ed11563 · Guru

"they found inside “14 containers of human tissue, possibly fetuses,"

I can't imagine any rational reason why he would have kept this.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.
In some areas, a woman might live 50 or 100 miles from a legal abortion clinic, so waiting might mean paying for a motel room she can't afford, or taking a second all day round trip on Greyhound.
Because someone else thinks she's not smart enough to decide for herself.

Oh well.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.
How much notice or preparation is needed if a woman is not pregnant, is bleeding non-stop, and her GYN wants her to have a D&C?
If the doctor's schedule has time to do it immediately, is there a reason to wait?

"NJN, we can do it in 15 minutes, or we can schedule it for later in the week and get you a blood transfusion today. What's your choice?"

This is a stupid comparison. Abortion is not emergency surgery. Please just stop.
There are deadlines.
And a D&C is exactly what is done in many early abortions. So MEDICALLY the decision about timing is no different.
Ethically, morally, clearly it's a different decision. But the timing, demanding delays, is purely driven by religious beliefs.
I believe in the separation of Church and State, and many others seem to agree EXCEPT when it involves reproduction.

I had a D&C. Miscarried at 14 weeks. Had to wait 4 days to have it done. It wasn't an emergency, so I had to go through the regular scheduling at the hospital. There is rarely a reason for an emergency D&C.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.
In some areas, a woman might live 50 or 100 miles from a legal abortion clinic, so waiting might mean paying for a motel room she can't afford, or taking a second all day round trip on Greyhound.
Because someone else thinks she's not smart enough to decide for herself.

Where else can you walk into a place and have elective surgery immediately? No where. This procedure should not be ANY different.

Lindley · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Well, since abortion is legal in all states if a woman is doing it illegally then that's on her. Yes, there are some things women have to do in order to get an abortion. No, I don't feel bad that certain things are required of them before they have a surgical procedure. If I have any kind of surgical procedure my doctor is going to ask me to do some routine things like blood work. I don't see the prerequisites for abortion to be any different. Every woman should be fully informed of what she is about to do. And if she can't handle that and ends up having an illegal abortion then again, that's on her. I don't have the option of not doing blood work for surgery. Why should abortion be any different? Doctors rarely do same day surgery unless it's an emergency. I don't know why people think abortion should be so special.

Abortion is the only procedure that has become politicized. The only medical procedure that they push for a minor to be able to get without the parents knowledge even though you cannot even give a asprin without parent consent.

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:

Where else can you walk into a place and have elective surgery immediately? No where. This procedure should not be ANY different.

Dentist's office, dermatologist, podiatrist... some things in an orthopedist's office,

probably more.

Plastic surgeon's office. Ear nose and throat doctor's office. General Practitioner's office.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

Where else can you walk into a place and have elective surgery immediately? No where. This procedure should not be ANY different.
Dentist's office, dermatologist, podiatrist... some things in an orthopedist's office,
probably more.
Plastic surgeon's office. Ear nose and throat doctor's office. General Practitioner's office.

You're delusional. NONE of those perform surgery on walk-ins.

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:

Where else can you walk into a place and have elective surgery immediately? No where. This procedure should not be ANY different.
Dentist's office, dermatologist, podiatrist... some things in an orthopedist's office,
probably more.
Plastic surgeon's office. Ear nose and throat doctor's office. General Practitioner's office.
You're delusional. NONE of those perform surgery on walk-ins.

Really? Has a dentist ever taken care of a filling the first time s/he saw it? Mine routinely do, unless they want the insurance company to pre-certify it.

I showed my dermatologist a "birthmark" I didn't like, he said "It's nothing", I said "I want it gone." 5 minutes later it was gone. That involved a local anesthetic and a scalpel.

When I was a kid, my mother took me to an ENT for headaches, he said my sinuses were clogged. He took a LONG cotton swab and stuck it up my nose into a couple of chambers WAY UP in my head... (Yes, if you're asking, I did survive.)

Sure, there are things that should be done in a hospital, but a D&C is not one of them. And certainly RU486 doesn't have to be taken in a hospital either.

http://www.abortionpillrx.com/RU486.html

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed - those are not comparable. People can DIE from abortions, and even from taking RU486.

Ohfour · Hooker

And in all of those instances, you walked into the office and had it done? Without an appointment?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 21st of October 2015 11:33:14 AM

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
And in all of those instances, you walked into the office and had it done? Without an appointment?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 21st of October 2015 11:33:14 AM

When I make appointments they generally don't ask what me what they will be doing.

