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Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

RE: Girl, 9, dies after pit bull attack

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

She's dead. Killed by a pitbull. There is a long list of kids killed by pitbulls. If you want to ignore that and argue over jaw psi then i suppose we can.

huskerbb · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Pitbull type dogs, are the target of bad press.
When I was a kid, German Shepherds, and Doberman Pincers, were the "Devil".
A few years later, Rotties were thrown in to the mix.
Dogs, are animals. No matter how nice, or gentle they might be, under normal circumstances. They are dogs. Not people.
They should be supervised, at all times.
Especially, around children.
Pitbull/ bull-type mixed dogs, have really gotten some bad press, in the last 10 or 15 years.
No, they don't have locking jaws. (No dog does.)
No, they don't bite as hard as an alligator, which has a bite strength of around 2100 psi. (No dog, can bite that hard. Not even a Mastiff, with a bite strength of around 550 psi. Which can exert a lot more pressure, than a Pitbull, which has a bite strength at around 235psi.) Less than a German Shepard, a Rottweiler, a Doberman, or, the top bite strength dog, a Mastiff.
I guess my point is, NEVER trust an animal, around a child.
Not a dog, not a cat, gosh, I wouldn't trust a hamster alone, with a child!
They are animals. (and, I have a house full!)
I love them, but, I don't expect them to be humans.
I always, take care.
Better safe, than sorry.
JMHO.

That's bull. If you can't trust your dog around your kids--then get rid of that damn dog. Many people get pets FOR their kids. If the kids can't be around them without you being there--then there's no point in doing it.

huskerbb · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Obviously its jaw was strong enough to kill a 9 yr old girl. I dont see a lot of dachsunds doing that.
And obviously, you spread a bunch of misinformation around, claiming that Pitbulls bite as hard as an alligator.
It's very sad, that the little girl was killed.
I blame the owner of the dog, for not being more careful.
That shouldn't have happened.

Who cares? A child is DEAD.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
She's dead. Killed by a pitbull. There is a long list of kids killed by pitbulls. If you want to ignore that and argue over jaw psi then i suppose we can.

She's dead.

And, that is terrible. cry

Pitbulls are the "Devil Dog", who will get the most bad press, in this day and age.

( I still contend, that you shouldn't trust any dog, with children, unsupervised.)

As far as the rest of the bull**** you post, about Pitbulls biting harder than an alligator?

Get a grip.

No dog can bite that hard.

huskerbb · Guru

Also, again, find me ONE article where a c0cker spaniel has killed a kid.

Some dogs you can trust around kids--just not pit bulls.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

huskerbb wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Obviously its jaw was strong enough to kill a 9 yr old girl. I dont see a lot of dachsunds doing that.
And obviously, you spread a bunch of misinformation around, claiming that Pitbulls bite as hard as an alligator.
It's very sad, that the little girl was killed.
I blame the owner of the dog, for not being more careful.
That shouldn't have happened.
Who cares? A child is DEAD.

So, let's kill all the dogs, Husker.

I guess that would solve the problem.

Kill them all!

All dogs should die!

Right?

-- Edited by Fort Worth Mom on Monday 9th of November 2015 11:22:36 PM

huskerbb · Guru

There's a reason some animals are kept as pets and not others. In general, bears don't have a bad disposition, but we don't keep them as pets because on the occasions where they don't have a good disposition--they are very dangerous.

A beagle could go crazy and wouldn't be able to kill a healthy 9 year old kid. A pit bull can.

huskerbb · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Obviously its jaw was strong enough to kill a 9 yr old girl. I dont see a lot of dachsunds doing that.
And obviously, you spread a bunch of misinformation around, claiming that Pitbulls bite as hard as an alligator.
It's very sad, that the little girl was killed.
I blame the owner of the dog, for not being more careful.
That shouldn't have happened.
Who cares? A child is DEAD.
So, let's kill all the dogs, Husker.
I guess that would solve the problem.
Kill them all!
All dogs should die!
Right?

-- Edited by Fort Worth Mom on Monday 9th of November 2015 11:22:36 PM

No. Let's kill dogs that have the propensity to kill or severely hurt humans when they aren't supposed to (which is almost all of the time except for a few instances like police dogs, and even they are trained not to kill).

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

huskerbb wrote:
There's a reason some animals are kept as pets and not others. In general, bears don't have a bad disposition, but we don't keep them as pets because on the occasions where they don't have a good disposition--they are very dangerous.

