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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Cop Shoots Beloved Family Dog

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The ONLY standard applied is how did the cop FEEL. Doesn't matter if there was any real threat or not. Doesn't matter what the objective evidence is. All that matters is for a cop to say "i felt threatened" whether there was any REAL threat posed or not. That is now the standard. Which now means there is NO shooting that cannot be justified with that.

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The ONLY standard applied is how did the cop FEEL. Doesn't matter if there was any real threat or not. Doesn't matter what the objective evidence is. All that matters is for a cop to say "i felt threatened" whether there was any REAL threat posed or not. That is now the standard. Which now means there is NO shooting that cannot be justified with that.

There was one incident recently where the guy was 20 feet from the cop, running away with his hands up, and screaming " DON'T SHOOT ME !!! DON'T SHOOT ME !!!"

The officer stopped, took aim, and shot him down.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The ONLY standard applied is how did the cop FEEL. Doesn't matter if there was any real threat or not. Doesn't matter what the objective evidence is. All that matters is for a cop to say "i felt threatened" whether there was any REAL threat posed or not. That is now the standard. Which now means there is NO shooting that cannot be justified with that.
There was one incident recently where the guy was 20 feet from the cop, running away with his hands up, and screaming " DON'T SHOOT ME !!! DON'T SHOOT ME !!!"

The officer stopped, took aim, and shot him down.

WTF does that have to do with this story?

Lindley · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lindley wrote:

A few bad apples always gives a group a bad name. There are a lot of good professional police officers but unfortunately the bad ones always get the press.

One has to ask WHY is there so much press lately? Seems to me that Police used to be able to deal with the Public and solve problems without gunning everyone down.

When my son worked for a news station the motto was "if it bleeds it leads". Their are millions in the profession who do their jobs professionally and the few who don't gets the attention.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There is a lot more Bleeding now at the hands of the Police.

Lindley · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
There is a lot more Bleeding now at the hands of the Police.

Not the majority. Look I do not condone what this officer did and he should be investigated. Ever since ferguson which the thug wasn't innocent and the witness lied like a dog the media has been on a mission to paint the police in a bad light. You never hear about the ones who do their jobs to protect the community.

My brother was a police officer and the stories he told were scary. They see the dregs of society that we don't even see or know about. One of the stories is a child who was beaten almost to death, murders. You don't hear about trying to get a wreak victim out of a burning car and getting hurt themselves. My brother had a fear of aids because of trying to stop bleeding of a massive injury to someone. The fear of hearing your brother getting shot which he has been shot at. For what they go through yes majority of them has great restraint and professional.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lindley wrote:

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
There is a lot more Bleeding now at the hands of the Police.
Not the majority. Look I do not condone what this officer did and he should be investigated. Ever since ferguson which the thug wasn't innocent and the witness lied like a dog the media has been on a mission to paint the police in a bad light. You never hear about the ones who do their jobs to protect the community.
My brother was a police officer and the stories he told were scary. They see the dregs of society that we don't even see or know about. One of the stories is a child who was beaten almost to death, murders. You don't hear about trying to get a wreak victim out of a burning car and getting hurt themselves. My brother had a fear of aids because of trying to stop bleeding of a massive injury to someone. The fear of hearing your brother getting shot which he has been shot at. For what they go through yes majority of them has great restraint and professional.

Who is criticizing the MAJORITY? What does that have to do with the Majority? You need to HOLD Accountable the bad apples. SHeesh.

Lindley · Guru

I never said we should not hold the bad apples accountable, Just the media has gone on a frenzy and the good cops are getting a bad rap right along with the bad ones. The good ones are getting shot and killed because of the media hype.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

A 40lb dog can knock you over, ed? Are you a pixie??? I had a 80lb dog, and she never knocked me over, and she greeted me enthusiastically all the time.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lindley wrote:

I never said we should not hold the bad apples accountable, Just the media has gone on a frenzy and the good cops are getting a bad rap right along with the bad ones. The good ones are getting shot and killed because of the media hype.