I almost never walk in without an appointment, except at the "Doc in a Box" or urgent care places, because they don't take appointments.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
And in all of those instances, you walked into the office and had it done? Without an appointment?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 21st of October 2015 11:33:14 AM
When I make appointments they generally don't ask what me what they will be doing.
I almost never walk in without an appointment, except at the "Doc in a Box" or urgent care places, because they don't take appointments.

Exactly. And yet, you think a 15 year old girl should be able to walk into a clinic and have a surgical procedure done without any background info or anything.

Got it.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't understand how some people think you have to move a mountain to get your gallbladder taken out but you should be able to go to any old doc in the box, spread your legs, and have a surgical procedure wherein you remove an actual possible life from your uterus.

When the little girl that we watch Mom had her gallbladder go bad it was next to impossible for her to schedule a surgery date. Even with x-rays showing it needed to come out. When my appendix almost ruptured it took days of trips back and forth to the doctor to get it removed.

But hell, if you need an abortion just go run right on over and do it.

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
And in all of those instances, you walked into the office and had it done? Without an appointment?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 21st of October 2015 11:33:14 AM
When I make appointments they generally don't ask what me what they will be doing.
I almost never walk in without an appointment, except at the "Doc in a Box" or urgent care places, because they don't take appointments.

Exactly. And yet, you think a 15 year old girl should be able to walk into a clinic and have a surgical procedure done without any background info or anything.

Got it.

I'm sure they will want to know what medications she's taking. Like, if she's taking an anticoagulant, they would need to know that. But they don't need that information days ahead of time.

And if a dermatologist wants to take off a skin growth, all they need to know is that it's there.

But 15 year olds generally have a parent with them at the dermatologist. But not necessarily.

The main reason to have a parent or guardian with a teenager at a doctor's office is to make sure the bill will be paid. If a kid shows up with cash, I can't imaging a dentist saying "come back with your mommy, then I'll fill that cavity. "

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Seriously, I've got to make a surgery appointment to remove a simple sub-cutaneous cyst from my head.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't understand how some people think you have to move a mountain to get your gallbladder taken out but you should be able to go to any old doc in the box, spread your legs, and have a surgical procedure wherein you remove an actual possible life from your uterus.

When the little girl that we watch Mom had her gallbladder go bad it was next to impossible for her to schedule a surgery date. Even with x-rays showing it needed to come out. When my appendix almost ruptured it took days of trips back and forth to the doctor to get it removed.

But hell, if you need an abortion just go run right on over and do it.

or buy RU486 online.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

No, the main reason kids need a parent with them is NOT for money. It's because they 1. Don't always make good decisions on their own. and 2. They often don't understand the gravity of things being done to them.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Seriously, I've got to make a surgery appointment to remove a simple sub-cutaneous cyst from my head.

Call my dermatologist, they will probably take care of it this afternoon or tomorrow.

Unless there is an insurance issue?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
No, the main reason kids need a parent with them is NOT for money. It's because they 1. Don't always make good decisions on their own. and 2. They often don't understand the gravity of things being done to them.

And 3 - if there are complications, their parents should know what the hell to look for.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
And in all of those instances, you walked into the office and had it done? Without an appointment?

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 21st of October 2015 11:33:14 AM
When I make appointments they generally don't ask what me what they will be doing.
I almost never walk in without an appointment, except at the "Doc in a Box" or urgent care places, because they don't take appointments.

Exactly. And yet, you think a 15 year old girl should be able to walk into a clinic and have a surgical procedure done without any background info or anything.

Got it.
I'm sure they will want to know what medications she's taking. Like, if she's taking an anticoagulant, they would need to know that. But they don't need that information days ahead of time.
And if a dermatologist wants to take off a skin growth, all they need to know is that it's there.
But 15 year olds generally have a parent with them at the dermatologist. But not necessarily.
The main reason to have a parent or guardian with a teenager at a doctor's office is to make sure the bill will be paid. If a kid shows up with cash, I can't imaging a dentist saying "come back with your mommy, then I'll fill that cavity. "

Wrong. I don't know a dentist that will do anything to a minor without a parent present. We had to be there when our kids teeth got cleaned. They could have driven themselves, but we were required to be in the office. Our insurance is on file...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Seriously, I've got to make a surgery appointment to remove a simple sub-cutaneous cyst from my head.
Call my dermatologist, they will probably take care of it this afternoon or tomorrow.
Unless there is an insurance issue?