A beagle could go crazy and wouldn't be able to kill a healthy 9 year old kid. A pit bull can.

And, so can a Mastiff, a Rottie, a German Shepherd, a Doberman....

All can be great pets, if they have the right owners.

Picking on Pitbulls, doesn't make sense.

Yes, they get more bad press.

There is a reason, for that.

And, it has nothing to do with the dog.

huskerbb · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
There's a reason some animals are kept as pets and not others. In general, bears don't have a bad disposition, but we don't keep them as pets because on the occasions where they don't have a good disposition--they are very dangerous.

A beagle could go crazy and wouldn't be able to kill a healthy 9 year old kid. A pit bull can.
And, so can a Mastiff, a Rottie, a German Shepherd, a Doberman....
All can be great pets, if they have the right owners.
Picking on Pitbulls, doesn't make sense.
Yes, they get more bad press.
There is a reason, for that.
And, it has nothing to do with the dog.

Sure, there are a few other breeds.

It has EVERYTHING to do with the dog.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

huskerbb wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
There's a reason some animals are kept as pets and not others. In general, bears don't have a bad disposition, but we don't keep them as pets because on the occasions where they don't have a good disposition--they are very dangerous.

A beagle could go crazy and wouldn't be able to kill a healthy 9 year old kid. A pit bull can.
And, so can a Mastiff, a Rottie, a German Shepherd, a Doberman....
All can be great pets, if they have the right owners.
Picking on Pitbulls, doesn't make sense.
Yes, they get more bad press.
There is a reason, for that.
And, it has nothing to do with the dog.
Sure, there are a few other breeds.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the dog.

With that attitude, get rid of all dogs, husker.

Pitbulls, score just behind Labs, as the calmest, nicest dogs.

They are nice, by nature.

It has nothing to do with the dog.

It's ALL on the owner, of the dog.

No matter, what breed the dog might be.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

No it's breed too. You cant ignore that. You cant pretend that a lion makes a great pet and ignore the risks. Having a pet bear or lion is different than having a pet mouse.

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Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
There's a reason some animals are kept as pets and not others. In general, bears don't have a bad disposition, but we don't keep them as pets because on the occasions where they don't have a good disposition--they are very dangerous.

A beagle could go crazy and wouldn't be able to kill a healthy 9 year old kid. A pit bull can.
And, so can a Mastiff, a Rottie, a German Shepherd, a Doberman....
All can be great pets, if they have the right owners.
Picking on Pitbulls, doesn't make sense.
Yes, they get more bad press.
There is a reason, for that.
And, it has nothing to do with the dog.
Sure, there are a few other breeds.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the dog.
With that attitude, get rid of all dogs, husker.
Pitbulls, score just behind Labs, as the calmest, nicest dogs.
They are nice, by nature.
It has nothing to do with the dog.
It's ALL on the owner, of the dog.
No matter, what breed the dog might be.

I'm sorry, FWM, but that is just not always the case. Yes, there are bad owners, but you are assuming every one of them is bad, when everyone around is shocked about what the dog did.

The problem is that over time people have trained pit bulls to be aggressive killers, and that is being handed down when they have puppies. It's not a nanny dog, anymore. People have ruined them.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There are animals that are wild that we dont' find to be appropriate bets. There are animals that are domesticated like cats and dogs these dogs still have that "wild" factor inside of them making them a crap shoot.

Q: Why do people say that pit bulls "don't let go?"

Through selective breeding, pit bulls have developed enormous jaw strength, as well as a ruinous "hold and shake" bite style, designed to inflict the maximum damage possible on their victims. This bite trait delivered winning results in the fighting pit. When the Colorado Supreme Court upheld the Denver pit bull ban in 2005, the high court set aside characteristics that pit bulls displayed when they attack that differ from all other dog breeds. One of these characteristics was their lethal bite:

"[pit bulls] inflict more serious wounds than other breeds. They tend to attack the deep muscles, to hold on, to shake, and to cause ripping of tissues. Pit bull attacks were compared to shark attacks."13

Leading pit bull education websites, such as Pit Bull Rescue Central, encourage pit bull owners to be responsible and to always carry a "break stick" -- a tool used to pry open a pit bull's jaws -- in case their dog "accidentally" gets into a fight. These same websites also warn that using a break stick on any other dog breed may cause serious injury to the person.14 This is true because no other dog breed possesses the pit bull's tenacity combined with a "hold and shake" bite style.

