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ed11563 · Guru

RE: Staying With the Anti-Choice Doctor

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I get the plain facts of the matter. But a fetus is not a baby. Even a human fetus. And while I believe it is still worth a great deal, and should be allowed to live out its full potential, and I believe other options should be explored, and yes, abortion is overused and trivialized, I will never be in favor of outlawing it.
What ever helps you rationalize killing babies, dear.
Lily, it's a critical part of your argument that you assume that, without legal abortion, those fetuses would be allowed to grow to term and be born.
History shows that desperate people take desperate measures, and, sure, SOME OF THEM would continue to term, but MANY OF THEM would be aborted by other, less than legal, less than safe means. And some of the pregnant women and girls would die or be left sterile in the process.

So? Because someone may choose to inflict harm on themselves with an illegal proceedure, we should make it legal? That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.

"Well, people are going to do it anyway, so lets legalize it". Retarded.

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 11:23:18 AM

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 11:23:32 AM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Desperate people use meth. Desperate people use cocaine. Desperate people drive without a license. I could come up with a dozen things desperate people do. That doesn't make it right.

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I get the plain facts of the matter. But a fetus is not a baby. Even a human fetus. And while I believe it is still worth a great deal, and should be allowed to live out its full potential, and I believe other options should be explored, and yes, abortion is overused and trivialized, I will never be in favor of outlawing it.
What ever helps you rationalize killing babies, dear.
Lily, it's a critical part of your argument that you assume that, without legal abortion, those fetuses would be allowed to grow to term and be born.
History shows that desperate people take desperate measures, and, sure, SOME OF THEM would continue to term, but MANY OF THEM would be aborted by other, less than legal, less than safe means. And some of the pregnant women and girls would die or be left sterile in the process.

So? Because someone may choose to inflict harm on themselves with an illegal procedure, we should make it legal? That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
"Well, people are going to do it anyway, so lets legalize it". Retarded.

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 11:23:18 AM

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 11:23:32 AM

When alcohol was illegal during Prohibition, no one drank alcohol.

Having and using Marijuana is illegal, so no one smokes pot.

Prostitution is illegal, so all the hookers have turned into secretaries and bus drivers.

Where abortion is illegal, no one is getting abortions.

B.S. Total nonsense.

Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Alcohol, marijuana, sex for money, and abortions. People actually do all these things whether they're legal or not, whether they're safe or not.

You can have dream world where all girls abstain from sex until they're married, where all pregnancies are planned and wanted, where people only do what's legal and smart.

But it's just a dream.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

The amount of stupid...

Ohfour · Hooker

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
The amount of stupid...

It hurts doesn't it?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Why is it stupid?

No one is forcing you (general you) to have an abortion.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I get the plain facts of the matter. But a fetus is not a baby. Even a human fetus. And while I believe it is still worth a great deal, and should be allowed to live out its full potential, and I believe other options should be explored, and yes, abortion is overused and trivialized, I will never be in favor of outlawing it.
What ever helps you rationalize killing babies, dear.
Lily, it's a critical part of your argument that you assume that, without legal abortion, those fetuses would be allowed to grow to term and be born.
History shows that desperate people take desperate measures, and, sure, SOME OF THEM would continue to term, but MANY OF THEM would be aborted by other, less than legal, less than safe means. And some of the pregnant women and girls would die or be left sterile in the process.

So? Because someone may choose to inflict harm on themselves with an illegal procedure, we should make it legal? That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard.
"Well, people are going to do it anyway, so lets legalize it". Retarded.

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 11:23:18 AM

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 11:23:32 AM
When alcohol was illegal during Prohibition, no one drank alcohol.
Having and using Marijuana is illegal, so no one smokes pot.
Prostitution is illegal, so all the hookers have turned into secretaries and bus drivers.
Where abortion is illegal, no one is getting abortions.

B.S. Total nonsense.
Legalize it, regulate it, tax it. Alcohol, marijuana, sex for money, and abortions. People actually do all these things whether they're legal or not, whether they're safe or not.
You can have dream world where all girls abstain from sex until they're married, where all pregnancies are planned and wanted, where people only do what's legal and smart.
But it's just a dream.

You cannot be this dense...