I can call MY dermatologist. I went to an office visit for the damn thing and was told when it really started to bother me, make a surgery appointment. So, no - they don't just do everything on demand. To have a mole biopsied - they made a surgery appointment, they didn't do it at the office visit. So, if I have to go back for that, people getting abortions having to go back doesn't really make me sypathetic.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Seriously, I've got to make a surgery appointment to remove a simple sub-cutaneous cyst from my head.
Call my dermatologist, they will probably take care of it this afternoon or tomorrow.
Unless there is an insurance issue?

Good point. Teenagers think they're invincible.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Seriously, I've got to make a surgery appointment to remove a simple sub-cutaneous cyst from my head.
Call my dermatologist, they will probably take care of it this afternoon or tomorrow.
Unless there is an insurance issue?

I can call MY dermatologist. I went to an office visit for the damn thing and was told when it really started to bother me, make a surgery appointment. So, no - they don't just do everything on demand. To have a mole biopsied - they made a surgery appointment, they didn't do it at the office visit. So, if I have to go back for that, people getting abortions having to go back doesn't really make me sypathetic.

If they make you wait two weeks, or two days, to have a suspicious mole biopsied, and it come up positive and it's metastasized you won't be happy to have waited.

My sister's GYN told her to wait to have her breast lump biopsied. It killed her.

They told you to wait until it bothers you? They're idiots, you need a better doctor. CLEARLY it already bothers you.

And they want you to make a surgery appointment WHY????

Probably because they will make more money that way. Insurance companies usually don't pay for both an office visit and a procedure on the same day.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Seriously, I've got to make a surgery appointment to remove a simple sub-cutaneous cyst from my head.
Call my dermatologist, they will probably take care of it this afternoon or tomorrow.
Unless there is an insurance issue?

I can call MY dermatologist. I went to an office visit for the damn thing and was told when it really started to bother me, make a surgery appointment. So, no - they don't just do everything on demand. To have a mole biopsied - they made a surgery appointment, they didn't do it at the office visit. So, if I have to go back for that, people getting abortions having to go back doesn't really make me sypathetic.
If they make you wait two weeks, or two days, to have a suspicious mole biopsied, and it come up positive and it's metastasized you won't be happy to have waited.
My sister's GYN told her to wait to have her breast lump biopsied. It killed her.
They told you to wait until it bothers you? They're idiots, you need a better doctor. CLEARLY it already bothers you.
And they want you to make a surgery appointment WHY????
Probably because they will make more money that way. Insurance companies usually don't pay for both an office visit and a procedure on the same day.

Hmmm...so you just made the point. It's almost impossible to get elective surgery on the first visit.

Thank you for helping prove our point.

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Seriously, I've got to make a surgery appointment to remove a simple sub-cutaneous cyst from my head.
Call my dermatologist, they will probably take care of it this afternoon or tomorrow.
Unless there is an insurance issue?

I can call MY dermatologist. I went to an office visit for the damn thing and was told when it really started to bother me, make a surgery appointment. So, no - they don't just do everything on demand. To have a mole biopsied - they made a surgery appointment, they didn't do it at the office visit. So, if I have to go back for that, people getting abortions having to go back doesn't really make me sypathetic.
If they make you wait two weeks, or two days, to have a suspicious mole biopsied, and it come up positive and it's metastasized you won't be happy to have waited.
My sister's GYN told her to wait to have her breast lump biopsied. It killed her.
They told you to wait until it bothers you? They're idiots, you need a better doctor. CLEARLY it already bothers you.
And they want you to make a surgery appointment WHY????
Probably because they will make more money that way. Insurance companies usually don't pay for both an office visit and a procedure on the same day.

Hmmm...so you just made the point. It's almost impossible to get elective surgery on the first visit.
Thank you for helping prove our point.

And yet I've never had a problem.

AND insurance issues don't apply to abortions, since it's a cash business.

Sorry, I think you're wrong.

And LL should get that taken care of immediately.

Ohfour · Hooker

You said Insurance Companies usually don't pay for a same day procedure.
And then you say, you've done it.
Which is it?

And why can my kids not get their teeth cleaned without me bring there, yet they can have an abortion.

My husband had skin cancer on his forehead. It took 2 weeks to get him into the surgical center. They may remove a little mole or something, but SURGERY, had to be scheduled and done in a different environment.