The Media SHOULD go into a frenzy when police are shooting and gunning down people over minor bullschit.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lindley wrote:

I never said we should not hold the bad apples accountable, Just the media has gone on a frenzy and the good cops are getting a bad rap right along with the bad ones. The good ones are getting shot and killed because of the media hype.

The good ones are getting shot and killed BECAUSE people are losing trust and confidence in the police BECAUSE of these bad apples. They should take these horrible cops out of service before these things happen and demonstrate to the Public that using lethal force improperly will not be tolerated. THE more that cops get away with this, the more they are endangering themselves.

Lindley · Guru

The media is not innocent nor always truthful either. They report things without finding out the facts first. I agree that bad cops should be held accountable but don't just focus on the bad ones.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lindley wrote:
The media is not innocent nor always truthful either. They report things without finding out the facts first. I agree that bad cops should be held accountable but don't just focus on the bad ones.

Exactly! Yesterday MSN did a short blurb about a cop who helped a lost little boy find his parents at some festival in Louisiana. It was nice to read. The cop was very humble & said he hoped it shed some positive news about what cops really do most of the time.

chef · Guru

I would really like to know who let the dog out of the door. While I don't condone the shooting, I have to wonder if the officer saw the door come open then reacted to the dog suddenly running out.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.

Lindley · Guru

Lexxy wrote:
Lindley wrote:
The media is not innocent nor always truthful either. They report things without finding out the facts first. I agree that bad cops should be held accountable but don't just focus on the bad ones.
Exactly! Yesterday MSN did a short blurb about a cop who helped a lost little boy find his parents at some festival in Louisiana. It was nice to read. The cop was very humble & said he hoped it shed some positive news about what cops really do most of the time.

Yes and the one who comforted a scared child after a car accident. If your child is lost or needs help you want them to trust a officer not be afraid of him/her. I know there are bad apples and they should be shamed and taken down but the media should at least wait to see how the investigation goes before convicting them. Even law officers are innocent till proven quilty and should be tried under the law not by the media.

The case at fergusion is a example. They made it sound like the thug was just some innocent kid doing nothing wrong but the officer just shot him in the back. the witness who said that later was proven a lie. A little blurb came out later and was backed up by witness's who were afraid to come forward the kid was reaching into the police car trying to take the officers gun. Already by then sharpten and others got the public all stirred up. The media jumped on it without waiting for the truth to have a chance to come out. The officers career is ruined and perhaps his life still in danger.

Yes the police should be held accountable but they have a right to a fair investigation as we do. The media should be held accountable too. They use to dig for the truth and now they just want a story that would grow ratings.

Tinydancer · Guru

I can't believe the excuses being made for this officer. They have training to prevent this very thing yet it seems to be happening more often although we're probably hearing about it more now since Ferguson. A trained police officer should NOT be panicking because a dog rushed out into his own yard. Sheeesh!

Lindley · Guru

I'm not defending the officer who shot the poor dog, I just don't like the way the media has been reporting news that is always against the police without getting all the facts first.

ed11563 · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.

UNLESS it is behaving in a threatening manner ... like in this case.

Or the "nice, well behaved" dog that bit my cousin's 8 y.o. daughter's face while she was playing on the backyard swing set.

Tinydancer · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
UNLESS it is behaving in a threatening manner ... like in this case.
Or the "nice, well behaved" dog that bit my cousin's 8 y.o. daughter's face while she was playing on the backyard swing set.

Dogs are not humans and don't understand the way humans do and this dog was running not acting in a threatening manner. Just because your cousins daughter got bit by a dog doesn't mean this cop had a right to shoot the dog. The cops first reaction should NOT have been to shoot the dog three times.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
They were at home minding their own business not breaking any laws.