One of the most powerful examples of a pit bull "not letting go" occurred in an Ohio courtroom. During the Toledo v. Tellings trial (Tellings was convicted of violating the City of Toledo's pit bull ordinance), Lucas County Dog Warden Tom Skeldon showed a videotape of a tranquilized pit bull hanging from a steel cable. The dog is essentially unconscious and still does not release its grip. At the time of the taping, the pit bull was being housed at the Lucas County Animal Shelter.15

Q: Do pit bulls bite more than other dogs?

Depending upon the community in which you live and the ratio of pit bulls within it, yes and no. But whether a pit bull bites more or less than another dog breed is not the point. The issue is the acute damage a pit bull inflicts when it does choose to bite. The pit bull's "hold and shake" bite style causes severe bone and muscle damage, often inflicting permanent and disfiguring injuries. Moreover, once a pit bull starts an attack, firearm intervention may be the only way to stop it.

When analyzing dog bite statistics, it is important to understand what constitutes a bite. A single bite -- recorded and used in dog bite statistics -- is a bite that "breaks the skin." One bite by a poodle that leaves two puncture wounds is recorded the same way as a pit bull mauling, which can constitute hundreds of puncture wounds and extensive soft tissue loss. Despite the "quagmire" of dog bite statistics, pit bulls are leading bite counts across U.S. cities and counties.16

Q: How come pit bull owners say, "My dog might lick you to death."

To understand the experience of owning a negatively perceived dog, Tufts Center for Animals and Public Policy did a study on pit bull owners. Researchers found that owners of out-law dog breeds directly feel the stigma targeted at their breed and resort to various tactics to lessen it. One of the tactics included attempts to counterbalance the pit bull's menacing appearance and physical power with overwhelming "affectionate" behavior, such as: "My dog might lick you to death."17

Q: Why does my friend say, "Pit bulls are dog-aggressive not human-aggressive?"

Due to selective breeding for the purposes of dogfighting, pit bulls are highly dog-aggressive. This aggression is not limited to dogs; pit bulls frequently kill other companion pets and domesticated animals. Leading pit bull education websites warn pit bull owners to, "Never trust your pit bull not to fight." These same websites also state that pit bulls should never be left alone with another dog or animal.18 The practical question is: Why is "pit bull dog aggression" tolerated at all?

Pit bull dog aggression is unacceptable for two reasons. In many instances it leads to human aggression. A common scenario is the following: A loose pit bull attacks a leashed dog being walked by its owner. The owner gets seriously injured trying to stop the attack. In 2009, two human beings suffered death due to pit bull dog aggression: Rosie Humphreys, who had been walking her two poodles, and Carter Delaney, who had tried to protect a smaller dog in his home.

Secondly, far too many beloved companion pets and domesticated animals suffer a violent death by the powerful jaws of pit bull terriers each year. In some instances, these attacks involve pit bulls charging through screen doors of private homes -- in a home invasion attack -- to kill the pet living inside.19 Owners of the pet are then forced to watch as their pet is disemboweled by the pit bull and pray that the dog does not turn its attention on an innocent family member next.

www.dogsbite.org/dangerous-dogs-pit-bull-faq.php

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Yes - all of through "selective breeding". The breed is NOT the same as it used to be - people have changed them. It's a shame, but ignoring the facts and numbers is just not a responsible thing to do.

huskerbb · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
There's a reason some animals are kept as pets and not others. In general, bears don't have a bad disposition, but we don't keep them as pets because on the occasions where they don't have a good disposition--they are very dangerous.

A beagle could go crazy and wouldn't be able to kill a healthy 9 year old kid. A pit bull can.
And, so can a Mastiff, a Rottie, a German Shepherd, a Doberman....
All can be great pets, if they have the right owners.
Picking on Pitbulls, doesn't make sense.
Yes, they get more bad press.
There is a reason, for that.
And, it has nothing to do with the dog.
Sure, there are a few other breeds.
It has EVERYTHING to do with the dog.
With that attitude, get rid of all dogs, husker.
Pitbulls, score just behind Labs, as the calmest, nicest dogs.
They are nice, by nature.
It has nothing to do with the dog.
It's ALL on the owner, of the dog.
No matter, what breed the dog might be.

bullCrap. There are a hundred times more instances of pit Bulls doing something like this than labs--even though they are relatively the same size.

So by your theory, pit bull owners are crappy dog owners and lab owners are Mostly all good owners. bs

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

thousands, acutally.