It always a gentle dog that doesnt bite....until it does.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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It always a gentle dog that doesnt bite....until it does.

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 Not true.  I have two half pit half lab dogs.  They are awesome dogs and loyal to a fault.  They are loving and kind.  But they are also protective and will go after you if they feel like you are threatening in any way.  At Halloween we put the baby gate up in the front doorway.  They would come to the baby gate and wait and sit to see the kids.  They never barked or lunged but we didn't allow people to pet them either.  We are fully aware of what our dogs are capable of.

I know I think of my dogs as part of the family. Not human parts of the family but definitely part of the family. We care deeply for them, love them, and treat them very well. I have no idea what dogs think they are or aren't. I know ours are very protective.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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I know I think of my dogs as part of the family. Not human parts of the family but definitely part of the family. We care deeply for them, love them, and treat them very well. I have no idea what dogs think they are or aren't. I know ours are very protective.

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Clearly you are doing it right. 

 

Anyone remember George Carlin talking about his pets?

That man was hilarious.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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It always a gentle dog that doesnt bite....until it does.

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 Not true.  I have two half pit half lab dogs.  They are awesome dogs and loyal to a fault.  They are loving and kind.  But they are also protective and will go after you if they feel like you are threatening in any way.  At Halloween we put the baby gate up in the front doorway.  They would come to the baby gate and wait and sit to see the kids.  They never barked or lunged but we didn't allow people to pet them either.  We are fully aware of what our dogs are capable of.

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 How does you having two dogs that haven't bit make her statement untrue?  Because the owner of this dog thought the same way you do. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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If I'm reading this right,

there were three little girls playing in the yard ...

two of them lived there ...

 

and the dog probably thought the third loud critter was attacking the two who were members of its' pack.

 

So it protected them from the intruder.

 

 

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 That is NOT an acceptable reasoning in a society with PEOPLE around all the time.

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My point is that the owner of this dog probably never considered this a possibility, and failed to train the dog and restrain the dog properly. 

 

Dogs, all dogs, have always scared me. I've owned a few, too. One I had to put down for attacking me in the backyard when I came home sick. Three were the sweetest pets ever.

Dogs are animals and can turn on a dime. That's something people tend to forget.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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It always a gentle dog that doesnt bite....until it does.

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 Not true.  I have two half pit half lab dogs.  They are awesome dogs and loyal to a fault.  They are loving and kind.  But they are also protective and will go after you if they feel like you are threatening in any way.  At Halloween we put the baby gate up in the front doorway.  They would come to the baby gate and wait and sit to see the kids.  They never barked or lunged but we didn't allow people to pet them either.  We are fully aware of what our dogs are capable of.

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 How does you having two dogs that haven't bit make her statement untrue?  Because the owner of this dog thought the same way you do. 

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 What I MEANT was that her statement was false because all dogs are CAPABLE of biting.  Not just gentle ones or caring ones or whatever ones.  Even the cute little tiny ones are capable of doing damage under the right circumstances.  Maybe that means her statement is true.  Dunno.  I never ever have uttered even once in my life "A gentle dog doesn't bite."

And just an FYI, for all the pit bull haters I have read a couple stories where poodles or other small breeds attacked.  In one of them a poodle chewed off the foot of an infant in a baby swing.  In another one of the smaller dogs attacked the face of an infant.  Dog owners need to not assume their dog is perfect.

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 I would never trust a poodle, or most small dogs for that matter.

No dog is perfect except mine. 

And I'm not a pit bull hater. I've met too many lovely pit bulls and pit bull mixes. But they have the highest incident for turning on people, and that really cannot be ignored. Most dog attacks are by pit bulls and pit mixes - that is not something that can be disputed. Yes, you'll hear the occasional poodle, german sheppard, or chow attack, but overwhelmingly the attacks involve pit bulls.

Now, I certainly don't want to take anyone's pet away, but I don't think we need to keep breeding them. There is no valid reasoning to keep making more dogs that have a higher tendency to turn than any other.

Our BORDER COLLIE--A sweet, intelligent, herding breed--Threatened one of our workers for blowing in the face of a kitten. The kitten was purring and happy, but Puck hates it when people sneeze or blow on anything (including hot tea) and thought he was attacking the kitten. She charged at him, and would have bit if I hadn't grabbed her collar.

Any and every dog will bite under the right circumstances.

Oh, but it's such a friendly dog. It would never bite anyone.

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Our BORDER COLLIE--A sweet, intelligent, herding breed--Threatened one of our workers for blowing in the face of a kitten. The kitten was purring and happy, but Puck hates it when people sneeze or blow on anything (including hot tea) and thought he was attacking the kitten. She charged at him, and would have bit if I hadn't grabbed her collar.