Comparing a dermatologist to an abortionist it just plain retarded...

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
You said Insurance Companies usually don't pay for a same day procedure.
And then you say, you've done it.
Which is it?
I may be more pushy than you are.

And why can my kids not get their teeth cleaned without me bring there, yet they can have an abortion.
Little kids behave better when Mommy is there to hold their hand, and dentists know this well. Also, when they find something that Mommy (or Mommy's insurance) will have to pay for, the decision maker has to be there.
A grown woman or a teenage girl with the money to pay for her abortion doesn't need someone else there to pay, and they are generally very cooperative.

My husband had skin cancer on his forehead. It took 2 weeks to get him into the surgical center. They may remove a little mole or something, but SURGERY, had to be scheduled and done in a different environment.
TWO WEEKS??? Who was on vacation? It could have been MUCH quicker if you called twice a day to find out whether there had been a cancellation. Or if it could be done at the end of the day TODAY. Your doctor IS part owner of the place, isn't he? (or she)? You have to be more pushy!

Comparing a dermatologist to an abortionist it just plain retarded...
Thanks, note that I've worked with more dermatologists than you have, and I've worked with a few (very few) abortionists.
Sometimes a dermatologist takes something out of a person's body, sometimes a gynecologist takes something out of a person's body.
Would you like to keep insulting my intelligence? Feel free, it doesn't help your argument.

Ohfour · Hooker

And why can my kids not get their teeth cleaned without me bring there, yet they can have an abortion.

Little kids behave better when Mommy is there to hold their hand, and dentists know this well. Also, when they find something that Mommy (or Mommy's insurance) will have to pay for, the decision maker has to be there.

A grown woman or a teenage girl with the money to pay for her abortion doesn't need someone else there to pay, and they are generally very cooperative.

I don't know of a dentist that will see a child under 18 without a parent there. It's a liability. No decisions need to be made, no paperwork needed to be signed. I just had to be in the office the entire time they were there.

Ohfour · Hooker

My husband had skin cancer on his forehead. It took 2 weeks to get him into the surgical center. They may remove a little mole or something, but SURGERY, had to be scheduled and done in a different environment.

TWO WEEKS??? Who was on vacation? It could have been MUCH quicker if you called twice a day to find out whether there had been a cancellation. Or if it could be done at the end of the day TODAY. Your doctor IS part owner of the place, isn't he? (or she)? You have to be more pushy!

It wasn't an emergency. Like an abortion isn't an emergency.

You keep putting your foot in your mouth. There is no reason a MINOR should consent to SURGERY. I'm not insulting your intelligence. You are doing a great job of that all by yourself...

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
My husband had skin cancer on his forehead. It took 2 weeks to get him into the surgical center. They may remove a little mole or something, but SURGERY, had to be scheduled and done in a different environment.

TWO WEEKS??? Who was on vacation? It could have been MUCH quicker if you called twice a day to find out whether there had been a cancellation. Or if it could be done at the end of the day TODAY. Your doctor IS part owner of the place, isn't he? (or she)? You have to be more pushy!

It wasn't an emergency. Like an abortion isn't an emergency.

You keep putting your foot in your mouth. There is no reason a MINOR should consent to SURGERY. I'm not insulting your intelligence. You are doing a great job of that all by yourself...

Did they know it wasn't malignant?

My mother's cancer was traced to a 2 mm tumor in her lung. It metastasized into a brain tumor.

I think, unless there is GOOD reason to think it's not metastatic, any waiting period is too long.

In my humble opinion. I'm sure my sister and my mother would agree with me, except that their cancers killed them so they're not talking.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
My husband had skin cancer on his forehead. It took 2 weeks to get him into the surgical center. They may remove a little mole or something, but SURGERY, had to be scheduled and done in a different environment.

TWO WEEKS??? Who was on vacation? It could have been MUCH quicker if you called twice a day to find out whether there had been a cancellation. Or if it could be done at the end of the day TODAY. Your doctor IS part owner of the place, isn't he? (or she)? You have to be more pushy!

It wasn't an emergency. Like an abortion isn't an emergency.

You keep putting your foot in your mouth. There is no reason a MINOR should consent to SURGERY. I'm not insulting your intelligence. You are doing a great job of that all by yourself...
Did they know it wasn't malignant?
My mother's cancer was traced to a 2 mm tumor in her lung. It metastasized into a brain tumor.
I think, unless there is GOOD reason to think it's not metastatic, any waiting period is too long.
In my humble opinion. I'm sure my sister and my mother would agree with me, except that their cancers killed them so they're not talking.

