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huskerbb · Guru

1 in 10 Preschoolers Have Suicidal Thoughts, Behaviors

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

huskerbb wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
And frankly, if a kid is able to talk about death and verbalize why something us dangerous and should not be done, and be sad when something they love dies because they will never see it again, and demostrates an appreciation for dang er and fear of death, then how on earth can you possibly 'know' that they are incapable of thinking suicidal thoughts? You can't.
But that isn't the same as forming suicidal thoughts.

They can verbalize they shouldn't run in the road and why it is dangerous--because that's what their parents told them, not, in all but a VERY FEW cases because they've personally experienced it.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 29th of November 2015 11:02:31 PM

Who said it was the same? It isn't all at, and I don't know where you are getting otherwise.

You are wrong, husker, just accept it. All little kids get told not to do certain things because they are dangerous. And yes, at about five virtually all kids will have a solid understanding of death, and probably a handful will get it sooner. To say they are incapable of making the connection is simply wishful thinking.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I understand Husker's point somewhat. If an 6 yr old shoots himself with a gun, is that a suicide or a tragic accident? For kids that are not in their teens, i would still label that as accident rather than an intentional suicide because for that age, I do not think that the thinking and conceptual framework is there yet.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I guess Caitlyn was trying to kill her self when she tried shoving a black olive in the outlet at 2.

Or maybe when when the kids were trying to climb the trees at 4 they were really trying to get high enough to jump.

Oh I know, all those who downed pop rocks and coke are just hoping for an internal explosion.

Maybe my cousin and I were attempting an overdose when we found the orange flavored baby aspirin.

I mean, gosh. We just couldn't take another forced nap time!

huskerbb · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
And frankly, if a kid is able to talk about death and verbalize why something us dangerous and should not be done, and be sad when something they love dies because they will never see it again, and demostrates an appreciation for dang er and fear of death, then how on earth can you possibly 'know' that they are incapable of thinking suicidal thoughts? You can't.
But that isn't the same as forming suicidal thoughts.

They can verbalize they shouldn't run in the road and why it is dangerous--because that's what their parents told them, not, in all but a VERY FEW cases because they've personally experienced it.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 29th of November 2015 11:02:31 PM
Who said it was the same? It isn't all at, and I don't know where you are getting otherwise.
You are wrong, husker, just accept it. All little kids get told not to do certain things because they are dangerous. And yes, at about five virtually all kids will have a solid understanding of death, and probably a handful will get it sooner. To say they are incapable of making the connection is simply wishful thinking.

Says the experienced parent.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
And frankly, if a kid is able to talk about death and verbalize why something us dangerous and should not be done, and be sad when something they love dies because they will never see it again, and demostrates an appreciation for dang er and fear of death, then how on earth can you possibly 'know' that they are incapable of thinking suicidal thoughts? You can't.
But that isn't the same as forming suicidal thoughts.

They can verbalize they shouldn't run in the road and why it is dangerous--because that's what their parents told them, not, in all but a VERY FEW cases because they've personally experienced it.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 29th of November 2015 11:02:31 PM
Who said it was the same? It isn't all at, and I don't know where you are getting otherwise.
You are wrong, husker, just accept it. All little kids get told not to do certain things because they are dangerous. And yes, at about five virtually all kids will have a solid understanding of death, and probably a handful will get it sooner. To say they are incapable of making the connection is simply wishful thinking.
Says the experienced parent.

Why do you always make things personal? Wow.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
And frankly, if a kid is able to talk about death and verbalize why something us dangerous and should not be done, and be sad when something they love dies because they will never see it again, and demostrates an appreciation for dang er and fear of death, then how on earth can you possibly 'know' that they are incapable of thinking suicidal thoughts? You can't.
But that isn't the same as forming suicidal thoughts.

They can verbalize they shouldn't run in the road and why it is dangerous--because that's what their parents told them, not, in all but a VERY FEW cases because they've personally experienced it.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 29th of November 2015 11:02:31 PM
Who said it was the same? It isn't all at, and I don't know where you are getting otherwise.
You are wrong, husker, just accept it. All little kids get told not to do certain things because they are dangerous. And yes, at about five virtually all kids will have a solid understanding of death, and probably a handful will get it sooner. To say they are incapable of making the connection is simply wishful thinking.
Says the experienced parent.
Why do you always make things personal? Wow.

