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I believe you have gotten some bad information there huskerbb.

They do not believe in the Trinity, but they do believe Jesus to be the Son of God. You should check out their own webpage if you want to know about them, not some other link. Here's what they think about Jesus: www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/who-is-jesus-christ/

Especially important on that link to disprove what you just said is:

Jesus is Jehovah’s most precious Son—and for good reason. He is called “the firstborn of all creation,” for he was God’s first creation. * (Colossians 1:15) There is something else that makes this Son special. He is the “only-begotten Son.” (John 3:16) This means that Jesus is the only one directly created by God. Jesus is also the only one whom God used when He created all other things. (Colossians 1:16) Then, too, Jesus is called “the Word.” (John 1:14) This tells us that he spoke for God, no doubt delivering messages and instructions to the Father’s other sons, both spirit and human.


 You have the bad information.  They believe he is the son of God, but they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and thus do not believe he is the savior--which is the fundamental tenet of Christianity.  They are not Christian.  



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 Thank you for proving my point.  He is a "man who changed the world"--which is not what Christians believe.

 

Christians believe that Jesus Christ is true God, begotten of the father before all worlds through which mankind has salvation.

 

MANY people believe that Jesus Christ was a great man and a prophet, including Muslims.  They are not Christian Simply because they believe that.  



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Of course he changed the world!

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Of course he changed the world!

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 Sure, and you believe that.  Does that make you a Christian?  Of course not.  There is MUCH more to it than that.



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Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.

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Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You know everything you have to take, right?  It has gotten crazy. 



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Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You only have to renew your license every 15 years?



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huskerbb wrote:
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Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You only have to renew your license every 15 years?


I have to renew every 10 years, but I can do it online.  I don't even look like the person in my picture anymore... 



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Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You only have to renew your license every 15 years?


 It's 10 now. 



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I just renewed my license Weds. It has been several years.

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Geez. We have to do it every five.

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For people that want a new picture, we have kiosks that do it. You scan in your old license, stand still for the camera, and it spits a new one out. Don't even have to deal with those angry people...

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And I just changed my address online.

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And I just changed my address online.


Yeah, my address on my license is from 2 houses ago.  It's correct in the system, but not on my license... 



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And I just changed my address online.


Yeah, my address on my license is from 2 houses ago.  It's correct in the system, but not on my license... 


 WEll, I assume they are going to send me a new one.  Are they not?



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And I just changed my address online.


Yeah, my address on my license is from 2 houses ago.  It's correct in the system, but not on my license... 


 WEll, I assume they are going to send me a new one.  Are they not?


 They dont in TN.



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Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You know everything you have to take, right?  It has gotten crazy. 


 I think so.

Birth certificate

Proof of address

Social security card

Credit report

Two letters of reference 

Blood type

And while there I will be fingerprinted, swabed, photographed and cavity searched.

 



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Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You know everything you have to take, right?  It has gotten crazy. 


 I think so.

Birth certificate

Proof of address

Social security card

Credit report

Two letters of reference 

Blood type

And while there I will be fingerprinted, swabed, photographed and cavity searched.

 


 And if you still have your married name - your marriage license.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You know everything you have to take, right?  It has gotten crazy. 


 I think so.

Birth certificate

Proof of address

Social security card

Credit report

Two letters of reference 

Blood type

And while there I will be fingerprinted, swabed, photographed and cavity searched.

 


 And if you still have your married name - your marriage license.


 Oh crap. 

Well. That's the one thing I know where it is.

You think they'll mind all the little holes? Had to have some to throw the darts at.



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Seriously though, you need more proof of who you are to renew a DL than to buy a house, get a credit card or be president now.

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lilyofcourse wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Speaking of drivers license, I have to renew mine by the end of February this coming year.

First time in 15 years.

Not looking forward to it at all.


 You know everything you have to take, right?  It has gotten crazy. 


 I think so.

Birth certificate

Proof of address

Social security card

Credit report

Two letters of reference 

Blood type

And while there I will be fingerprinted, swabed, photographed and cavity searched.

 


 And if you still have your married name - your marriage license.


 Oh crap. 

Well. That's the one thing I know where it is.

