TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Mother blames school for child's suicide b/c of WIFI allergy.

Lindley · Guru

My heart hurts for the young lady and her mother.

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

I feel horrible for her but if her condition was so debilitating her parents should have looked into alternative schooling.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I think it's really sad that she had to suffer from that and felt there was nothing else to do. But the fact is, the world is not going to give up it's WIFI and it doesn't sound like mom provided anything to the school from a doctor - just told them about it and expected them to believe her even when it says the medical community doesn't even take it seriously enough.

I believe her. I can walk into the house and tell you if an electronic has been left on b/c I can feel it. I can easily beleive there are people much more sensitive than I am to it. But how much of that is the school's resposibility?

FNW · Guru

Very sad. But I fail to see the connection between the school and the suicide. Wi-fi is everywhere, not just at school.

msrock · Guru

Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

msrock wrote:
Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.

This is in the U.K. Are they allowed to home school?

msrock · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.
This is in the U.K. Are they allowed to home school?

I don't know. But this whole thing seems off to me.

Lindley · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.
This is in the U.K. Are they allowed to home school?

I thought that too but I don't know if the UK allows homeschooling. This may be a extreme rare condition that no Dr. can dx it yet. She may have tried to get a Dr's dx. I'm sure she is in extreme shock and grief right now.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

msrock wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.
This is in the U.K. Are they allowed to home school?
I don't know. But this whole thing seems off to me.

She's grieving and needs someone to blame.

Ohfour · Hooker

msrock wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.
This is in the U.K. Are they allowed to home school?
I don't know. But this whole thing seems off to me.

It's quite difficult to get permission to home school in the U.K. Especially without a doctors note...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

OK - Gov.UK says they can homeschool.

Home education

You can teach your child at home, either full or part-time. This is called home schooling.

You can get help with home education from your local council.

Write to the headteacher if you plan to take your child out of school. They must accept if you’re taking your child out completely. They can refuse if you want to send your child to school some of the time.

As a parent, you must make sure your child receives a full-time education from the age of 5 but you don’t have to follow the national curriculum.

If your child has special educational needs

Your council may be able to help if your child has special educational needs and you want to educate them at home. You only need to tell them if your child has an education, health and care (EHC) plan.

If the council wants to check on your child’s education

The council can make an ‘informal enquiry’ to check your child is getting a suitable education at home. They can serve a school attendance order if they think your child needs to be taught at school.

Last updated: 2 December 2015

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

More - www.bbc.co.uk/schools/parents/home_education/

msrock · Guru

I just read this in another article regarding this case. This is the mother saying she never even took her daughter to a doctor regarding this. Huh???

"Fry admitted she didn’t take Jenny to the doctor, fearful that she would have been institutionalized or given drugs that the mother was suspicious of because the family knew a boy who had committed suicide after being on antidepressants, according to the Mirror, a British publication."

She just lost me here.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

This has got to be one of the oddest stories ever posted here.

Sure, the girl had a problem, but it was mom's (or parents) responsibility to get the issues correctly addressed. If that meant home schooling, then they should have done that and not relied on the school to create a special area without a doctor's note.

IMHO, mom is not going to win this case.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

msrock wrote:
I just read this in another article regarding this case. This is the mother saying she never even took her daughter to a doctor regarding this. Huh???

"Fry admitted she didn’t take Jenny to the doctor, fearful that she would have been institutionalized or given drugs that the mother was suspicious of because the family knew a boy who had committed suicide after being on antidepressants, according to the Mirror, a British publication."

She just lost me here.

Then she diagnosed her daughter herself?

flan

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

flan327 wrote:
msrock wrote:
I just read this in another article regarding this case. This is the mother saying she never even took her daughter to a doctor regarding this. Huh???

"Fry admitted she didn’t take Jenny to the doctor, fearful that she would have been institutionalized or given drugs that the mother was suspicious of because the family knew a boy who had committed suicide after being on antidepressants, according to the Mirror, a British publication."

She just lost me here.
Then she diagnosed her daughter herself?
flan

Mom needs to be smacked up the side of the head.

msrock · Guru

just Czech wrote:
flan327 wrote:
msrock wrote:
I just read this in another article regarding this case. This is the mother saying she never even took her daughter to a doctor regarding this. Huh???

"Fry admitted she didn’t take Jenny to the doctor, fearful that she would have been institutionalized or given drugs that the mother was suspicious of because the family knew a boy who had committed suicide after being on antidepressants, according to the Mirror, a British publication."

She just lost me here.
Then she diagnosed her daughter herself?
flan
Mom needs to be smacked up the side of the head.

I agree. She's got a lot of nerve trying to blame the school for this when she basically did NOTHING. Ugh.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I just noticed this:

Fry believes Jenny’s suicide attempt was meant to be a cry for help. A police statement said that on the day Jenny died, she had texted a friend twice, telling the friend about her intentions to commit suicide and stating where she was, according to the Mirror. But her friend didn’t have her phone with her to see the texts in time.