Of COURSE people are going to do it. People are going to drink and drive. Should we make it legal, just because some people are going to do it anyway?

This would be funny if you weren't serious, but unfortunately you are...

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Why is it stupid?

No one is forcing you (general you) to have an abortion.

flan

It's stupid to make something legal just because some people will do it anyway.

BEYOND stupid...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Why is it stupid?

No one is forcing you (general you) to have an abortion.

flan
It's stupid to make something legal just because some people will do it anyway.
BEYOND stupid...

It's stupid to provide a safe medical procedure to women who want to terminate a pregnancy?

flan

ed11563 · Guru

Ohfour wrote:

You cannot be this dense...
Of COURSE people are going to do it. People are going to drink and drive. Should we make it legal, just because some people are going to do it anyway?
This would be funny if you weren't serious, but unfortunately you are...

Would drinking be more dangerous if it was legal? (wait, it is.)

Would drinking and driving while drunk be safer if it was legal? um ... NO

Are abortions safer when they're legal? Yes.

We do tax alcohol, and pot where it's legal.

Medical procedures? usually not taxed. But they are highly regulated.

driving while drunk or texting? Illegal, and dangerous, and HEAVILY TAXED.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Why is it stupid?

No one is forcing you (general you) to have an abortion.

flan
It's stupid to make something legal just because some people will do it anyway.
BEYOND stupid...
It's stupid to provide a safe medical procedure to women who want to terminate a pregnancy?
flan

It's stupid that's it's legal for a woman to kill her child. And that people want to keep it legalized. Fortunately, the laws are getting stricter and stricter.

And Eds argument is that people are going to do it anyway, so it needs to be legalized. You don't think that's stupid?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Why is it stupid?

No one is forcing you (general you) to have an abortion.

flan

The stupid is in the line of thinking that "Oh people are going to do it anyway so you may as well make it legal." Well, that could be applied to EVERY situation. Why is it any more wrong to drink and drive and kill someone than have an abortion and kill someone? I mean, if the rational is people are going to do it anyway then there really shouldn't be ANY laws because, let's be honest, people are going to do whatever they want regardless of what the law says. People are going to speed so should we not have speed limits? Some people don't wear their seatbelts so should we not have those laws? There are laws about all kinds of things every day that people don't do. Should we just go without laws?

Lindley · Guru

Someone needs to step in and defend the helpless. The baby is a little person who is totally defenseless.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lindley wrote:
Someone needs to step in and defend the helpless. The baby is a little person who is totally defenseless.

Fair enough, but what happens after the baby is born to a mother who doesn't want it?

flan

Lindley · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lindley wrote:
Someone needs to step in and defend the helpless. The baby is a little person who is totally defenseless.
Fair enough, but what happens after the baby is born to a mother who doesn't want it?
flan

My nephew and his wife adopted a baby who's mother almost aborted him. He now has a good home with a mommy and daddy who loves him very much. There is a long waiting list of people who want to adopt.

Ohfour · Hooker

A very good friend of ours recently found her birth mother (friend is 40). She struggled with anxiety over whether she wanted to meet her or not. She did a couple of months ago. She found out was conceived when her mother was raped at 15 years old. Her life has taken on a new meaning. Can you imagine? The awesome blessing that he mother gave her? LIFE! She is alive. She has purpose. She has children that will make a difference in someone's life. Every one, when allowed to live, will make a difference.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lindley wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lindley wrote:
Someone needs to step in and defend the helpless. The baby is a little person who is totally defenseless.
Fair enough, but what happens after the baby is born to a mother who doesn't want it?
flan
My nephew and his wife adopted a baby who's mother almost aborted him. He now has a good home with a mommy and daddy who loves him very much. There is a long waiting list of people who want to adopt.

Obviously adoption is an option, but while some stories have happy endings, not all do.