People have been shot for minding their own business.

huskerbb · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
UNLESS it is behaving in a threatening manner ... like in this case.
Or the "nice, well behaved" dog that bit my cousin's 8 y.o. daughter's face while she was playing on the backyard swing set.

No. If it's on your property, then it has every right to be there. The cop didn't.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lindley wrote:
I'm not defending the officer who shot the poor dog, I just don't like the way the media has been reporting news that is always against the police without getting all the facts first.

I so much agree with you. Since Ferguson everything has been escalating & they seem to look for the stories that are going to fan the embers to keep the hate & anger alive.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think the anger is JUSTIFIED in many of these cases. And, we should absolutely shine the light of day on these cases.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think the anger is JUSTIFIED in many of these cases. And, we should absolutely shine the light of day on these cases.

As long as they don't slant their presentation & get all the facts straight.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

LGS, your avatar is bleeding.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I know. It's fake. Fake blood.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lexxy wrote:

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think the anger is JUSTIFIED in many of these cases. And, we should absolutely shine the light of day on these cases.
As long as they don't slant their presentation & get all the facts straight.

Yes. That's true. And, I agree that has happened as well.

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.

I agree. Problem is, the law doesn't seem to agree. If a dog truly has such a right, then all the cases of a trespasser getting bit by the dog would be thrown out. It sickens me that someone can break into my home, get bit by my dog, and I'm the one getting sued and having to euthanize my dog.

chef · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
I can't believe the excuses being made for this officer. They have training to prevent this very thing yet it seems to be happening more often although we're probably hearing about it more now since Ferguson. A trained police officer should NOT be panicking because a dog rushed out into his own yard. Sheeesh!

I agree. But panic isn't always a controlled reaction. Officers are still human in spite of all their training.

I don't condone the officer's actions. At all. I do, however, have to wonder if the officer simply reacted vs it being a malicious act.

Personally, I hate that certain breeds are maligned. Every pit bull and pit bull mix I've personally met has been nothing but an overgrown lap dog. I would love to own a pit bull but they're banned in most apartments and I'm not willing to take the hit on my homeowner's insurance once DH and I buy a house.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
I agree. Problem is, the law doesn't seem to agree. If a dog truly has such a right, then all the cases of a trespasser getting bit by the dog would be thrown out. It sickens me that someone can break into my home, get bit by my dog, and I'm the one getting sued and having to euthanize my dog.

That really shouldn't happen. States that have laws like that are dumb. Dogs are for protection - it would often be their job to bit trespassers.

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
I agree. Problem is, the law doesn't seem to agree. If a dog truly has such a right, then all the cases of a trespasser getting bit by the dog would be thrown out. It sickens me that someone can break into my home, get bit by my dog, and I'm the one getting sued and having to euthanize my dog.
That really shouldn't happen. States that have laws like that are dumb. Dogs are for protection - it would often be their job to bit trespassers.

Agree 100%.

I asked a professor about it when I was a Criminal Justice major. He said the reasoning is that dogs shouldn't bite people. He also said that you can be sued if someone breaks in and hurts themself in your home. My mind exploded a bit that day. It's absolutely ludicrous that a criminal - who has no business being there anyway - can sue the homeowner for any reason.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
I agree. Problem is, the law doesn't seem to agree. If a dog truly has such a right, then all the cases of a trespasser getting bit by the dog would be thrown out. It sickens me that someone can break into my home, get bit by my dog, and I'm the one getting sued and having to euthanize my dog.
That really shouldn't happen. States that have laws like that are dumb. Dogs are for protection - it would often be their job to bit trespassers.
Agree 100%.
I asked a professor about it when I was a Criminal Justice major. He said the reasoning is that dogs shouldn't bite people. He also said that you can be sued if someone breaks in and hurts themself in your home. My mind exploded a bit that day. It's absolutely ludicrous that a criminal - who has no business being there anyway - can sue the homeowner for any reason.

