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I don't like chocolate or coffee.

"Oh, you have to have a piece of this chocolate cake!"
"No, thank you."
"You can worry about your diet tomorrow!"
"I'm not on a diet, thank you."
"Then have some cake!"
"No thank you. I don't like cake."
"What's WRONG with you?!


 I don't know who ya'll are eating with.

A simple "no thank you" is the end of it with people in my circle.

Every now and then you get asked if you're sure you won't have some. But that's it.

 



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So here we have it.

Guest shouldn't have to eat anything they don't like, ever.

Host shouldn't have to cater to picky eaters.

Kind of an impasse at this point.


I don't see it as an impasse.

The host provides the meal.

The guests will put what they like on their plates, and avoid what they don't like.

Hopefully, no one will make a big deal about it, on either side.

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But why should she eat something she knows she doesn't like? So that you feel better? Seems silly.

If a guest is a picky eater, I don't worry much about it. That is their issue. Not mine. Picky eaters are like vegetarians. They eat what they can from what is served. No one should feel any guilt from that. If they aren't full, that's on them, not you.


I think it's silly to not be able to eat a bite or two of something. 


 And I think it's silly to expect a guest in your home to validate your feelings by eating something they dont like and making themselves uncomfortable. 

I suppose it's better that my DD trigger a gag reflex and gag during the meal rather than say "no thank you" when a food she doesn't like is offered?! Gagging won't make the host feel bad at all! 


 Oh please. Saying no thank you to one or two dishes you will gag at, so be it. Refusing to eat all (or most) of the meal the host prepared for you is rude. We can agree to disagree here, that's perfectly ok.



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So here we have it.

Guest shouldn't have to eat anything they don't like, ever.

Host shouldn't have to cater to picky eaters.

Kind of an impasse at this point.


I don't see it as an impasse.

The host provides the meal.

The guests will put what they like on their plates, and avoid what they don't like.

Hopefully, no one will make a big deal about it, on either side.

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 That is how it should be, fwm. 

Btw, I have never eaten a deviled egg. I know for a fact that I detest hard boiled eggs, so I have never been the least bit tempted to try a deviled egg. 



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lilyofcourse wrote:

So here we have it.

Guest shouldn't have to eat anything they don't like, ever.

Host shouldn't have to cater to picky eaters.

Kind of an impasse at this point.


I don't see it as an impasse.

The host provides the meal.

The guests will put what they like on their plates, and avoid what they don't like.

Hopefully, no one will make a big deal about it, on either side.

smile


 That is how it should be, fwm. 

Btw, I have never eaten a deviled egg. I know for a fact that I detest hard boiled eggs, so I have never been the least bit tempted to try a deviled egg. 


 IMHO, that's how it should be, Tang.

It works at my house.smile

(I hate peas. And any bean that isn't a green bean...which isn't really a bean! LOL!)wink

My point is, as a host, I always try to provide a nice variety of foods.

If my guests don't happen to eat every last thing I made, my feeling aren't hurt.

And, I'd never try to shame them into trying something, that would cause them to gag. Or worse yet, to yak!no

Adults have lived long enough to know, what they like or don't like.

My job as a host, is to put out a nice choice of foods.

My job as a guest, is to choose what I like. Try something different, if I've never had it, and want to give it a taste. ( But, if I know the chances are good, that I'll hate it, I won't go there.)

And be polite and cheerful!

Sharing a meal should be a pleasant experience. Not a battleground.

Again, just my opinion.smile



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Exactly, FWM.

It's about getting together with friends & family & hopefully the food is good.

Both my boys love ham. I hate it...so I buy a turkey & DS2 cooks it.

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Fort Worth Mom wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

So here we have it.

Guest shouldn't have to eat anything they don't like, ever.

Host shouldn't have to cater to picky eaters.

Kind of an impasse at this point.


I don't see it as an impasse.

The host provides the meal.

The guests will put what they like on their plates, and avoid what they don't like.

Hopefully, no one will make a big deal about it, on either side.

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 This. 

I've never had anybody say anything about what I ate..  Nobody pays that much attention to me! 



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Fort Worth Mom wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:

So here we have it.

Guest shouldn't have to eat anything they don't like, ever.

Host shouldn't have to cater to picky eaters.