Any and every dog will bite under the right circumstances.

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Not if they are trained.

 

I had a buddy who had a dog for 18 years.  When it was a grown pup (probably just under a year old)--it snapped at one of his little nieces for messing around with it's food bowl. 

 

My buddy took care of it--and that dog never snapped, growled, or even barked threateningly at anyone again for the next 17 years.   

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 You are delusional.

A scared dog, an injured dog, a threatened dog?  They will bite, training be damned. A loyal dog, a faithful dog, they will bite a stranger, or even a friend if they think whatever they protect and love is being threatened.

Puck would never, ever bite a child for stealing her dish. She has had a baby fall on her, grab her ears, poke at her eyes, etc, and she simply stayed put.  

 

If the same baby started to cry when a stranger picked her up, stranger might get bitten. 

ANY dog, EVERY dog will bite under the right circumstances, training be damned.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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And I'm not a pit bull hater. I've met too many lovely pit bulls and pit bull mixes. But they have the highest incident for turning on people, and that really cannot be ignored. Most dog attacks are by pit bulls and pit mixes - that is not something that can be disputed. Yes, you'll hear the occasional poodle, german sheppard, or chow attack, but overwhelmingly the attacks involve pit bulls.

Now, I certainly don't want to take anyone's pet away, but I don't think we need to keep breeding them. There is no valid reasoning to keep making more dogs that have a higher tendency to turn than any other.

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 This, exactly.

I would not leave my kids with anyone who had a pit or rotty when they were little.

I don't care how well trained or gentle or whatever the dog is.

Sorry but I think pit bulls are dangerous animals no matter who trains them. I dont' like them and I don't like seeing them around kids.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Our BORDER COLLIE--A sweet, intelligent, herding breed--Threatened one of our workers for blowing in the face of a kitten. The kitten was purring and happy, but Puck hates it when people sneeze or blow on anything (including hot tea) and thought he was attacking the kitten. She charged at him, and would have bit if I hadn't grabbed her collar.

Any and every dog will bite under the right circumstances.

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Not if they are trained.

 

I had a buddy who had a dog for 18 years.  When it was a grown pup (probably just under a year old)--it snapped at one of his little nieces for messing around with it's food bowl. 

 

My buddy took care of it--and that dog never snapped, growled, or even barked threateningly at anyone again for the next 17 years.   

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 You are delusional.

A scared dog, an injured dog, a threatened dog?  They will bite, training be damned. A loyal dog, a faithful dog, they will bite a stranger, or even a friend if they think whatever they protect and love is being threatened.

Puck would never, ever bite a child for stealing her dish. She has had a baby fall on her, grab her ears, poke at her eyes, etc, and she simply stayed put.  

 

If the same baby started to cry when a stranger picked her up, stranger might get bitten. 

ANY dog, EVERY dog will bite under the right circumstances, training be damned.

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Even I would bite under certain circumstances.

 

DS2 once asked me if I could kill someone.

I said "Yes, if he was standing over you with a bat, and I thought he was going to hit you in the head."

 

 

huskerbb wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Our BORDER COLLIE--A sweet, intelligent, herding breed--Threatened one of our workers for blowing in the face of a kitten. The kitten was purring and happy, but Puck hates it when people sneeze or blow on anything (including hot tea) and thought he was attacking the kitten. She charged at him, and would have bit if I hadn't grabbed her collar.

Any and every dog will bite under the right circumstances.

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Not if they are trained.

 

I had a buddy who had a dog for 18 years.  When it was a grown pup (probably just under a year old)--it snapped at one of his little nieces for messing around with it's food bowl. 

 

My buddy took care of it--and that dog never snapped, growled, or even barked threateningly at anyone again for the next 17 years.   

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 You are delusional.

A scared dog, an injured dog, a threatened dog?  They will bite, training be damned. A loyal dog, a faithful dog, they will bite a stranger, or even a friend if they think whatever they protect and love is being threatened.

Puck would never, ever bite a child for stealing her dish. She has had a baby fall on her, grab her ears, poke at her eyes, etc, and she simply stayed put.  

 

If the same baby started to cry when a stranger picked her up, stranger might get bitten. 

ANY dog, EVERY dog will bite under the right circumstances, training be damned.

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 Not if you train them.  

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 By 'train', you mean beat the sh!t out of them.

And no, if you have an injured or scared dog, it won't  make a difference. 

And why would you WANT a dog that would not protect your family from a perceived threat??? 