I respect your opinion, especially the fact that you can express it politely.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lindley wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lindley wrote:
Someone needs to step in and defend the helpless. The baby is a little person who is totally defenseless.
Fair enough, but what happens after the baby is born to a mother who doesn't want it?
flan
My nephew and his wife adopted a baby who's mother almost aborted him. He now has a good home with a mommy and daddy who loves him very much. There is a long waiting list of people who want to adopt.
Obviously adoption is an option, but while some stories have happy endings, not all do.
I respect your opinion, especially the fact that you can express it politely.
flan

None of the abortions have a happy ending so your point makes no sense.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I get the plain facts of the matter. But a fetus is not a baby. Even a human fetus. And while I believe it is still worth a great deal, and should be allowed to live out its full potential, and I believe other options should be explored, and yes, abortion is overused and trivialized, I will never be in favor of outlawing it.
What ever helps you rationalize killing babies, dear.
Lily, it's a critical part of your argument that you assume that, without legal abortion, those fetuses would be allowed to grow to term and be born.
History shows that desperate people take desperate measures, and, sure, SOME OF THEM would continue to term, but MANY OF THEM would be aborted by other, less than legal, less than safe means. And some of the pregnant women and girls would die or be left sterile in the process.

No. I completely understand that if abortion were illegal, some would seek back alley abortions.

I do understand that.

I think that is how it should be.

I also think people, ALL people, should stop with the pretty language and get real and stop making excuses for those who choose to kill their unborn child.

Not getting pregnant is the most easy choice in the world.

Between personal responsibility and the ease in which we can obtain birth control, well, there is absolutely no reason to have elective abortions. None.

And don't start with the "what about rape" argument.

That's a baby too. And it also rarely happens.

You think that I think making abortion illegal will magically make women care and want to carry the baby.

No.

I think it would force them to take responsibility of their reproduction and not get pregnant until they want to.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I want to know why the pro baby killers are not more adamant about birth control and personal responsibility?

Why do these women have so much right to "their body" once they are pregnant?

Why can't they have that responsibility before they are pregnant?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

For the umpteenth time, it's PRO-CHOICE.

Period.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
For the umpteenth time, it's PRO-CHOICE.

Period.

flan

Riiiight...

CHOSE to be reckless and then kill your child because of it. What a wonderful choice...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
For the umpteenth time, it's PRO-CHOICE.

Period.

flan
Riiiight...
CHOSE to be reckless and then kill your child because of it. What a wonderful choice...

But, according to YOUR beliefs, they will be judged when the time comes.

You're ASSUMING that they choose to be reckless...big assumption.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I get the plain facts of the matter. But a fetus is not a baby. Even a human fetus. And while I believe it is still worth a great deal, and should be allowed to live out its full potential, and I believe other options should be explored, and yes, abortion is overused and trivialized, I will never be in favor of outlawing it.
What ever helps you rationalize killing babies, dear.
Lily, it's a critical part of your argument that you assume that, without legal abortion, those fetuses would be allowed to grow to term and be born.
History shows that desperate people take desperate measures, and, sure, SOME OF THEM would continue to term, but MANY OF THEM would be aborted by other, less than legal, less than safe means. And some of the pregnant women and girls would die or be left sterile in the process.

No. I completely understand that if abortion were illegal, some would seek back alley abortions.
I do understand that.
I think that is how it should be.
I also think people, ALL people, should stop with the pretty language and get real and stop making excuses for those who choose to kill their unborn child.
Not getting pregnant is the most easy choice in the world.
Between personal responsibility and the ease in which we can obtain birth control, well, there is absolutely no reason to have elective abortions. None.
And don't start with the "what about rape" argument.
That's a baby too. And it also rarely happens.
You think that I think making abortion illegal will magically make women care and want to carry the baby.
No.
I think it would force them to take responsibility of their reproduction and not get pregnant until they want to.

I have no clue what world you live in.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
For the umpteenth time, it's PRO-CHOICE.

Period.

flan
Riiiight...
CHOSE to be reckless and then kill your child because of it. What a wonderful choice...
But, according to YOUR beliefs, they will be judged when the time comes.
You're ASSUMING that they choose to be reckless...big assumption.
flan

Pregnancy is preventable. You think BC failed in all 800,000 abortions last year? Nice try...

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I get the plain facts of the matter. But a fetus is not a baby. Even a human fetus. And while I believe it is still worth a great deal, and should be allowed to live out its full potential, and I believe other options should be explored, and yes, abortion is overused and trivialized, I will never be in favor of outlawing it.
What ever helps you rationalize killing babies, dear.
Lily, it's a critical part of your argument that you assume that, without legal abortion, those fetuses would be allowed to grow to term and be born.
History shows that desperate people take desperate measures, and, sure, SOME OF THEM would continue to term, but MANY OF THEM would be aborted by other, less than legal, less than safe means. And some of the pregnant women and girls would die or be left sterile in the process.

