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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3343309/At-TWENTY-people-gunned-California-mass-shooting-police-search-three-suspects.html



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I just started a thread too.

I'm good with merging if you are.

Mods?

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I just read it on MSN.

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But there's no problem here!



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But there's no problem here!



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So, what's your solution? 



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There's a problem--but the disagreement comes as to what, exactly, the problem is, what is the appropriate solution(s), or if there even is a solution.

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The solution is simple.

But the bleeding heart liberals won't do it.



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Yes, please merge!

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The solution is simple.

But the bleeding heart liberals won't do it.


 What's the solution?



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Ohfour wrote:
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But there's no problem here!



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So, what's your solution? 


 From another board:

The amount and intensity of firepower held by private citizens has exploded dramatically in the past 20 - 30 years. Let's not kid ourselves that massive expansion of automatic weapon ownership is not a big part of the problem.

The UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, pick your European country, have experienced similar shifts in racial, gender, economic conditions and do not experience these mass events.

Your problem is guns. That's the problem. Until people can actually admit and collectively rally around that basic truth, nothing will change.

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But there's no problem here!



flan


So, what's your solution? 


 From another board:

The amount and intensity of firepower held by private citizens has exploded dramatically in the past 20 - 30 years. Let's not kid ourselves that massive expansion of automatic weapon ownership is not a big part of the problem.

The UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, pick your European country, have experienced similar shifts in racial, gender, economic conditions and do not experience these mass events.

Your problem is guns. That's the problem. Until people can actually admit and collectively rally around that basic truth, nothing will change.

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 Well, that's not going to happen, so either come up with something that actually has a chance of passing, or you have nothing.



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I'm also not sure how you would plan on keeping criminals from having guns simply by taking them away from non criminals.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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The solution is simple.

But the bleeding heart liberals won't do it.


 What's the solution?


 Drop a bomb or two in the dessert nests of the terrorists.

Close up the boarders.

Put any non American on lock down until they can pass the vetting process.

The ones that don't pass, get deported or shot.

 

 

Harsh? Maybe.

But I'm sick and tired of the terrorists killing innocents and no one doing anything about it.

Time to get angry.

 



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Switzerland carrying guns is legal and they have a low crime rate... world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/

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I'm also not sure how you would plan on keeping criminals from having guns simply by taking them away from non criminals.


 It isn't about keeping people safe.  It is another smoke screen of a promise of "security" for the Govt to wrench control from its citizens and amass more power.  The same thing that global warming is about.  The same thing that illegal immigration is about.  It is about POWER.



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Paris has the most stringent of gun control.

100+ people killed just last month.



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Paris has the most stringent of gun control.

100+ people killed just last month.


 Well, look at Chicago.  Look at Schools.  Look anywhere there are "gun free" zones.  It is just a lot of False Nonsense by the Left.  Yeah, gun free.   Free of guns  being in the possession of the Law Abiding.  Sitting ducks to be picked off.



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The chart does show that the United States has more mass shootings -- and more people cumulatively killed or injured -- than the other 10 nations combined, partly because it has a much bigger population than all but China.

Still, using this data, it’s easy to dispense with the first claim Obama made -- that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

Over the decade and a half studied, the researchers found 23 incidents of mass shootings in the other 10 countries, resulting in 200 dead and 231 wounded. In the United States over the same period, there were 133 incidents that left 487 dead and 505 wounded.

Here are a just a few examples of mass shootings in other countries:

• On July 22, 2011, a total of 80 people were killed in Norway when Anders Behring Breivik, a political extremist, bombed a government building in Oslo and then went on a shooting rampage on the island of Utoya, just outside the city.

• On March 11, 2009, in Winnenden, Germany, a teenage gunman killed 15 people. The majority of the victims were children and teachers killed when the shooter opened fire in three classrooms in a local secondary school. The gunman shot two other people before killing himself after being cornered by the local police.

• On Sept. 23, 2008, in Kuahajoki, Finland, a gunman shot 10 people to death after opening fire on a classroom in the Kuahajoki School of Hospitality. After killing the students, the shooter burned the victims’ bodies.



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huskerbb wrote:

There's a problem--but the disagreement comes as to what, exactly, the problem is, what is the appropriate solution(s), or if there even is a solution.


 I don't think there is a solution.



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Paris has the most stringent of gun control.

100+ people killed just last month.


 Good point.



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lilyofcourse wrote:

Paris has the most stringent of gun control.

100+ people killed just last month.


The lib's will hate you for that comment.

Heaven forbid that Paris be mentioned.

I guess their terrorism is more special then ours. 



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Well, why hasn't the Messiah of Peace and Love converted the world into singing Kum By yah and We Are the World? Seems like the world is more violent under Barack Hussein Obama. Mmm..mmm...mmmm.

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There's a problem--but the disagreement comes as to what, exactly, the problem is, what is the appropriate solution(s), or if there even is a solution.