LOL!!!! I'm FAR from the only one on here to do that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Not sure what being an "experienced parent" has to do with the question.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Not sure what being an "experienced parent" has to do with the question.

It would certainly give one a better understanding of what a toddler is capable of.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think lots of people have been around toddlers Husker.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think lots of people have been around toddlers Husker.

Not remotely the same thing--unless maybe you are one of the pre-school teachers.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I think calling something suicide when it is parental negligence or just a tragic accident is wrong headed. I have already read some articles where a younger kid has shot himself and they called it a "suicide" which seems absurd. But, nowadays, nothing seems absurd. Pretty soon, we will have to rush in with some Right to Suicide movement for little kids.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Not sure what being an "experienced parent" has to do with the question.
It would certainly give one a better understanding of what a toddler is capable of.

Said the same guy who insists his kids never had a tantrum. Right.

Spending any significant amount of time around kids and you learn what they are like. I have spent plenty of time with my nieces to know they have a concept of death and a basic understanding of how it comes about and what it means.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

My kids didn't have a basic understanding of their own death until 8 or 9.

They knew animals died, and they remembered Grandpa dying, but they were unable to relate to their own death until after those events.

I call BS on the study as well.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

just Czech wrote:
My kids didn't have a basic understanding of their own death until 8 or 9.

They knew animals died, and they remembered Grandpa dying, but they were unable to relate to their own death until after those events.

I call BS on the study as well.

I do not. I find it perfectly plausible that 90% of kids do not exhibit suicidal thoughts or behaviors before the age of 8, and that 10% do.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I think calling something suicide when it is parental negligence or just a tragic accident is wrong headed. I have already read some articles where a younger kid has shot himself and they called it a "suicide" which seems absurd. But, nowadays, nothing seems absurd. Pretty soon, we will have to rush in with some Right to Suicide movement for little kids.

Yeah, I'll get right on that...

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

flan327 wrote:
From Psychology Today:

In many sectors of American society, children under 5 years old do not understand that death is final and inevitable. Children, between 5 and 9 years old, who do acknowledge the permanence and inevitability of death see it as something that only applies to older adults.

flan

Quoting myself because I can!

flan

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:
From Psychology Today:

In many sectors of American society, children under 5 years old do not understand that death is final and inevitable. Children, between 5 and 9 years old, who do acknowledge the permanence and inevitability of death see it as something that only applies to older adults.

flan
Quoting myself because I can!
flan

All fine aND dandy. But what does "many sectors of American society" actually mean?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
flan327 wrote:
flan327 wrote:
From Psychology Today:

In many sectors of American society, children under 5 years old do not understand that death is final and inevitable. Children, between 5 and 9 years old, who do acknowledge the permanence and inevitability of death see it as something that only applies to older adults.

flan
Quoting myself because I can!
flan
All fine aND dandy. But what does "many sectors of American society" actually mean?

Other studies that I found say pretty much the same thing, BUT that is not to discount your experience, Dona. I just think you were an exception.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

There is a culture of death permeating everything these days.

It's like a dark cloud hanging overhead.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

OH MY GAWD!

flan

FNW · Guru

I'm not sure I believe this article. My boys are still wrapping their minds about the finality of death.

If this is true, I wonder how many of these children are on medications. The final straw in my decision to wean #2 off his asthma meds was when he told me he was not very happy in life. (Side effects include depression.) He's been much healthier and happier not having to use a daily inhaler.

huskerbb · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Not sure what being an "experienced parent" has to do with the question.
It would certainly give one a better understanding of what a toddler is capable of.
Said the same guy who insists his kids never had a tantrum. Right.
Spending any significant amount of time around kids and you learn what they are like. I have spent plenty of time with my nieces to know they have a concept of death and a basic understanding of how it comes about and what it means.

No, I said they did--once each.