They knew it wasn't malignant about 5 days after the biopsy. They had to send it for testing. Took that long to get the test results back. Then they scheduled the surgery for 2 weeks after that.

Lindley · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
You said Insurance Companies usually don't pay for a same day procedure.
And then you say, you've done it.
Which is it?
I may be more pushy than you are.

And why can my kids not get their teeth cleaned without me bring there, yet they can have an abortion.
Little kids behave better when Mommy is there to hold their hand, and dentists know this well. Also, when they find something that Mommy (or Mommy's insurance) will have to pay for, the decision maker has to be there.
A grown woman or a teenage girl with the money to pay for her abortion doesn't need someone else there to pay, and they are generally very cooperative.

My husband had skin cancer on his forehead. It took 2 weeks to get him into the surgical center. They may remove a little mole or something, but SURGERY, had to be scheduled and done in a different environment.
TWO WEEKS??? Who was on vacation? It could have been MUCH quicker if you called twice a day to find out whether there had been a cancellation. Or if it could be done at the end of the day TODAY. Your doctor IS part owner of the place, isn't he? (or she)? You have to be more pushy!

Comparing a dermatologist to an abortionist it just plain retarded...
Thanks, note that I've worked with more dermatologists than you have, and I've worked with a few (very few) abortionists.
Sometimes a dermatologist takes something out of a person's body, sometimes a gynecologist takes something out of a person's body.
Would you like to keep insulting my intelligence? Feel free, it doesn't help your argument.

My kids doctors wouldn't see them without a parent till they were 18 years old. Abortion is a surgical procedure and the only reason a minor can have the procedure done because of political reasons not what is best for the teenage girl.

ed11563 · Guru

Lindley wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
You said Insurance Companies usually don't pay for a same day procedure.
And then you say, you've done it.
Which is it?
I may be more pushy than you are.

And why can my kids not get their teeth cleaned without me bring there, yet they can have an abortion.
Little kids behave better when Mommy is there to hold their hand, and dentists know this well. Also, when they find something that Mommy (or Mommy's insurance) will have to pay for, the decision maker has to be there.
A grown woman or a teenage girl with the money to pay for her abortion doesn't need someone else there to pay, and they are generally very cooperative.

My husband had skin cancer on his forehead. It took 2 weeks to get him into the surgical center. They may remove a little mole or something, but SURGERY, had to be scheduled and done in a different environment.
TWO WEEKS??? Who was on vacation? It could have been MUCH quicker if you called twice a day to find out whether there had been a cancellation. Or if it could be done at the end of the day TODAY. Your doctor IS part owner of the place, isn't he? (or she)? You have to be more pushy!

Comparing a dermatologist to an abortionist it just plain retarded...
Thanks, note that I've worked with more dermatologists than you have, and I've worked with a few (very few) abortionists.
Sometimes a dermatologist takes something out of a person's body, sometimes a gynecologist takes something out of a person's body.
Would you like to keep insulting my intelligence? Feel free, it doesn't help your argument.

My kids doctors wouldn't see them without a parent till they were 18 years old. Abortion is a surgical procedure and the only reason a minor can have the procedure done because of political reasons not what is best for the teenage girl.

The only place I've seen teenagers getting abortions was in a hospital. I don't know whether the had a parent take them or not. I KNOW from speaking with them that some didn't, they were dropped off by a boyfriend.

In doctors' offices on abortion day, all the women have been adults, most with an adult male who was paying (cash) for the procedure and anesthesia.

I've never been in a Planned Parenthood facility.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I have walked in to a dentist's office that I had never visited before, cash in hand, and had a tooth extracted that very same visit. Some procedures can be done "on the spot" as the saying goes. Just because you (general) have never experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I can call MY dermatologist. I went to an office visit for the damn thing and was told when it really started to bother me, make a surgery appointment. So, no - they don't just do everything on demand. To have a mole biopsied - they made a surgery appointment, they didn't do it at the office visit. So, if I have to go back for that, people getting abortions having to go back doesn't really make me sypathetic.
- Lawyerlady

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Question for you: When you made the initial appointment about the mole, did you make a standard office visit appointment to get more information, or did you call and say "I have a mole I need to schedule a procedure to get it biopsied"? I'm betting that you didn't ask to schedule the procedure directly.