Kind of an impasse at this point.


I don't see it as an impasse.

The host provides the meal.

The guests will put what they like on their plates, and avoid what they don't like.

Hopefully, no one will make a big deal about it, on either side.

smile


 That is how it should be, fwm. 

Btw, I have never eaten a deviled egg. I know for a fact that I detest hard boiled eggs, so I have never been the least bit tempted to try a deviled egg. 


 IMHO, that's how it should be, Tang.

It works at my house.smile

(I hate peas. And any bean that isn't a green bean...which isn't really a bean! LOL!)wink

My point is, as a host, I always try to provide a nice variety of foods.

If my guests don't happen to eat every last thing I made, my feeling aren't hurt.

And, I'd never try to shame them into trying something, that would cause them to gag. Or worse yet, to yak!no

Adults have lived long enough to know, what they like or don't like.

My job as a host, is to put out a nice choice of foods.

My job as a guest, is to choose what I like. Try something different, if I've never had it, and want to give it a taste. ( But, if I know the chances are good, that I'll hate it, I won't go there.)

And be polite and cheerful!

Sharing a meal should be a pleasant experience. Not a battleground.

Again, just my opinion.smile


 Well said.  Everyone is all about their "rights' and forgetting the spirit of the holidays sometimes.



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And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.



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I just want people to eat and be happy. I quit making yams/sweet potatoes because nobody likes them. Why push the issue? If i want them for me, i will make them but i know they don't want them. So, instead, I try to create new traditions. Find what they like and go from there.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


I've never had that happen, Lily.

Not in all my years, have I ever run into someone who turned their nose up, at the entire meal.no

I don't know anyone, like that.

Gosh, if that ever happened to me...they wouldn't get invited back again.

You actually know someone like that???confuse

And, keep inviting them back?no

 



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And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


   Well, what can you do?  I wouldn't worry about it.  Don't let it ruin your meal.  Havent' seen anyone starve yet.



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We have one on this board, it doesn't seem to matter what food it is, they don't like something about it.

I have a cousin who won't eat anything if it has onions. Or if it has anything green in it. Or if it "feels" weird.

Yes. She is invited every time. Because she is family.

But I am not talking about the pot luck, covered dish meals.

I am talking about the times you are invited to someone's home and they have prepared everything and it is a sit down meal.

Pot luck, you can generally pick and choose.

But a planned menu is different.

I'm just saying.

There is way too much me, me, me, out there these days.



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I see it on that 4 weddings show.

"They served chicken and fish, I don't like chicken or fish. So I had nothing to eat."

Wrong. You had chicken or fish to choose from. Pick the one you like better.



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And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


I've never had that happen, Lily.

Not in all my years, have I ever run into someone who turned their nose up, at the entire meal.no

I don't know anyone, like that.

Gosh, if that ever happened to me...they wouldn't get invited back again.

You actually know someone like that???confuse

And, keep inviting them back?no

 


 Well, you know me.  Most summer gatherings, I have next to nothing to eat.  I eat a hamburger/hotdog and chips at pretty much every family picnic, I don't like potato/pasta/macaroni salad, cole slaw, deviled eggs, etc. the difference is, I don't make a big deal about it.  I eat what I can without complaint.  Heck, I usually am the one making most of it! But everyone else likes it all, so I make it.  And if I can, I throw in something I like, if not, oh well.



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When my son was strictly gluten free, if we were invited, he usually could find something to eat. Just some plain meat and mashed pototoes and maybe a veg and he was good. We usually didn't even bring it up. However, sometimes the host wanted to do more and i was like, no he is perfectly content with that.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


I've never had that happen, Lily.

Not in all my years, have I ever run into someone who turned their nose up, at the entire meal.no

I don't know anyone, like that.

Gosh, if that ever happened to me...they wouldn't get invited back again.

You actually know someone like that???confuse

And, keep inviting them back?no

 


 I would not invite someone like that...family or not. And WHY would they accept?

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lilyofcourse wrote:

We have one on this board, it doesn't seem to matter what food it is, they don't like something about it.

I have a cousin who won't eat anything if it has onions. Or if it has anything green in it. Or if it "feels" weird.

Yes. She is invited every time. Because she is family.

But I am not talking about the pot luck, covered dish meals.