No. I completely understand that if abortion were illegal, some would seek back alley abortions.
I do understand that.
I think that is how it should be.
I also think people, ALL people, should stop with the pretty language and get real and stop making excuses for those who choose to kill their unborn child.
Not getting pregnant is the most easy choice in the world.
Between personal responsibility and the ease in which we can obtain birth control, well, there is absolutely no reason to have elective abortions. None.
And don't start with the "what about rape" argument.
That's a baby too. And it also rarely happens.
You think that I think making abortion illegal will magically make women care and want to carry the baby.
No.
I think it would force them to take responsibility of their reproduction and not get pregnant until they want to.

I have no clue what world you live in.
flan

I world where mothers don't slaughter their children.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

In my world, women take responsibility for themselves and their choices.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

You know. I had a whole lot of sex between 18 and getting married at 23.

A whole heck of a lot.

And not all of it was safer sex.

And I didn't get pregnant.

I got pregnant when I wanted to.

Yes. There could have been an unplanned pregnancy at any point.

But there wasnt.

And if there was, I knew from the moment I first decided to have sex it was a possibility and that I would take care of a baby if I did get pregnant.

I was willing to take responsibility for my actions.

Cause that is how I was raised.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, a world where mothers don't slaughter their children is the world I would rather live in. But, hey, if liberals want to kill their own babies, then let them. Why not? Knock yourselves out.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
For the umpteenth time, it's PRO-CHOICE.

Period.

flan
Riiiight...
CHOSE to be reckless and then kill your child because of it. What a wonderful choice...
But, according to YOUR beliefs, they will be judged when the time comes.
You're ASSUMING that they choose to be reckless...big assumption.
flan
Pregnancy is preventable. You think BC failed in all 800,000 abortions last year? Nice try...

Did I ever say that? BC does fail, depending on the method used.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

56 MILLION birth control failures? Yeah, sure. What LIES.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
For the umpteenth time, it's PRO-CHOICE.

Period.

flan
Riiiight...
CHOSE to be reckless and then kill your child because of it. What a wonderful choice...
But, according to YOUR beliefs, they will be judged when the time comes.
You're ASSUMING that they choose to be reckless...big assumption.
flan
Pregnancy is preventable. You think BC failed in all 800,000 abortions last year? Nice try...
Did I ever say that? BC does fail, depending on the method used.
flan

When you have sex without birth control, that IS reckless. A VAST majority of abortions are because not birth control was used. Reckless, and the babies lose their lives because of it...

You don't see that as selfish? There is nothing more selfish than killing your child for your convenience...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
56 MILLION birth control failures? Yeah, sure. What LIES.

Excuse me...Where did I say that?

flan

chef · Guru

If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...

We have answered this many times.

I had a miscarriage, then was lucky enough to give birth to 2 boys.

BUT I cannot choose for another woman.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...
We have answered this many times.
I had a miscarriage, then was lucky enough to give birth to 2 boys.
BUT I cannot choose for another woman.
flan

And yet, you support HER choosing for another.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...
We have answered this many times.
I had a miscarriage, then was lucky enough to give birth to 2 boys.
BUT I cannot choose for another woman.
flan

No. There have been no answers to that, especially not "many times" of answers. Saying you had a miscarriage doesn't tell me what was in my uterus if a fetus isn't a baby. Saying you cannot choose for another woman also doesn't tell me what was in my uterus if it wasn't a baby.

I either had a baby in my uterus or I didn't. A baby in utero is called an embryo for the first 8 weeks (I believe that's the cut off) then it's called a fetus. Embryo, fetus, newborn, infant, baby, toddler, child, pre-teen, teen, adult, senior, elderly ... all refer to phases of life. A human is a human at every life stage. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.

So. Again. I'd like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days. It wasn't a baby so what was it? The flying purple people eater? A dragon? Cat? Dog? Alien?

chef · Guru

Re miscarriages ... Everyone I personally know who has had a miscarriage have ALL said they lost a BABY. Not a fetus. Not a blob of cells. A baby.