You think they'll mind all the little holes? Had to have some to throw the darts at.


 Now aren't you glad we had this conversation before you went?



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They believe he is the son of God, but they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and thus do not believe he is the savior--which is the fundamental tenet of Christianity. They are not Christian.
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Splitting hairs, huskerbb. They believe in the message that Jesus brings about his and our Father, God. They believe him to be the Son of God, and the onle "begotten" one at that.

Believing Christ to be the savior may be a fundamental tenet of our version of Christianity, but it's not a requirement of all denominations or sects. That's just the ego of "My way is the only right way" of many religions as well as of many denominations of Christianity.

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Wow...that is so effed up.

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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

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 All the Protestant denominations do agree that the Bible is VERY, VERY, VERY clear that the only way to eternal life is through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior and belief in him as the living son of God.  That is the basic tenant of Christianity.  If you don't believe that - you are not Christian.  You may be some other religion, but it is not Christianity. 



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The Bible IS the word of God and if you're just picking and choosing the easy parts then you're not really being a Christian no matter how many times you pretend you are. Like I said Christian light in our instant gratification, feel good world.

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huskerbb wrote:

Geez. We have to do it every five.


 Husker, most states have the every five year thing too.  But you don't have to update your photo meaning you can renew on line.



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Geez. We have to do it every five.


 Husker, most states have the every five year thing too.  But you don't have to update your photo meaning you can renew on line.


 Now I need to find my DL & see when it expires...

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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

flan


 All the Protestant denominations do agree that the Bible is VERY, VERY, VERY clear that the only way to eternal life is through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior and belief in him as the living son of God.  That is the basic tenant of Christianity.  If you don't believe that - you are not Christian.  You may be some other religion, but it is not Christianity. 



Nothing means anything anymore LL. Men are not men and women are not women. That is now a meaningless term. And, even a Dem President didnt' know the meaning of "is". Liberals use language to try to alter reality. If they say it is so, then it is so despite what reality is.

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They believe he is the son of God, but they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and thus do not believe he is the savior--which is the fundamental tenet of Christianity. They are not Christian.
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Splitting hairs, huskerbb. They believe in the message that Jesus brings about his and our Father, God. They believe him to be the Son of God, and the onle "begotten" one at that.

Believing Christ to be the savior may be a fundamental tenet of our version of Christianity, but it's not a requirement of all denominations or sects. That's just the ego of "My way is the only right way" of many religions as well as of many denominations of Christianity.


 No, it's not splitting hairs.  Belief in Jesus as God and Savior IS the very essence of Christianity.  It's a requirement of being a Christian.  

 

Its ts like saying you are a Buddhist, but then not believing in Buddha's teachings as to what the path to enlightenment is.  

 

 



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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

flan


 All Christian denominations agree That the path to salvation is Jesus Christ as God and Savior of the world.  



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The Bible is called the word of God for a reason. It's what Christianity is based on. I'm not sure how you can be a Christian yet think you can pick and choose to believe only the easy parts. Nothing worthwhile is gained by a halfhearted show of faith. It's not like you get a participation award just because you CALL yourself a Christian.

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huskerbb wrote:
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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

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 All Christian denominations agree That the path to salvation is Jesus Christ as God and Savior of the world.  


That makes sense. The differences are small things, then.

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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

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 All Christian denominations agree That the path to salvation is Jesus Christ as God and Savior of the world.  


That makes sense. The differences are small things, then.

flan


 I don't know if Id use the word "small" exactly--but many of the differences even most denominations recognize are not essential points as far as ones salvation goes.  They are differences in practice, political stances, etc..  

 

I wouldnt call call them unimportant, but they are not differences in the core beliefs as to what the central message of Christianity is.



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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

flan


 All Christian denominations agree That the path to salvation is Jesus Christ as God and Savior of the world.  


That makes sense. The differences are small things, then.

flan


 I don't know if Id use the word "small" exactly--but many of the differences even most denominations recognize are not essential points as far as ones salvation goes.  They are differences in practice, political stances, etc..  

 

I wouldnt call call them unimportant, but they are not differences in the core beliefs as to what the central message of Christianity is.