I am talking about the times you are invited to someone's home and they have prepared everything and it is a sit down meal.

Pot luck, you can generally pick and choose.

But a planned menu is different.

I'm just saying.

There is way too much me, me, me, out there these days.


 Okay, so I will eat something that will make me vomit and that will make the host feel better HOW?

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lilyofcourse wrote:

And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


I've never had that happen, Lily.

Not in all my years, have I ever run into someone who turned their nose up, at the entire meal.no

I don't know anyone, like that.

Gosh, if that ever happened to me...they wouldn't get invited back again.

You actually know someone like that???confuse

And, keep inviting them back?no

 


 I would not invite someone like that...family or not. And WHY would they accept?

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 Well , so they don't like the food.  Doesn't mean they don't like the company.



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

When my son was strictly gluten free, if we were invited, he usually could find something to eat. Just some plain meat and mashed pototoes and maybe a veg and he was good. We usually didn't even bring it up. However, sometimes the host wanted to do more and i was like, no he is perfectly content with that.


 That's what I'm talking about.

It doesn't have to be anyone else's problem.

My younger cousin can't have any red dye at all or milk or eggs.

Her mom never made it anyone else's responsibility. 

We all knew. Done what we could.

She always had plenty to eat.

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:

We have one on this board, it doesn't seem to matter what food it is, they don't like something about it.

I have a cousin who won't eat anything if it has onions. Or if it has anything green in it. Or if it "feels" weird.

Yes. She is invited every time. Because she is family.

But I am not talking about the pot luck, covered dish meals.

I am talking about the times you are invited to someone's home and they have prepared everything and it is a sit down meal.

Pot luck, you can generally pick and choose.

But a planned menu is different.

I'm just saying.

There is way too much me, me, me, out there these days.


 Okay, so I will eat something that will make me vomit and that will make the host feel better HOW?

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 I think you are being a bit dramatic.  A lot of people arent going to "vomit".  They just dont' like it or aren't in the mood.  However, I don't think anyone should eat something they don't want.



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When my son was strictly gluten free, if we were invited, he usually could find something to eat. Just some plain meat and mashed pototoes and maybe a veg and he was good. We usually didn't even bring it up. However, sometimes the host wanted to do more and i was like, no he is perfectly content with that.


 That's what I'm talking about.

It doesn't have to be anyone else's problem.

My younger cousin can't have any red dye at all or milk or eggs.

Her mom never made it anyone else's responsibility. 

We all knew. Done what we could.

She always had plenty to eat.

 


 My son was invited a neighbor's birthday party across the street.  I knew they would have pizza and cake.  And, so i said, when it is time to eat, just come home and i will make you a quick lunch.  It wasnt' a big deal.  He used to be the QB and all the boys got free hotdogs after the game.  He could eat the hot dog but not the bun.  So, i carried gluten free buns and when the game was over, would go get a hotdog and put it on a GF bun.  At first, i felt sorry for him and wondered if we should all eat GF.  And, we did for awhile until he learned.  But, i told him, this is YOUR issue.  Other people do not have to eat GF because they dont' have the same issue.  Just like some kids are diabetic or allergic to peanuts or have other medical issues.  You have to learn to manage this yourself.  And, he did.



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And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


   Well, what can you do?  I wouldn't worry about it.  Don't let it ruin your meal.  Havent' seen anyone starve yet.


 Exactly! DD eats what she likes, avoids what she doesn't, and never asks anyone to prepare something special. She finds something she likes. She is gracious and thanks her hosts for a lovely meal no matter how much she eats. Why should it matter if she ate an extra helping of potatoes and no veg ? So what if she didnt try the broccoli - she hates it and no amount of trying it will change her mind. She isn't asking for a special meal. She is just asking to eat the things she likes without being guilted into eating something that she does not like and that could cause her great embarrassment by trying.  



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lilyofcourse wrote:

We have one on this board, it doesn't seem to matter what food it is, they don't like something about it.

I have a cousin who won't eat anything if it has onions. Or if it has anything green in it. Or if it "feels" weird.

Yes. She is invited every time. Because she is family.

But I am not talking about the pot luck, covered dish meals.

I am talking about the times you are invited to someone's home and they have prepared everything and it is a sit down meal.

Pot luck, you can generally pick and choose.

