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Your 2015 Guide to Arguing With Your Conservative Uncle This Thanksgiving

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Thanksgiving is right around the corner, and we all know what that means: we'll be trapped around the table with distant relatives that we see twice a year at best and forced to make conversation. With the 2016 presidential primary season well underway, it's only natural that the discussion should turn to politics, and we've all got that one family member (or maybe two) who's fed from a steady diet of Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck. The stereotype is of an uncle, although it can also be a distant aunt (as in my family), cousin, grandparent, cousin, or even sibling.

While the rest of your family may be content to smile and nod along with this family member's xenophobic and pseudo-libertarian rants, you need not suffer their ignorance. I have put together this handy guide to all the talking points you're likely to hear, and the facts that disprove them.

Remember: facts are like Kryptonite to conservatives. Study this guide, and you will know all you need to know to shut down the misinformation and ill-formed opinions.

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I'm just saying, jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

BONUS POINTS! If your family member is of the conservative Christian variety, like mine, I have included bible verses beneath each point that really drive the point home. Be prepared for much mouth frothing if you intend to use these.

Syrian Refugees

The refugee crisis brought about by the Syrian civil war is quite possibly the most serious humanitarian crisis of our time, but you wouldn't know it from listening to conservative politicians. Emboldened by the terrorist attacks in Paris, many on the right are using fear-mongering to argue against the United States taking some of these refugees in: the claim is that doing so would make it easier for terrorists to infiltrate the US.

The problem is that our vetting process makes this incredibly unlikely. First, the refugees are screened through the United Nations, a process which takes a minimum of 18 months. That's before the US even considers taking them, at which point they are matched against our intelligence databases, interviewed, and undergo medical and security screenings, in what is called "the most stringent security process for anyone entering the United States."

Finally, it must be noted that every single Paris attacker was a European citizen, and the Syrian passport found at one of the scenes of the attack was a forgery.

ISIS and other terrorist groups want us to reject Syrian refugees. It gives credence to their "Islam vs. the West" narrative, and rejecting these human beings is playing directly into their hands.

Bonus points! In Matthew 25:35, Jesus explicitly commands Christians to welcome strangers into their lands. There's also this.

Climate Change

This is not the place to rehash the argument in favor of anthropogenic climate change. The science is as settled as settled can be. Don't argue with your uncle about this; if he doesn't believe in science, nothing you can say will change that.

Rather, throw this at him: the labor-intensive nature of renewable energy means that every dollar invested in renewables creates more jobs than the same dollar going into fossil fuels. Power generated from wind and solar are stable price-wise, which is a benefit to the consumer, and the emerging nature of the renewable industry means that there are more jobs to be created in the future than in the fossil fuel industry.

Bonus points! "And I brought you into a plentiful land to enjoy its fruits and its good things. But when you came in, you defiled my land and made my heritage an abomination." Jeremiah 2:7

Socialism

The surprising support for self-described socialist Bernie Sanders has sparked a national conversation about economic inequality, the possible merits of socialism, and the possible downsides of capitalism. The false "socialism-capitalism" dichotomy is used by conservatives like your uncle to draw battle lines: you're either one or the other, a freedom-loving capitalist or a state-loving socialist.

Unfortunately, the truth is more nuanced. The United States has long been a mixture of socialism and capitalism, especially since the Great Depression. The immense popularity of Social Security and similar programs like Medicare show that Americans are actually not that put-off by socialism, as long as they understand it.

And by the way, Social Security is not going broke. That's a lie. Social Security cannot go broke.

Instituting the types of social programs that modern social democrats like Bernie Sanders call for (single-payer healthcare, free public education, etc.) would create a tax burden that the wealthiest Americans can and should shoulder for the rest of us. Under Republican Dwight Eisenhower, the top tax rate was a whopping 92%. Your uncle may point out that America has one of the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world, but that is different than the effective rate, which thanks to loopholes and corporate lobbying, as well as offshore tax havens, actually is one of the lowest.