OK, I remember some of these cases. There was a Catch-22 for owners. You could put up a "Beware of Dog" sign that would sheild you from liability if someone got bit on your property, BUT, if your dog got loose and off your property and bit someone, that sign could be used against you to prove you knew the dog was agressive.

But most laws gives dogs one free bite.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
I agree. Problem is, the law doesn't seem to agree. If a dog truly has such a right, then all the cases of a trespasser getting bit by the dog would be thrown out. It sickens me that someone can break into my home, get bit by my dog, and I'm the one getting sued and having to euthanize my dog.
That really shouldn't happen. States that have laws like that are dumb. Dogs are for protection - it would often be their job to bit trespassers.
Agree 100%.
I asked a professor about it when I was a Criminal Justice major. He said the reasoning is that dogs shouldn't bite people. He also said that you can be sued if someone breaks in and hurts themself in your home. My mind exploded a bit that day. It's absolutely ludicrous that a criminal - who has no business being there anyway - can sue the homeowner for any reason.
OK, I remember some of these cases. There was a Catch-22 for owners. You could put up a "Beware of Dog" sign that would sheild you from liability if someone got bit on your property, BUT, if your dog got loose and off your property and bit someone, that sign could be used against you to prove you knew the dog was agressive.
But most laws gives dogs one free bite.

If they are off of your property and not under your control--then you, and they, get what you get. If they get shot or bite someone and have to be put down--so be it. Be a more responsible owner.

this shouldn't happen if they are on your property, though.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
I agree. Problem is, the law doesn't seem to agree. If a dog truly has such a right, then all the cases of a trespasser getting bit by the dog would be thrown out. It sickens me that someone can break into my home, get bit by my dog, and I'm the one getting sued and having to euthanize my dog.
That really shouldn't happen. States that have laws like that are dumb. Dogs are for protection - it would often be their job to bit trespassers.
Agree 100%.
I asked a professor about it when I was a Criminal Justice major. He said the reasoning is that dogs shouldn't bite people. He also said that you can be sued if someone breaks in and hurts themself in your home. My mind exploded a bit that day. It's absolutely ludicrous that a criminal - who has no business being there anyway - can sue the homeowner for any reason.
OK, I remember some of these cases. There was a Catch-22 for owners. You could put up a "Beware of Dog" sign that would sheild you from liability if someone got bit on your property, BUT, if your dog got loose and off your property and bit someone, that sign could be used against you to prove you knew the dog was agressive.
But most laws gives dogs one free bite.

The law may have changed but back in the 90s some little shyt neighbor kid was cutting across our property. He claimed our dog bit him. We went to court & had to have our dog put down or removed from the county. We couldn't find anyone to take him so he was put down. The thing that really ticked us off was we knew the dog did NOT bite him. He most likely jumped up on him, scared him, knocked him down even but he did not bite him. The pictures showed a little scratch on his arm. That kid has got to be in his 30s by now & I haven't seen him since the incident but I still haven't forgiven him when something brings it to mind.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lexxy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
A dog has the right to be running free on its owner's property ALWAYS.
I agree. Problem is, the law doesn't seem to agree. If a dog truly has such a right, then all the cases of a trespasser getting bit by the dog would be thrown out. It sickens me that someone can break into my home, get bit by my dog, and I'm the one getting sued and having to euthanize my dog.
That really shouldn't happen. States that have laws like that are dumb. Dogs are for protection - it would often be their job to bit trespassers.
Agree 100%.
I asked a professor about it when I was a Criminal Justice major. He said the reasoning is that dogs shouldn't bite people. He also said that you can be sued if someone breaks in and hurts themself in your home. My mind exploded a bit that day. It's absolutely ludicrous that a criminal - who has no business being there anyway - can sue the homeowner for any reason.
OK, I remember some of these cases. There was a Catch-22 for owners. You could put up a "Beware of Dog" sign that would sheild you from liability if someone got bit on your property, BUT, if your dog got loose and off your property and bit someone, that sign could be used against you to prove you knew the dog was agressive.
But most laws gives dogs one free bite.
The law may have changed but back in the 90s some little shyt neighbor kid was cutting across our property. He claimed our dog bit him. We went to court & had to have our dog put down or removed from the county. We couldn't find anyone to take him so he was put down. The thing that really ticked us off was we knew the dog did NOT bite him. He most likely jumped up on him, scared him, knocked him down even but he did not bite him. The pictures showed a little scratch on his arm. That kid has got to be in his 30s by now & I haven't seen him since the incident but I still haven't forgiven him when something brings it to mind.