 Yeah, I couldn't think of the right word.

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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

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 All Christian denominations agree That the path to salvation is Jesus Christ as God and Savior of the world.  


That makes sense. The differences are small things, then.

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 The differences usually come down to traditions.



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Why? When all Protestant denominations can't even agree? What does that say?

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 All Christian denominations agree That the path to salvation is Jesus Christ as God and Savior of the world.  


That makes sense. The differences are small things, then.

flan


 The differences usually come down to traditions.


There are differences in doctrine, but all true Christian denominations agree on the central points of the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ, the path to salvation through Jesus Christ, and generally subscribe to the three ecumenical creeds--even if they don't use them in practice.


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The United Church of Christ doesn't believe in the Trinity. That shoots a hole in your "all true Christian denominations agree on the central points of the Trinity" theory huskerbb.

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They believe he is the son of God, but they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and thus do not believe he is the savior--which is the fundamental tenet of Christianity. They are not Christian.
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Splitting hairs, huskerbb. They believe in the message that Jesus brings about his and our Father, God. They believe him to be the Son of God, and the onle "begotten" one at that.

Believing Christ to be the savior may be a fundamental tenet of our version of Christianity, but it's not a requirement of all denominations or sects. That's just the ego of "My way is the only right way" of many religions as well as of many denominations of Christianity.


 No, it's not splitting hairs.  Belief in Jesus as God and Savior IS the very essence of Christianity.  It's a requirement of being a Christian.  

 

Its ts like saying you are a Buddhist, but then not believing in Buddha's teachings as to what the path to enlightenment is.  

 

 


 Buddhists never considered Buddha a deity.

Therefore, they could believe in his teachings while not attributing the parameters of godhood to him.



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So you are going to put your faith in writings in which you have no faith that there is any accuarcy or authentism? Oh ok. Makes perfect sense.

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The United Church of Christ doesn't believe in the Trinity. That shoots a hole in your "all true Christian denominations agree on the central points of the Trinity" theory huskerbb.


 BS.  They do believe in the Trinity, so it doesn't shoot a hole in anything.

 

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They believe he is the son of God, but they do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and thus do not believe he is the savior--which is the fundamental tenet of Christianity. They are not Christian.
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Splitting hairs, huskerbb. They believe in the message that Jesus brings about his and our Father, God. They believe him to be the Son of God, and the onle "begotten" one at that.

Believing Christ to be the savior may be a fundamental tenet of our version of Christianity, but it's not a requirement of all denominations or sects. That's just the ego of "My way is the only right way" of many religions as well as of many denominations of Christianity.


 No, it's not splitting hairs.  Belief in Jesus as God and Savior IS the very essence of Christianity.  It's a requirement of being a Christian.  

 

Its ts like saying you are a Buddhist, but then not believing in Buddha's teachings as to what the path to enlightenment is.  

 

 


 Buddhists never considered Buddha a deity.

Therefore, they could believe in his teachings while not attributing the parameters of godhood to him.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 24th of November 2015 12:03:26 AM


 I didn't say they did.  Try reading.



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They aren't christians, either, so no it does not. religion isn't self labeling. You have to subscribe to certain beliefs to be a member of that religion.
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They aren't christians, either, so no it does not. religion isn't self labeling. You have to subscribe to certain beliefs to be a member of that religion.
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 There are such a thing as false churches, WYS.

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I understand there are false churches. Westboro Baptist comes to mind as a perfect example.

There's a difference that huskerbb is not accepting between "false" and "different interpretation"

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I understand there are false churches. Westboro Baptist comes to mind as a perfect example.

There's a difference that huskerbb is not accepting between "false" and "different interpretation"


 Splitting hairs. Westboro's interpretation is different. It's also false. You cite Westboro as an example of a false church. So, why does their different interpretation make that church false but another church's different interpretation doesn't do the same?



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Westboro is all about hate. God is not about hate.

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Your interpretation is obviously about you. You don't have to believe in Gods writings, if you don't like what the Church says about something you just discount it, anything difficult you just claim it's man made. I've never heard of that branch of Christianity.

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Westboro is all about hate. God is not about hate.


 Hate is not the only indication of a false church.



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