Bonus points! There are too many to name, but Matthew 25:31-46, Amos 8:4-7, and Mark 10:25 are among my favorites.

Extra bonus points! The biblical system that conservatives like Ben Carson advocate for was actually a progressive system.

Not every family member can be progressive, intelligent, and, well, sane. And while many of us will be avoiding politics altogether in the interest of having a peaceful meal, those of us who cannot abide lies and falsehoods will be speaking up. Arm yourself with facts, and your conservative uncle will look as foolish as his beliefs are.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christian-chiakulas/your-2015-guide-to-arguin_b_8639950.html

 



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Nothing like politicizing literally everything! LOL!

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I love how they tell you to quote the Bible!

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I'm the conservative uncle. Whomever the author of this article is would lose.

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When I read the title the first person I thought of was Husker. I have no doubt you would win.

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When I read the title the first person I thought of was Husker. I have no doubt you would win.


Define "win".  The others would stop arguing back just to shut him up!



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When I read the title the first person I thought of was Husker. I have no doubt you would win.


Define "win".  The others would stop arguing back just to shut him up!


 Both, One for thinking they  have the last word and the other for ignoring the argument.



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Well, if someone wants to start a Bible quoting war with me, I'm game!

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the author of the piece above is ignorant in the extreme--a typical lib, brainwashed to the hilt--if they spouted off with any of the stuff above would hand them a dunce cap and tell them to get another drink

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When I read the title the first person I thought of was Husker. I have no doubt you would win.


Define "win".  The others would stop arguing back just to shut him up!


 And that's a win.



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Alright, now where's the article on how to deal with the ditsy liberal aunt that can't understand basic economics or what "freedom" means?

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Alright, now where's the article on how to deal with the ditsy liberal aunt that can't understand basic economics or what "freedom" means?


 I have a cousin who really believes communisim is the best thing for this country.  My dad shot her down everytime she tried to argue with him. 



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Alright, now where's the article on how to deal with the ditsy liberal aunt that can't understand basic economics or what "freedom" means?


 There arent any cuz the Right doesnt politicize everything.

 



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The liberal who wrote this article wouldn't know a fact if it bit him in the arse.

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LOL

But, does he know what he has on his arse?


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I am so glad I never have to deal with this issue of arguing with family (what family?) on Thanksgiving!  biggrinsmilewinkbiggrin



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I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


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I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


 The wealthy do pay more In pretty much every conceivable way in our society.



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Lawyerlady wrote:

Alright, now where's the article on how to deal with the ditsy liberal aunt that can't understand basic economics or what "freedom" means?


 I have a cousin who really believes communisim is the best thing for this country.  My dad shot her down every time she tried to argue with him. 


What did he shoot her with? Apparently it wasn't big enough. 



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When I read the title the first person I thought of was Husker. I have no doubt you would win.


Define "win".  The others would stop arguing back just to shut him up!


 And that's a win.


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I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.  Make it personal next time. People have a way of thinking about policies as something that happens to other people, should your Doctor realize what it means to him/her, they would think twice.



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I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.  Make it personal next time. People have a way of thinking about policies as something that happens to other people, should your Doctor realize what it means to him/her, they would think twice.


 I doubt she cares about her personal stakes. She's pushing (if not exceeding) 70. I doubt she will be practicling much longer. 

She really is an awesome doctor who actually cares about her patients. I don't look forward to finding a replacement for her. 



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The BIG problem is that the "conservative uncle" or whoever it might be, will never listen to or acknowledge any "facts" presenting a different view.

 



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The BIG problem is that the "conservative uncle" or whoever it might be, will never listen to or acknowledge any "facts" presenting a different view.

 


The same is true of "liberal uncles". 



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The BIG problem is that the "conservative uncle" or whoever it might be, will never listen to or acknowledge any "facts" presenting a different view.

 


The same is true of "liberal uncles". 


Yep. 

 



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The BIG problem is that the "conservative uncle" or whoever it might be, will never listen to or acknowledge any "facts" presenting a different view.

