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With all the scratching, screeching and headrolling over people being "entitled", you'd think any stealing, lying, cheating or manipulation would receive the same disdain.

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What you are saying is that stealing is ok.

You have to tell the cashier how many tickets you need of each age group.

Kids are a lot more astute than you like to pretend.

And even if the kid doesn't know, how is it right to steal, lie, cheat and manipulate?

How can you say, do as I say when you don't?


 Again, you seem to not be able to read.  Where did I say it was "right"?  



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I hope my child never wants to go there, but I hate theme parks.

Disney really use to be a wonderful company, but they've been pretty bad lately about exploiting visa programs for cheaper work.

They do a lot of hiring through temp agencies and then lay people off, then hire through temp again to avoid paying full benefits.

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I thought of another dumb rule that I didn't mind breaking. The notion that we can teach someone to drive in a year and then turn them loose on the roads. Ridiculous.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

What you are saying is that stealing is ok.

You have to tell the cashier how many tickets you need of each age group.

Kids are a lot more astute than you like to pretend.

And even if the kid doesn't know, how is it right to steal, lie, cheat and manipulate?

How can you say, do as I say when you don't?


 Again, you seem to not be able to read.  Where did I say it was "right"?  


 I'm reading exactly what you are typing.

And I am wondering what you are saying.

You say it isn't right but in the same breath say some rules should be broken.

So I'm attempting to understand just what you are saying about the OP.

Is lying about a child's age to get a discount ok?

Or even a senior discount for someone who could be of age? 

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:

What you are saying is that stealing is ok.

You have to tell the cashier how many tickets you need of each age group.

Kids are a lot more astute than you like to pretend.

And even if the kid doesn't know, how is it right to steal, lie, cheat and manipulate?

How can you say, do as I say when you don't?


 Again, you seem to not be able to read.  Where did I say it was "right"?  


 I'm reading exactly what you are typing.

And I am wondering what you are saying.

You say it isn't right but in the same breath say some rules should be broken.

So I'm attempting to understand just what you are saying about the OP.

Is lying about a child's age to get a discount ok?

Or even a senior discount for someone who could be of age? 

 


 Then you must have missed the part where I said I didn't care.



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I hope my child never wants to go there, but I hate theme parks.

Disney really use to be a wonderful company, but they've been pretty bad lately about exploiting visa programs for cheaper work.

They do a lot of hiring through temp agencies and then lay people off, then hire through temp again to avoid paying full benefits.


 I think that's an important factor. 

If you don't like theme parks, you really wouldn't like any of them, anywhere. 

I couldn't wait to take my kids. It was one thing I really wanted to do with them.

It is part of my list.

The beach

Disney World 

Washington DC

You get the idea.



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huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:

What you are saying is that stealing is ok.

You have to tell the cashier how many tickets you need of each age group.

Kids are a lot more astute than you like to pretend.

And even if the kid doesn't know, how is it right to steal, lie, cheat and manipulate?

How can you say, do as I say when you don't?


 Again, you seem to not be able to read.  Where did I say it was "right"?  


 I'm reading exactly what you are typing.

And I am wondering what you are saying.

You say it isn't right but in the same breath say some rules should be broken.

So I'm attempting to understand just what you are saying about the OP.

Is lying about a child's age to get a discount ok?

Or even a senior discount for someone who could be of age? 

 


 Then you must have missed the part where I said I didn't care.


 I saw it.

You don't care.

But you are not answering the questions. 

Is it ok?



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I'm with gaga. It's such a non issue. Not worth writing to Prudie about. If they have an issue with what the inlaws want to do, then they can pony up the dough for the kid--or not go. Having some huge argument over such a non issue is stupid.

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The issue is what example do we set for our kids.

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lilyofcourse wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

What you are saying is that stealing is ok.

You have to tell the cashier how many tickets you need of each age group.

Kids are a lot more astute than you like to pretend.

And even if the kid doesn't know, how is it right to steal, lie, cheat and manipulate?

How can you say, do as I say when you don't?


 Again, you seem to not be able to read.  Where did I say it was "right"?  


 I'm reading exactly what you are typing.

And I am wondering what you are saying.

You say it isn't right but in the same breath say some rules should be broken.

So I'm attempting to understand just what you are saying about the OP.