 I don't think there is a solution.


 I'm not sure there is, either. 



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I don't think there is anyway to completely stop evil. The best you can hope for is to make it more difficult for evil to succeed.

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Its a moral problem.

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flan327 wrote:
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But there's no problem here!



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So, what's your solution? 


 From another board:

The amount and intensity of firepower held by private citizens has exploded dramatically in the past 20 - 30 years. Let's not kid ourselves that massive expansion of automatic weapon ownership is not a big part of the problem.

The UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, pick your European country, have experienced similar shifts in racial, gender, economic conditions and do not experience these mass events.

Your problem is guns. That's the problem. Until people can actually admit and collectively rally around that basic truth, nothing will change.

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Whoever posted that on another board is a total idiot...and the numbers fro France have gone up significantly...



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Lily posted as I was posting. Sorry for the double info, but some people may need to see it twice to understand it...

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huskerbb wrote:
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There's a problem--but the disagreement comes as to what, exactly, the problem is, what is the appropriate solution(s), or if there even is a solution.


 I don't think there is a solution.


 I'm not sure there is, either. 


 I'm afraid I agree, but what do we do?

Throw up our hands in disgust?

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Lindley wrote:

Its a moral problem.


 And the more it happens, the more it will continue to happen.

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We happen to be one of the safest countries in the world. What else do you want? Killing is not going to stop.

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lilyofcourse wrote:

sTbiw2S8fHl89qyY6AXbohcKkvXrCTKg33VwEQ-n-JieBT9aW1mr8d8s65TxJJj-nOCRfN6e1L_wJ8qC8efdaa530z35xQ_cwcGE2g-n98rRB7SprMFZrnpjhvEUgxNKyK_h_OU

 

The chart does show that the United States has more mass shootings -- and more people cumulatively killed or injured -- than the other 10 nations combined, partly because it has a much bigger population than all but China.

Still, using this data, it’s easy to dispense with the first claim Obama made -- that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

Over the decade and a half studied, the researchers found 23 incidents of mass shootings in the other 10 countries, resulting in 200 dead and 231 wounded. In the United States over the same period, there were 133 incidents that left 487 dead and 505 wounded.

Here are a just a few examples of mass shootings in other countries:

• On July 22, 2011, a total of 80 people were killed in Norway when Anders Behring Breivik, a political extremist, bombed a government building in Oslo and then went on a shooting rampage on the island of Utoya, just outside the city.

• On March 11, 2009, in Winnenden, Germany, a teenage gunman killed 15 people. The majority of the victims were children and teachers killed when the shooter opened fire in three classrooms in a local secondary school. The gunman shot two other people before killing himself after being cornered by the local police.

• On Sept. 23, 2008, in Kuahajoki, Finland, a gunman shot 10 people to death after opening fire on a classroom in the Kuahajoki School of Hospitality. After killing the students, the shooter burned the victims’ bodies.


 Three incidents in 3 different countries, and not even in the same year.

How many mass shootings have we had this year alone?

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flan327 wrote:
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huskerbb wrote:

There's a problem--but the disagreement comes as to what, exactly, the problem is, what is the appropriate solution(s), or if there even is a solution.


 I don't think there is a solution.


 I'm not sure there is, either. 


 I'm afraid I agree, but what do we do?

Throw up our hands in disgust?

flan


 It is a Moral problem.  The world is eschewing God.  People no longer fear God, death, judgment or Hell.  "there is no fear of God in their eyes" is a common theme in the New Testament when talking about evil.  As a result, people no longer have the ability to Self Govern.  A people who cannot Self Govern cannot survive.  We are on the road to chaos.   Where this will lead to more militarized police and it will just escalate.  Unfortunately, the answer IS morality which does not come from a lecture for the Nanny in Chief but can only come from whence morality comes.  God Himself.



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Um...statistics are your friend. Of course a country with MILLIONS times more people are going to have more shootings.

and your post said:
pick your European country, have experienced similar shifts in racial, gender, economic conditions and do not experience these mass events.

Well, that is a flat out lie...



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France had a train attack stopped by 3 American's last spring. If those American's had not stopped the shooter, the number of dead could have been as bad as the Paris attack.

Don't say it isn't happening in the rest of the world, the police are just getting better at stopping the plotters.

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France had a train attack stopped by 3 American's last spring. If those American's had not stopped the shooter, the number of dead could have been as bad as the Paris attack.

Don't say it isn't happening in the rest of the world, the police are just getting better at stopping the plotters.


But, but, but, Fuhrer Obama says it's NOT happening in the rest of the world!  



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flan327 wrote:
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The chart does show that the United States has more mass shootings -- and more people cumulatively killed or injured -- than the other 10 nations combined, partly because it has a much bigger population than all but China.

Still, using this data, it’s easy to dispense with the first claim Obama made -- that "this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries."