But a planned menu is different.

I'm just saying.

There is way too much me, me, me, out there these days.


 Okay, so I will eat something that will make me vomit and that will make the host feel better HOW?

flan


 No, a planned menu isn't different.

There is still going to be a choice of foods.

Some you like, some you don't like.

You can pick the ones you like, as a guest.

And, if you're a good host, you don't try to force someone to eat something they don't want.

Not every dish is going to be a winner, with every guest.

A good host, will not draw attention to a guest who didn't try "the peas".

A good guest, will thank the host, and tell them how wonderful the meal was.

Even if they didn't eat every dish that was offered.



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I agree - a planned menu isn't different. How is a guest supposed to know the menu anyway? And should they decline the invite if they don't like every single item? Of course not. Being picky is like being any other guest with restrictions - you eat what you can and you don't put the burden on your host.

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Yes, in a big table full of food there is SOMETHING that a person could eat if they choose not to make it an issue.

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And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


 No. Actually, I don't know anyone like that.



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So if you only like mashed potatoes out of the whole meal is it okay to take 3/4 of the bowl of potatoes and put them on your plate and only eat potatoes?

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I agree - a planned menu isn't different. How is a guest supposed to know the menu anyway? And should they decline the invite if they don't like every single item? Of course not. Being picky is like being any other guest with restrictions - you eat what you can and you don't put the burden on your host.


In the good old days, no one would dare ask what was being served for dinner, when they got an invitation, MM.

Maybe, times have changed.

Have people become so crude and rude, to ask about the menu? confuse



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You are not getting what I am saying.

Again. It isn't about one or two things they don't like.

It's when they don't "like" any of it.



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So if you only like mashed potatoes out of the whole meal is it okay to take 3/4 of the bowl of potatoes and put them on your plate and only eat potatoes?


I really can't imagine that would happen, NJN. 



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So if you only like mashed potatoes out of the whole meal is it okay to take 3/4 of the bowl of potatoes and put them on your plate and only eat potatoes?


I really can't imagine that would happen, NJN. 


 LOL I've seen it happen.  I'm like WTH?



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I agree - a planned menu isn't different. How is a guest supposed to know the menu anyway? And should they decline the invite if they don't like every single item? Of course not. Being picky is like being any other guest with restrictions - you eat what you can and you don't put the burden on your host.


In the good old days, no one would dare ask what was being served for dinner, when they got an invitation, MM.

Maybe, times have changed.

Have people become so crude and rude, to ask about the menu? confuse


 Yes.

And then they complain.

THAT'S what I'm talking about.



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Fort Worth Mom wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

And I'm NOT talking about the person who doesn't like one or two things.

I'm talking about the person who won't anything.

The ones who expect, what is basically, different meal cause they don't like anything.

We all know at least one like that.


I've never had that happen, Lily.

Not in all my years, have I ever run into someone who turned their nose up, at the entire meal.no

I don't know anyone, like that.

Gosh, if that ever happened to me...they wouldn't get invited back again.

You actually know someone like that???confuse

And, keep inviting them back?no

 


 Yes, that is exactly who my posts are referring to.



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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I agree - a planned menu isn't different. How is a guest supposed to know the menu anyway? And should they decline the invite if they don't like every single item? Of course not. Being picky is like being any other guest with restrictions - you eat what you can and you don't put the burden on your host.


In the good old days, no one would dare ask what was being served for dinner, when they got an invitation, MM.

Maybe, times have changed.

Have people become so crude and rude, to ask about the menu? confuse


 Yes.

And then they complain.

THAT'S what I'm talking about.


 Yes, people definitely ask about the menu these days.



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You are not getting what I am saying.

Again. It isn't about one or two things they don't like.

It's when they don't "like" any of it.


And, you're not getting what I'm saying, Lily.

That would happen exactly one time, at my house.

After that...they would NOT be invited back. 



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I agree - a planned menu isn't different. How is a guest supposed to know the menu anyway? And should they decline the invite if they don't like every single item? Of course not. Being picky is like being any other guest with restrictions - you eat what you can and you don't put the burden on your host.


In the good old days, no one would dare ask what was being served for dinner, when they got an invitation, MM.

Maybe, times have changed.

Have people become so crude and rude, to ask about the menu? confuse


 Yes.