Is lying about a child's age to get a discount ok?

Or even a senior discount for someone who could be of age? 

 


 Then you must have missed the part where I said I didn't care.


 I saw it.

You don't care.

But you are not answering the questions. 

Is it ok?


 I DON'T CARE.  I have no real opinion on such a non issue.  Would I do it, myself?  Probably not--but then I wouldn't be stupid enough to take a toddler to Disney, either.  

Do I give a rats ass if someone else does it?  No.  Couldnt care less.



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The issue is what example do we set for our kids.


 And reading that into this--is stupid.



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Not just about Disney.

In general.

Is it ok to lie, cheat, and steal to get a better deal?

What about kids night at IHOP? The movies? Anything.

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Integrity, people. Doing the right thing even when no one would no the difference.

It matters.

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Integrity, people. Doing the right thing even when no one would no the difference.


It matters.





Actually the measure of your character is doing what is right when nobody is looking or when you can "get away" with not doing it.

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Integrity, people. Doing the right thing even when no one would no the difference.

It matters.


 This.

 



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Integrity, people. Doing the right thing even when no one would no the difference.


It matters.



 



Actually the measure of your character is doing what is right when nobody is looking or when you can "get away" with not doing it.


 Yeah.  Basically what I said. 



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Not just about Disney.

In general.

Is it ok to lie, cheat, and steal to get a better deal?

What about kids night at IHOP? The movies? Anything.


 In general?  of course not--but that wasn't the question I was asked until now.  Also, again, I didn't say it was the right thing to do in this case.  I said I didn't care and it was a non issue.



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My kids are all tall so i couldn't have psssed them off as younger. Usually i had to prove they really were that age and not older.

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If I was going to take a three year old to a place like Disney, I'd pay the appropriate admission fee for the three year old.

The likelihood is, however, that I would never do something like that. Here's my reasoning: The prices are unreasonable ($93 for a 3 year old? Really?), and there's little to no chance that a 3 year old will remember any of it anyway.

Please don't teach children to lie. That should have been the advice. Simple and to the point.

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If I was going to take a three year old to a place like Disney, I'd pay the appropriate admission fee for the three year old.

The likelihood is, however, that I would never do something like that. Here's my reasoning: The prices are unreasonable ($93 for a 3 year old? Really?), and there's little to no chance that a 3 year old will remember any of it anyway.

Please don't teach children to lie. That should have been the advice. Simple and to the point.


 Plus, depending on when you go, you'll spend 1/2 or more of your time standing in line.  



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 Plus, depending on when you go, you'll spend 1/2 or more of your time standing in line.  


 That's why you need to plan your trip properly and at the right time.



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I've been 3 times. Last week of May, middle of June and July 4th.

Never waited more than 10 minutes in any line.

That's the thing about Disney rides, they take either large volumes at once or it just keeps moving.

And with the faspass, you pretty much just walk up and get on.

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Integrity, people. Doing the right thing even when no one would no the difference.

It matters.


 This, I wouldn't lie to get my child into any theme park but if they are worried about what grandma and grandpa do then they should tell them that they are unconfortable about setting a poor example for their children and will pay for the youngest childs ticket.  Children learn by example.  Yes some (a lot really) rules are dumb but I would not teach my children to lie.  

 

  



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Yes. Rules can be seem nonsensical.

 

But part of my rules are no lying, no cheating, no stealing, no manipulation. 

 

So I wouldn't engage in breaking my own rules and then expect my kids to follow them.

 



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There are a lot of things your child won't remember at 3 - but we do them anyway. We say I love you, should we wait until the child is old enough to remember we said it? The child won't remember if you hugged them before bed - should we not do it? There are things you do with a child who is too young to remember because it makes both you and the child feel good at the time. Let's not pretend everything we do with our kids has to have a deep meaning beyond "it was fun". Fun is good. Fun is not a dirty word.

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There are a lot of things your child won't remember at 3 - but we do them anyway. We say I love you, should we wait until the child is old enough to remember we said it? The child won't remember if you hugged them before bed - should we not do it? There are things you do with a child who is too young to remember because it makes both you and the child feel good at the time. Let's not pretend everything we do with our kids has to have a deep meaning beyond "it was fun". Fun is good. Fun is not a dirty word.