Over the decade and a half studied, the researchers found 23 incidents of mass shootings in the other 10 countries, resulting in 200 dead and 231 wounded. In the United States over the same period, there were 133 incidents that left 487 dead and 505 wounded.

Here are a just a few examples of mass shootings in other countries:

• On July 22, 2011, a total of 80 people were killed in Norway when Anders Behring Breivik, a political extremist, bombed a government building in Oslo and then went on a shooting rampage on the island of Utoya, just outside the city.

• On March 11, 2009, in Winnenden, Germany, a teenage gunman killed 15 people. The majority of the victims were children and teachers killed when the shooter opened fire in three classrooms in a local secondary school. The gunman shot two other people before killing himself after being cornered by the local police.

• On Sept. 23, 2008, in Kuahajoki, Finland, a gunman shot 10 people to death after opening fire on a classroom in the Kuahajoki School of Hospitality. After killing the students, the shooter burned the victims’ bodies.


 Three incidents in 3 different countries, and not even in the same year.

How many mass shootings have we had this year alone?

flan


 Um, you do realize that Finland has like 10 million people, so if we have 30 mass shootings a year, that would be the same based on population, alone.  But it's not even that simple.  Finland is more homogenous and not as diverse.  They have only one significant population center.



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The World: Population (2015) - Top 100+

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Switzerland has right to carry. Their citizens carry guns everywhere and they don't have the problems we have here. As lgs said You know longer fear God, you don't teach your children to fear God (I'm not talking fear as in scared but fear as in respect)

You can outlaw all the guns in the nation and take all the guns away from every law abiding person and we will still have the same problem. Just like you can still get drugs that is illegal a criminal will still be able to get guns on the black market. I live out in the country. It takes 45 mins for the police to respond. It would not help me one bit if someone broke into my home and wait for the police. I learned how to aim and shoot. I know to keep my guns safe. I took lessons in fire arm safety and I'm not evil so I shouldn't lose my right to protect myself and my home.

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Taking away guns from law-abiding citizens is, and always will be, stupid. Don't want a gun? Don't get one. But, I will not give up my proverbial guns just so Joe Criminal can have an easier target. I don't currently own a gun but I will get one should the need ever arise. I have absolutely zero problem shooting someone intent on harming my family.

Guess what? Criminals do NOT care about gun laws or any other law. Thinking that banning guns will stop criminals from obtaining and using them is flat out stupid and ignorant.

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Our highest rates of gun violence are in the areas in this country with the strictest gun restrictions. I cannot help it if people cannot see logical sense.

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I agree it is a moral problem and I certainly do not have the solution. But I do believe people have eschewed God and, furthermore, do not have respect for parents, bosses, etc. etc. anymore. A little healthy fear (respect) for other people is a a good thing, but we would not want to hurt anyone's feelings by requiring respect. So this is a result of letting anyone do anything and get away with it with absolutely no fear of reprisal.
And then the terrorists, which is another whole issue.....

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Our highest rates of gun violence are in the areas in this country with the strictest gun restrictions. I cannot help it if people cannot see logical sense.


But, but, they can vote!

Idiots, every single one of them. 



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 Nope, Sweetie, that's actually what most Conservatives wear.

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Everyone at the office is freaking out since its closer to home.

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Everyone at the office is freaking out since its closer to home.


 I just got home and am looking for an update.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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There's a problem--but the disagreement comes as to what, exactly, the problem is, what is the appropriate solution(s), or if there even is a solution.


 I don't think there is a solution.


 I'm not sure there is, either. 


 I'm afraid I agree, but what do we do?

Throw up our hands in disgust?

flan


 It is a Moral problem.  The world is eschewing God.  People no longer fear God, death, judgment or Hell.  "there is no fear of God in their eyes" is a common theme in the New Testament when talking about evil.  As a result, people no longer have the ability to Self Govern.  A people who cannot Self Govern cannot survive.  We are on the road to chaos.   Where this will lead to more militarized police and it will just escalate.  Unfortunately, the answer IS morality which does not come from a lecture for the Nanny in Chief but can only come from whence morality comes.  God Himself.


Oh, please. Canada is pretty secular and Quebec is REALLY secular. No God anywhere. We're converted our cathedrals into gyms and condos.

No chaos, and mass murder is extremely rare.

There isn't a single neighbourhood where I'd be afraid to walk in, in the middle of the night, and I don't need to be armed to do it.

So much for your theory.



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It is a Moral problem. The world is eschewing God. People no longer fear God, death, judgment or Hell. "there is no fear of God in their eyes" is a common theme in the New Testament when talking about evil

So, the only thing stopping you from going on a killing spree is the fear of God and judgement and hell?

That's absolutely frightening.

I don't even believe in God and I wouldn't do that, because it's wrong and people don't like getting shot.



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Our highest rates of gun violence are in the areas in this country with the strictest gun restrictions. I cannot help it if people cannot see logical sense.


 So you're saying that MORE gun control DOESN'T stop gun violence? 

 

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