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 Whatever works.  It's better than the dog killing some 9 year old girl.  Where was the threat there?

where was the threat when your worker blew in a kittens face and your dumb dog had to be restrained?  Train the fvcker.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Monday 9th of November 2015 05:43:24 PM

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 She perceived a threat where there wasn't  one, and was corrected and reassured. Thirty seconds later, she watched the game closely, but remained sitting. 

 

I was bit by a little poodle. Had been around this poodle since he was brought into the house as a 7 week old puppy.

He was in my lap, I was playing with him and I accidentally pulled his hair.

He snapped at me and got my finger.

Monster has bit eacheaper of us. Not hard.

But while playing.

Had a timber wolf. She never bit anyone.

Not even when someone broke into the house.

But she chased them out.

I could lay Caitlyn on the floor as a baby and Sheba would curl up around her.

My toy poodle on the other hand, couldn't be let around her.

I had to find a new home for him because he did not like her at all and tried bitting her all the time.

Dogs bite.

The ones you think never would are the ones that do.

And the ones that have been the worst didn't growl or show any aggressive behavior at all.

They just bit.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Our BORDER COLLIE--A sweet, intelligent, herding breed--Threatened one of our workers for blowing in the face of a kitten. The kitten was purring and happy, but Puck hates it when people sneeze or blow on anything (including hot tea) and thought he was attacking the kitten. She charged at him, and would have bit if I hadn't grabbed her collar.

Any and every dog will bite under the right circumstances.

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Not if they are trained.

 

I had a buddy who had a dog for 18 years.  When it was a grown pup (probably just under a year old)--it snapped at one of his little nieces for messing around with it's food bowl. 

 

My buddy took care of it--and that dog never snapped, growled, or even barked threateningly at anyone again for the next 17 years.   

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 You are delusional.

A scared dog, an injured dog, a threatened dog?  They will bite, training be damned. A loyal dog, a faithful dog, they will bite a stranger, or even a friend if they think whatever they protect and love is being threatened.

Puck would never, ever bite a child for stealing her dish. She has had a baby fall on her, grab her ears, poke at her eyes, etc, and she simply stayed put.  

 

If the same baby started to cry when a stranger picked her up, stranger might get bitten. 

ANY dog, EVERY dog will bite under the right circumstances, training be damned.

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 Not if you train them.  

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 By 'train', you mean beat the sh!t out of them.

And no, if you have an injured or scared dog, it won't  make a difference. 

And why would you WANT a dog that would not protect your family from a perceived threat??? 

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 Whatever works.  It's better than the dog killing some 9 year old girl.  Where was the threat there?

where was the threat when your worker blew in a kittens face and your dumb dog had to be restrained?  Train the fvcker.

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 She perceived a threat where there wasn't  one, and was corrected and reassured. Thirty seconds later, she watched the game closely, but remained sitting. 

 

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Using YOUR words, you had to grab her collar or she would have bit him.  That's not correcting or training the dog.  That is you happening to be in the right place at the right time.   

Like I said, a dog has never bitten someone, Until it did. So, too late for the 9 yr old girl. If you want to ignore the Physical facts about pit bulls and their powerful jaws and expose your children to them, then I guess you may. Unfortunately other people's children become the carnage of those who choose to own these kinds of dogs.

Well, people don't generally breed **** er Spaniels to be fighting dogs. Nor do they generally breed Poodles to be fighting dogs. There are certain dogs that are bred to be fighting dogs. They are treated badly on purpose so that they will fight. When the breeders get tired of them they dump them. That's the real problem.

Here's the little girl who was mauled:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3310992/Pictured-nine-year-old-girl-mauled-death-80lb-pit-bull-playdate.html

Pitbull type dogs, are the target of bad press.

When I was a kid, German Shepherds, and Doberman Pincers, were the "Devil".

A few years later, Rotties were thrown in to the mix.

Dogs, are animals. No matter how nice, or gentle they might be, under normal circumstances. They are dogs. Not people.

They should be supervised, at all times.

Especially, around children.

Pitbull/ bull-type mixed dogs, have really gotten some bad press, in the last 10 or 15 years.

No, they don't have locking jaws. (No dog does.)

No, they don't bite as hard as an alligator, which has a bite strength of around 2100 psi.  (No dog, can bite that hard. Not even a Mastiff, with a bite strength of around 550 psi. Which can exert a lot more pressure, than a Pitbull, which has a bite strength at around 235psi.) Less than a German Shepard, a Rottweiler, a Doberman, or, the top bite strength dog, a Mastiff.

I guess my point is, NEVER trust an animal, around a child.

Not a dog, not a cat, gosh, I wouldn't trust a hamster alone, with a child!

They are animals. (and, I have a house full!)

I love them, but, I don't expect them to be humans.

I always, take care.

Better safe, than sorry.

JMHO.