How terrible. I hope her friend doesn't blame herself.

flan

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

flan327 wrote:
I just noticed this:

Fry believes Jenny’s suicide attempt was meant to be a cry for help. A police statement said that on the day Jenny died, she had texted a friend twice, telling the friend about her intentions to commit suicide and stating where she was, according to the Mirror. But her friend didn’t have her phone with her to see the texts in time.

How terrible. I hope her friend doesn't blame herself.

flan

I read that too Flan. My heart breaks for the girl sending out a cry for help that wasn't answered & for the friend who missed the texts. I also hope she doesn't blame herself. What a terrible burden.

weltschmerz · Guru

People will often develop symptoms when they THINK they have been exposed to an allergen, when in fact, they have not. The mind is a wondrous and complicated thing.
The mother should have taken her daughter not only to a doctor, but to a psychiatrist, as well.

They also recommend that patients see a psychologist or psychiatrist — a proposal in which they’re not alone. Writing in the Guardian earlier this year, James Rubin and Simon Wessely of King’s College London call EHS an instance of the “nocebo effect,” in which people tend to feel sick because they believe they’ve been exposed to something that will sicken them. In one experiment, the pair showed half of their subjects an episode of the BBC series “Panorama,” which alleged that WiFi signals were harmful. They then exposed the whole group to a fake WiFi signal and waited to see who would get sick. The ones who watched the documentary were far more likely to develop EHS symptoms.

That echoes findings from WHO, which suspects that symptoms can be caused by “pre-existing psychiatric conditions as well as stress reactions as a result of worrying about believed EMF health effects.”

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/08/31/are-wifi-allergies-a-real-thing-a-quick-guide-to-electromagnetic-hypersensitivity/

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Wow. Who knew?

Mary Zombie · Guru

I'm leaning toward that too.Psychsomatic....perhaps the mother being unstable and pushing that on to her daughter.
No doctor visits.... possibly she knew deep down it was fake?
So sorry this little girl ended her own life. Horrible

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
People will often develop symptoms when they THINK they have been exposed to an allergen, when in fact, they have not. The mind is a wondrous and complicated thing.
The mother should have taken her daughter not only to a doctor, but to a psychiatrist, as well.

They also recommend that patients see a psychologist or psychiatrist — a proposal in which they’re not alone. Writing in the Guardian earlier this year, James Rubin and Simon Wessely of King’s College London call EHS an instance of the “nocebo effect,” in which people tend to feel sick because they believe they’ve been exposed to something that will sicken them. In one experiment, the pair showed half of their subjects an episode of the BBC series “Panorama,” which alleged that WiFi signals were harmful. They then exposed the whole group to a fake WiFi signal and waited to see who would get sick. The ones who watched the documentary were far more likely to develop EHS symptoms.

That echoes findings from WHO, which suspects that symptoms can be caused by “pre-existing psychiatric conditions as well as stress reactions as a result of worrying about believed EMF health effects.”

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/08/31/are-wifi-allergies-a-real-thing-a-quick-guide-to-electromagnetic-hypersensitivity/

And very powerful...I'm thinking of those who believe in voodoo.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

I don't know if this is a thing or not. However, I'm not sure what the school can truly do. I doubt mom would have been happy with her being isolated all day in a place with no wi-fi while all her peers were busy googling away on their laptops in the classroom.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

just Czech wrote:
flan327 wrote:
msrock wrote:
I just read this in another article regarding this case. This is the mother saying she never even took her daughter to a doctor regarding this. Huh???

"Fry admitted she didn’t take Jenny to the doctor, fearful that she would have been institutionalized or given drugs that the mother was suspicious of because the family knew a boy who had committed suicide after being on antidepressants, according to the Mirror, a British publication."

She just lost me here.
Then she diagnosed her daughter herself?
flan
Mom needs to be smacked up the side of the head.

She was when her daughter committed suicide.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I feel sorry for everyone involved in this tragedy. It's one that could have easily been avoided though. Several things went wrong, any of which, could possibly have changed the outcome if they had gone right instead.

Instead of the mother diagnosing the issue, let a professional do it and then if it's actually a problem, treat it.
Home-school the child.
Send the child to a different school, one that doesn't use technology (do the British have anything equivalent to the Amish of the U.S.?).
Pay attention to the child, when the depression starts to set in, treat it, don't just continue on as if everything is fine and dandy.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
msrock wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.
This is in the U.K. Are they allowed to home school?
I don't know. But this whole thing seems off to me.

It's quite difficult to get permission to home school in the U.K. Especially without a doctors note...

That's nonsense.

http://www.home-education.org.uk/legal-dereg.htm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/parents/home_education/

huskerbb · Guru

I'm not so sure the mom here isn't off her proverbial rocker--and I mean before her child killed themselves.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
msrock wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
msrock wrote:
Why didn't they home school? I blame the parents.
This is in the U.K. Are they allowed to home school?
I don't know. But this whole thing seems off to me.

It's quite difficult to get permission to home school in the U.K. Especially without a doctors note...
That's nonsense.
http://www.home-education.org.uk/legal-dereg.htm
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/parents/home_education/

Comparatively. All kinds of hoops you have to jump through. Here, you just sign up with an umbrella school. That's that. No in home visits, no having to get approval year after year. You just do it...