 Seriously.  Why do anything fun with your toddler?  They won't remember it, anyway.  But, you know what?  "I" will.  I'll always remember the look of joy on Baby J's face the first time she hugged Minnie Mouse. 



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There are a lot of things your child won't remember at 3 - but we do them anyway. We say I love you, should we wait until the child is old enough to remember we said it? The child won't remember if you hugged them before bed - should we not do it? There are things you do with a child who is too young to remember because it makes both you and the child feel good at the time. Let's not pretend everything we do with our kids has to have a deep meaning beyond "it was fun". Fun is good. Fun is not a dirty word.


It doesn't cost a hundred bucks and hours standing in line in the hot sun to say I love you.

 

Take them to the county fair.  It'll cost $20 and they'll have just as much fun.   

 

Plus, it's a rip-off, anyway. They can't even get on half the rides.  Certainly none of the good ones. 

 

Sure, if you can afford to go every year, or you live in California or Florida--it's not as costly, either.

 

Most people, however, are only going to go once or twice with their kids.  Again, wait until they can remember.  They can have "fun" doing a LOT of other activities.



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It is obvious that you have never been to Disney.

There is no hours of standing in line.

And what rip off?

It was worth every cent each time I have gone.



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It is obvious that you have never been to Disney.

There is no hours of standing in line.

And what rip off?

It was worth every cent each time I have gone.


WTF are you talking about????

 

I've been to Disneyland twice and Disney World twice.   



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Oh, and I didn't say it was generally a rip-off. I said it was a rip-off for small children who can't even go on the best rides.

Although, Disneyland isn't nearly as good as Disneyworld. It was kind of a rip-off. Plus, the concessions are expensive, too.

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Then you are over exaggerating your wait times.

The lines and rides are designed to keep moving.

You are rarely in a line for more than 5-10 minutes.



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Then you are over exaggerating your wait times.

The lines and rides are designed to keep moving.

You are rarely in a line for more than 5-10 minutes.


Most were at least 20--but I wasn't talking hours at one ride, I meant through the day.

 

Even if you only wait 10 minutes for a ride, you'll spend a couple of hours waiting to get on very many during the course of the day.  If it takes 10 minutes to wait, and 10 minutes to ride the ride and get to the next one, that's only three rides an hour if you NEVER have to wait longer than that.   

 

That's a half an hour wait time PER HOUR, so through an eight hour day, you'd be standing in line for FOUR HOURS--and that's using YOUR figure for wait times.



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And in the 3 times I've been during the busiest of summer months, I only had to wait one time in a line that long.

And staying in the resort means you don't have to spend 8 solid hours in the park.

So I guess if you are there for just a day it would become very tedious.



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And in the 3 times I've been during the busiest of summer months, I only had to wait one time in a line that long.

And staying in the resort means you don't have to spend 8 solid hours in the park.

So I guess if you are there for just a day it would become very tedious.


Whatever.  First you said "rarely more than 5-10 minutes".  Now you are saying you don't even have to wait in line. 

 

I call BS.  There are lines.   



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No.

What I said was there was ONE time I waited for ten minutes.

The rest were considerably less wait times.


I've had to wait longer in lines at Six Flags.

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No. You can't even keep track of the nonsense you post. You said you "rarely had to wait more than 5-10 minutes". That would mean you wait for at least 5 minutes every time and 10 minutes some of the time, and on "rare" occasions--more.

But have it your way. Even at 5 minutes wait time that would still be 20 minutes per hour waiting, so for an 8 hour day, that would be more than 2 and 1/2 hours.

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I've been to Disney world several times, as both an adult and as a pre-teen and then teen. It was fun the rides were great, but I don't think it was worth what it cost.

I wish they would go back to the "Ticket" system that used A, B, C, D, and E tickets (anyone else old enough to remember that?). That way you could at least mitigate some of the expense if you mostly wanted to just look around and maybe go on a ride or two.

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I know what I said.

You just want to be a grippy butt.

Between 5-10 minutes could be 5 minutes, or 6 or 7 or 8 or 9.