 


That's because conservatives have all the facts on their side.  Those who would argue with them don't have any.  



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Tangerine wrote:

I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.  Make it personal next time. People have a way of thinking about policies as something that happens to other people, should your Doctor realize what it means to him/her, they would think twice.


Are you implying that Canadian doctors make the same amount of money that Walmart workers do?



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Politics, money and religion.

3 things that should never be brought up in polite company.


I believe we conversed about all three, today, at one point or another.  



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Well. I did say polite company. Not husker's place.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tangerine wrote:

I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.  Make it personal next time. People have a way of thinking about policies as something that happens to other people, should your Doctor realize what it means to him/her, they would think twice.


Are you implying that Canadian doctors make the same amount of money that Walmart workers do?


 Where do you get that from?  The fact is, the Gov't telling people how much they can make regardless if they are better at their profession or not only leads to poor care; why should someone who is being paid the same as the next person want to excel?  People who excel at their profession typically work long hours and give their heart and soul to their profession at the expense of their personal life.  If someone is going to be paid the same as someone who is incompetent, the incentive to sacrifice their personal life is gone.  It's reality.  Stalin and Lenin tried this, look how well that worked.  



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Well. I did say polite company. Not husker's place.

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
Tangerine wrote:

I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.  Make it personal next time. People have a way of thinking about policies as something that happens to other people, should your Doctor realize what it means to him/her, they would think twice.


Are you implying that Canadian doctors make the same amount of money that Walmart workers do?


 Where do you get that from?  The fact is, the Gov't telling people how much they can make regardless if they are better at their profession or not only leads to poor care; why should someone who is being paid the same as the next person want to excel?  People who excel at their profession typically work long hours and give their heart and soul to their profession at the expense of their personal life.  If someone is going to be paid the same as someone who is incompetent, the incentive to sacrifice their personal life is gone.  It's reality.  Stalin and Lenin tried this, look how well that worked.  


Right here. She was talking about universal health care, and you countered with....


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.

 



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Czech, have you fallen? Can you get up?


LOL  No, I'm fine.  



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When I'm with my kids, no topic is off-limits (except the fact the "old people" like sex...)

flan


ROTF!

Same here! 


 Wouldn't you think they would be PLEASED to know that they can look forward to many more years of FUN?!!

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When I'm with my kids, no topic is off-limits (except the fact the "old people" like sex...)

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ROTF!

Same here! 


 Wouldn't you think they would be PLEASED to know that they can look forward to many more years of FUN?!!

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You would think.. 



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Tangerine wrote:

I had a conversation with one of my doctors yesterday. She genuinely believes that a single payer healthcare system would be beneficial to this country. I listened to her, she actually had a few good points. But she is presuming on all doctors acting in their patients' best interests and giving a crap the way she does.
I don't know. The whole part about "the wealthy should pay more" sounds good until you find out that they consider everyone above the poverty line to be wealthy.


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.  Make it personal next time. People have a way of thinking about policies as something that happens to other people, should your Doctor realize what it means to him/her, they would think twice.


Are you implying that Canadian doctors make the same amount of money that Walmart workers do?


 Where do you get that from?  The fact is, the Gov't telling people how much they can make regardless if they are better at their profession or not only leads to poor care; why should someone who is being paid the same as the next person want to excel?  People who excel at their profession typically work long hours and give their heart and soul to their profession at the expense of their personal life.  If someone is going to be paid the same as someone who is incompetent, the incentive to sacrifice their personal life is gone.  It's reality.  Stalin and Lenin tried this, look how well that worked.  


Right here. She was talking about universal health care, and you countered with....


 Did you ask her if she thought that all Doctor's should be paid the same as someone, say, working at Walmart.

 


 Ummm no, she was talking about a single payer system, which, while not too far off from universal health care, will lead to dis insentiving doctors to strive for excellence.  And yes, in a communist country it does boil down to everyone earning the same, regardless of their profession.



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