Most of those people also named their baby. Some even do something in remembrance of their baby on the baby's birthday.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
Re miscarriages ... Everyone I personally know who has had a miscarriage have ALL said they lost a BABY. Not a fetus. Not a blob of cells. A baby.

Most of those people also named their baby. Some even do something in remembrance of their baby on the baby's birthday.

Never named mine. Have no idea when its birthday would have been.

Big surprise!

Your personal experience is different from mine.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...
We have answered this many times.
I had a miscarriage, then was lucky enough to give birth to 2 boys.
BUT I cannot choose for another woman.
flan
No. There have been no answers to that, especially not "many times" of answers. Saying you had a miscarriage doesn't tell me what was in my uterus if a fetus isn't a baby. Saying you cannot choose for another woman also doesn't tell me what was in my uterus if it wasn't a baby.
I either had a baby in my uterus or I didn't. A baby in utero is called an embryo for the first 8 weeks (I believe that's the cut off) then it's called a fetus. Embryo, fetus, newborn, infant, baby, toddler, child, pre-teen, teen, adult, senior, elderly ... all refer to phases of life. A human is a human at every life stage. To pretend otherwise is ignorant.
So. Again. I'd like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days. It wasn't a baby so what was it? The flying purple people eater? A dragon? Cat? Dog? Alien?

Yes, it was a dragon...

Happy now?

flan

ed11563 · Guru

chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...

If you wanted a baby, which you clearly did, you should certainly acknowledge it as your baby.

Legally, it was a fetus, and in a lot of places it became a baby with its' first breath.

I don't like the idea of disagreeing with a Mom about her child, no matter what its' status is.

You decide for yourself.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

chef wrote:
Re miscarriages ... Everyone I personally know who has had a miscarriage have ALL said they lost a BABY. Not a fetus. Not a blob of cells. A baby.

Most of those people also named their baby. Some even do something in remembrance of their baby on the baby's birthday.

Yep.

My baby's name is Drew.

He would be 22.

Ohfour · Hooker

ed11563 wrote:
chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...
If you wanted a baby, which you clearly did, you should certainly acknowledge it as your baby.
Legally, it was a fetus, and in a lot of places it became a baby with its' first breath.
I don't like the idea of disagreeing with a Mom about her child, no matter what its' status is.
You decide for yourself.

Legally, in most places, you can and will be charged with homicide for causing the death of an unborn baby. Yet, if the mother does it, then that's ok. confuse

-- Edited by Ohfour on Wednesday 28th of October 2015 04:42:05 PM

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

ed11563 wrote:
chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...
If you wanted a baby, which you clearly did, you should certainly acknowledge it as your baby.
Legally, it was a fetus, and in a lot of places it became a baby with its' first breath.
I don't like the idea of disagreeing with a Mom about her child, no matter what its' status is.
You decide for yourself.

So what you are saying is it is easier to call that incubating human anything but a baby.

Because to actually call it a baby would mean acknowledging that you condone murdering a baby.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Hallelujah! I have seen the light!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Let's try this another way.

What is a fetus?

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Our baby would have been 39 this last August.

Those of us who have lost a baby, never forget.

And, yes, we named him.

Lindley · Guru

I know for my daughter losing her baby was tramatic and heartbreaking for her. She lost it at home and saw him/her. It took her a long time to get over the loss and even though she has since then had another child it still bothers her.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
chef wrote:
If a fetus is not a baby, I'd sure like to know what was in my uterus for 39 weeks and 2 days ...
If you wanted a baby, which you clearly did, you should certainly acknowledge it as your baby.
Legally, it was a fetus, and in a lot of places it became a baby with its' first breath.
I don't like the idea of disagreeing with a Mom about her child, no matter what its' status is.
You decide for yourself.

So what you are saying is it is easier to call that incubating human anything but a baby.
Because to actually call it a baby would mean acknowledging that you condone murdering a baby.

I'm saying I would never argue about this with YOU, and I would never argue about it with the teenage girls I've seen in the hospitals waiting for their abortions.

Clearly YOU call yours a baby, they might or might not. I would never ask.