Dog laws vary a lot by jurisdiction. But that was really crappy.

ed11563 · Guru

In the 1970's, a teenage burglar tried to break into Valley Stream North High School. He climbed up to the roof over the gym one night ...

and while breaking in through a skylight, fell to the gym floor. He became a quadriplegic.

In court he was awarded (I think) $1.1 million, to be paid by the taxpayers.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

This thread doesn't surprise me. ed is the one who feels like it's okay to kill someone on a motorcycle who passes you illegally.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
This thread doesn't surprise me. ed is the one who feels like it's okay to kill someone on a motorcycle who passes you illegally.

NO, I NEVER SAID THAT !!!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

ed11563 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
This thread doesn't surprise me. ed is the one who feels like it's okay to kill someone on a motorcycle who passes you illegally.
NO, I NEVER SAID THAT !!!

Yes you did and I will find the quote and post it.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

This is off the motorcycle thread. A car driver deliberately slammed into a motorcyclist because he was illegally passing him.

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So he decided not to let that unlicensed SOB pass him in a no-passing zone.

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Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

In what universe is it okay for a CAR to purposely run over a motorcyclist just because he passes you illegally.

And don't give me that BS about him being unlicensed because no one even knew about that until after all this went down.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
This is off the motorcycle thread. A car driver deliberately slammed into a motorcyclist because he was illegally passing him.

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So he decided not to let that unlicensed SOB pass him in a no-passing zone.

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I was saying what I think he was thinking. That doesn't mean I approve or would recommend this action.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

That is not how it reads at all. And no one else on the thread read it that way either.

It's okay to kill a dog, run over someone, and there are predators everywhere. Your attitudes worry me.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
That is not how it reads at all. And no one else on the thread read it that way either.

It's okay to kill a dog, run over someone, and there are predators everywhere. Your attitudes worry me.

Okay, let's discuss this.

Kill a dog that you reasonable think is attacking you? Yes, but I carry pepper spray, not a gun.

Run over someone?

Yes, we had a local incident where a 240 pound body builder, after a road rage chase, cornered a 150 pound guy, and while screaming threats ("I'm going to kill you, You're DEAD") was momentarily in front of the guy's car, beating on it ... and was moving to the driver's door ...

when the littler guy ran him over. I called it self-defense.

Similar to things we've all seen on TV, where the bad guy is in front of the car shooting at the driver ... YEP. Run him over, clearly self-defense.

Predators everywhere?

Don't walk around Brooklyn or the South Bronx or Harlem or the South Side of Chicago, with ear buds playing while you text from your phone.

You MIGHT not meet a predator, but then again, you might. They hunt fools who behave like that.

I'm glad for you that you live in a place where there are no drug addicts and no violent criminals. Not all of us do.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You're insane. And we all know you see sex predators everywhere.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I honestly don't remember the thread.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
You're insane. And we all know you see sex predators everywhere.

You're not Lily.

flan

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flan327 wrote:
I honestly don't remember the thread.

flan

Like three people looked at it. And ed said it was okay to run someone over. Shooting a dog that isn't doing anything at all is NOT okay. Not even in ed's world. And running over someone purposely with a car is NOT okay. Not even in ed's world. There are consequences for doing that. But if he wants to try let him. And yes, he constantly sees sexual predators everywhere.