And then they complain.

THAT'S what I'm talking about.


 Yes, people definitely ask about the menu these days.


 Shame on them.no



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I was watching food channel and they made oyster stuffing. That sounds disgusting to me. Turkey and seafood? Blah!

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You are not getting what I am saying.

Again. It isn't about one or two things they don't like.

It's when they don't "like" any of it.


And, you're not getting what I'm saying, Lily.

That would happen exactly one time, at my house.

After that...they would NOT be invited back. 


 A sister wouldn't be invited to family gatherings? A cousin wouldn't be invited when every other person in their family was? 

A niece or nephew?

 



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I was watching food channel and they made oyster stuffing. That sounds disgusting to me. Turkey and seafood? Blah!


 Well. Stuffing is gross anyway.

Dressing is the way to go.

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You are not getting what I am saying.

Again. It isn't about one or two things they don't like.

It's when they don't "like" any of it.


And, you're not getting what I'm saying, Lily.

That would happen exactly one time, at my house.

After that...they would NOT be invited back. 


 A sister wouldn't be invited to family gatherings? A cousin wouldn't be invited when every other person in their family was? 

A niece or nephew?

 


Happily, none of my family is so rude, to pull such a stunt.

It would never be an issue for me, thank goodness!smile 



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Yeah. I would not uninvite or not invite. Some of u have large families. And as families change over time you might miss that crazy uncle or oddball relative when they are no longer around. And the holidays isnt about any one person. Its about teaching your kids to be gracious to these folks as well.

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I agree - a planned menu isn't different. How is a guest supposed to know the menu anyway? And should they decline the invite if they don't like every single item? Of course not. Being picky is like being any other guest with restrictions - you eat what you can and you don't put the burden on your host.


In the good old days, no one would dare ask what was being served for dinner, when they got an invitation, MM.

Maybe, times have changed.

Have people become so crude and rude, to ask about the menu? confuse


 I agree with you. I just wasn't sure what difference it made if the menu was planned or if it was a pot luck. Either way there may be items you don't like. And as a guest, you just need to deal with it. It isn't the host's problem. 



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So if you only like mashed potatoes out of the whole meal is it okay to take 3/4 of the bowl of potatoes and put them on your plate and only eat potatoes?


I really can't imagine that would happen, NJN. 


 LOL I've seen it happen.  I'm like WTH?


 That is SO rude. Wow. 



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I agree - a planned menu isn't different. How is a guest supposed to know the menu anyway? And should they decline the invite if they don't like every single item? Of course not. Being picky is like being any other guest with restrictions - you eat what you can and you don't put the burden on your host.


In the good old days, no one would dare ask what was being served for dinner, when they got an invitation, MM.

Maybe, times have changed.

Have people become so crude and rude, to ask about the menu? confuse


 I agree with you. I just wasn't sure what difference it made if the menu was planned or if it was a pot luck. Either way there may be items you don't like. And as a guest, you just need to deal with it. It isn't the host's problem. 


Roger that, MM.

As a guest, take what you like, with a smile.

As a host, don't make a big scene, if someone didn't try the beans. smile



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So if you only like mashed potatoes out of the whole meal is it okay to take 3/4 of the bowl of potatoes and put them on your plate and only eat potatoes?


I really can't imagine that would happen, NJN. 


 LOL I've seen it happen.  I'm like WTH?


 That is SO rude. Wow. 


 My parent's used to let my sister do it.  She decided at five she didn't like meat.  And she was really picky.  She would go places and fill her plate with the whole bowl of potatoes or whatever item she did like and leave none for the other guests.



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So if you only like mashed potatoes out of the whole meal is it okay to take 3/4 of the bowl of potatoes and put them on your plate and only eat potatoes?


I really can't imagine that would happen, NJN. 


 LOL I've seen it happen.  I'm like WTH?


 That is SO rude. Wow. 


 My parent's used to let my sister do it.  She decided at five she didn't like meat.  And she was really picky.  She would go places and fill her plate with the whole bowl of potatoes or whatever item she did like and leave none for the other guests.


And, your parents let her do that?

Good grief!

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Running out of mashed potatoes would be catastrophic! Nooooo! I always make way way too much.

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Of course everyone should be served first before grabbing multiple helpings.


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