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Here's an interesting chart of average wait times, at different "crowd levels", for Disney World rides: touringplans.com/magic-kingdom/crowd-levels

Some good rides and their times (at the lowest "crowd level", followed by the highest "crowd level") from that chart are:
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad - 16-35 minutes and 72-120 minutes, respectively
Haunted Mansion - 13-35 minutes and 52-90 minutes, respectively
Space Mountain - 13-64 minutes and 96-175 minutes, respectively


I think I have to agree with huskerbb and say 10 minute waits isn't reasonable to expect.

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And in the 3 times I've been during the busiest of summer months, I only had to wait one time in a line that long.

And staying in the resort means you don't have to spend 8 solid hours in the park.

So I guess if you are there for just a day it would become very tedious.


Whatever.  First you said "rarely more than 5-10 minutes".  Now you are saying you don't even have to wait in line. 

 

I call BS.  There are lines.   


 There are also things called fast passes.  So, if you time your fast passes right and PLAN your day, you can avoid a lot of lines altogether. 

I, personally, know the best time to go to Disney.  I have walked right onto to Space Mountain 3 times in a row without a wait - which normally has the longest line in the Magic Kingdom.  I have ridden Expedition Everest without waiting.  People who just "go" to Disney without research and understanding the crowd flow usually do end up in ridiculous lines.

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And in the 3 times I've been during the busiest of summer months, I only had to wait one time in a line that long.

And staying in the resort means you don't have to spend 8 solid hours in the park.

So I guess if you are there for just a day it would become very tedious.


Whatever.  First you said "rarely more than 5-10 minutes".  Now you are saying you don't even have to wait in line. 

 

I call BS.  There are lines.   


 There are also things called fast passes.  So, if you time your fast passes right and PLAN your day, you can avoid a lot of lines altogether. 

I, personally, know the best time to go to Disney.  I have walked right onto to Space Mountain 3 times in a row without a wait - which normally has the longest line in the Magic Kingdom.  I have ridden Expedition Everest without waiting.  People who just "go" to Disney without research and understanding the crowd flow usually do end up in ridiculous lines.

It's all about planning and timing.





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I kind of think you shouldn't have to do all this "research" just to go to a theme park. And, even at Disney, money talks. Fork over more money, go to the head of the line. Disney can spout all the liberal party line crap, but they are capitalist pigs through and through, lol.

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No. Not at all.

You get a map and a daily event and show schedule.

You don't go first thing and wait for the gates open. You go about an hour later.

You go to the most farthest point of the park and work your way back.

Between 11 and 1 people are looking for food, so you stay out of the eateries.

Around 2 or 3 you go back to your room and chill by the pool, eat, take a nap and go back to the park around 6 or 7.

The park is thinned out pretty good then cause people are exhausted, going to character dinners or jus looking for dinner.

And then people start getting in place for the parade and fireworks and the rides are just about completely empty by then.

And with the extra hour after the park closes, when everyone is stuck in traffic in the parking lot, you're riding rides.

We were there to almost midnight one night.

That was probably the best night.


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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I kind of think you shouldn't have to do all this "research" just to go to a theme park. And, even at Disney, money talks. Fork over more money, go to the head of the line. Disney can spout all the liberal party line crap, but they are capitalist pigs through and through, lol.

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 Nope.  They don't do that at Disney.  You can't buy your way into better tickets. 

 

 



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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And in the 3 times I've been during the busiest of summer months, I only had to wait one time in a line that long.

And staying in the resort means you don't have to spend 8 solid hours in the park.

So I guess if you are there for just a day it would become very tedious.


Whatever.  First you said "rarely more than 5-10 minutes".  Now you are saying you don't even have to wait in line. 

 

I call BS.  There are lines.   


 There are also things called fast passes.  So, if you time your fast passes right and PLAN your day, you can avoid a lot of lines altogether. 

I, personally, know the best time to go to Disney.  I have walked right onto to Space Mountain 3 times in a row without a wait - which normally has the longest line in the Magic Kingdom.  I have ridden Expedition Everest without waiting.  People who just "go" to Disney without research and understanding the crowd flow usually do end up in ridiculous lines.

It's all about planning and timing.



 



And, forking over even more $$$.


 ????  You don't pay for fast passes at Disney. 



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Oops my bad. I was thinking of Cedar Point where you can upgrade to get into the other line, lol.

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And if you are going to spend the money to go to Disney, but can't be bothered to plan your trip -well, whose fault is that, really?

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