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The male shooters sister and BIL have applied to adopt her. I know, and this is a fact, that the police are looking deeply at the entire family. I highly believe that if they have any ties to anything that the Department of Childrens Services will not allow them to adopt her. If they do not I have no issue with them adopting her.


 OK, well, i am sure they will be glad to know you approve.  


 Well, last time I checked the due process still applied to children in this country.



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Well, i didn't realize you were in charge of her due process.

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She can go to whomever. Not sure what that has to do with anything. No doubt she will placed with a family member. Obviously, they didn't much care what happened to her so they could get their 15 min of fame and 99 virgins. Not sure what the Mrs gets. Maybe the chance to spend eternity without a bag over her head.

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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 



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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


 No.  Saying something is not the same thing as DOING something.  And, there is nothing wrong with closing our borders to new immigrants from Muslim countries if we choose to do it.  As for exterminating, yeah, we might have to go over and blow a big freaking hole in the Middle East.  



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


 No.  Saying something is not the same thing as DOING something.  And, there is nothing wrong with closing our borders to new immigrants from Muslim countries if we choose to do it.  As for exterminating, yeah, we might have to go over and blow a big freaking hole in the Middle East.  


 Actually, for a Christian, it IS. 

Psalm 19:14 ESV    

Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my rock and my redeemer.

Matthew 9:4 ESV    

But Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “Why do you think evil in your hearts?



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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.



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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...



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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...


 This doesn't even dignify an answer.



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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


 Who?  Who has said "all Muslims need to be eradicated"?



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


 Who?  Who has said "all Muslims need to be eradicated"?


 In the last few days?  Several.  Just read the threads on the Muslims. 



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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...


 This doesn't even dignify an answer.


It absolutely does. We killed TONS of people,  MOSTLY innocents.  Are you OK with that?  If so, you are a hypocrite.  If not, then I would like an explanation why.  Don't defer with non sense.  Its a valid question.. 



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Ohfour wrote:
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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...


 This doesn't even dignify an answer.


It absolutely does. We killed TONS of people,  MOSTLY innocents.  Are you OK with that?  If so, you are a hypocrite.  If not, then I would like an explanation why.  Don't defer with non sense.  Its a valid question.. 


 That was WAR with a known country and enemy who attacked first and wouldn't stop.  Was it the right thing to do?  It stopped the war.  How many American lives were saved because of that?  But that was a military decision, which is a completely differently animal than what a Christian response should be.  A Christian shouldn't be calling for the murder of innocents because of what they might become.  Because what they might become is a Christian, if given the opportunity.



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 That was WAR with a known country and enemy who attacked first and wouldn't stop.  Was it the right thing to do?  It stopped the war.  How many American lives were saved because of that?  But that was a military decision, which is a completely differently animal than what a Christian response should be.  A Christian shouldn't be calling for the murder of innocents because of what they might become.  Because what they might become is a Christian, if given the opportunity.


 Thank you LL.  Anyone who can't see that the situations are vastly different is dense. 



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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


 Who?  Who has said "all Muslims need to be eradicated"?


 In the last few days?  Several.  Just read the threads on the Muslims. 


   For me.  We need to put a complete STOP on any and ALL immigration.  Period.  We have enough people in this country already.  STOP.  And, certainly stop any immigration from middle eastern countries.  As for this country, we have to be vigilant.  And, sorry, the enemy is living among us now.  That's sad but it's a reality.  However OUR culture does not have to bend over backwards to accomodate them. 



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Lawyerlady wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...


 This doesn't even dignify an answer.


It absolutely does. We killed TONS of people,  MOSTLY innocents.  Are you OK with that?  If so, you are a hypocrite.  If not, then I would like an explanation why.  Don't defer with non sense.  Its a valid question.. 


 That was WAR with a known country and enemy who attacked first and wouldn't stop.  Was it the right thing to do?  It stopped the war.  How many American lives were saved because of that?  But that was a military decision, which is a completely differently animal than what a Christian response should be.  A Christian shouldn't be calling for the murder of innocents because of what they might become.  Because what they might become is a Christian, if given the opportunity.


And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?



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I have not and will not call for killing or hurting anyone just because they are Muslim. What I do call for is for people (including Muslims) to know that if you are associating with people who want to kill me or my family then hell yes I will try to figure out who is for us or against us but by definition that means we will have to profile. If you want to call me a racist (although it's a religion not a race) then so be it. It's not Hindu's or Flying Spaghetti Monsters who want to harm me or mine. If you're a Muslim you should be expecting extra scrutiny because no one is wearing terrorists signs these days.

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 That was WAR with a known country and enemy who attacked first and wouldn't stop.  Was it the right thing to do?  It stopped the war.  How many American lives were saved because of that?  But that was a military decision, which is a completely differently animal than what a Christian response should be.  A Christian shouldn't be calling for the murder of innocents because of what they might become.  Because what they might become is a Christian, if given the opportunity.


 Thank you LL.  Anyone who can't see that the situations are vastly different is dense. 


They aren't different at all.  We killed their women and children and they stopped attacking us.  What's the difference? 



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And, we may have to again. The difference is we were battling a Country. This time it is a world wide Ideology. That will require a different approach.

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At one time, every single terrorist was an innocent baby.

What I am trying to say, if this baby is not placed with the utmost care, if placed with the wrong people, she will become a terrorist.

Like it or not, it's the truth.

And NJN, you don't KNOW anything about what is being done with this baby. You may have some idea based on what is reported, but you don't KNOW.

What we can be sure of, this little girl was not important to her Muslim parents. She held no special place in their hearts. They left her to follow through on a death mission.

THAT is the place women and children have in the Muslim religion.

They are stuff. Things. No different than any other inanimate odject.

So tell me, what part of this "peaceful religion" are you defending?



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And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?


Because you don't KNOW who the actual enemy is and you can't kill indiscriminately in order to get the bad guys.  You want us to go to war with a country that supports terrorism?  Fine, then declare war and fight it honorably.  But to say kill all Muslim children everywhere because they might grow up to be terrorists is disgusting. 

I have no issue with punishing and killing the guilty.  But you cannot impute guilt onto an entire population for the actions of some.  That is no different than saying kill all black people because of black gangs or kill all white men because of serial killers.



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   For me.  We need to put a complete STOP on any and ALL immigration.  Period.  We have enough people in this country already.  STOP.  And, certainly stop any immigration from middle eastern countries.  As for this country, we have to be vigilant.  And, sorry, the enemy is living among us now.  That's sad but it's a reality.  However OUR culture does not have to bend over backwards to accomodate them. 


 I have said this same thing on many threads lately but because I'm not for killing them all no one gives a crap.  Why are we letting anyone in at all?  I don't care if they come from Syria, Mexico, England, or the North Pole.  Right now our country is in crisis and we need to focus on getting it back in line.  Stop letting people in.  And yet Obama and the others think it's a good idea to continue to take in people.  Next, any and all expired Visa's need to be dealt with.  Deport them immediately.  Go, gone.  Get rid of them all and they can never return.  Then move on to the others.  They need to be vetted.  And I mean really vetted.  Not this crap they're doing now.  Then get rid of the ones that are doing things they shouldn't be.

People think I'm a Muslim supporter because I won't support mass killings or concentration camps.  I am not.  I just refuse to be swayed by fear and emotion.  I want things done.  But not mass killings.  We need to take back control of country.



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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...


 This doesn't even dignify an answer.


It absolutely does. We killed TONS of people,  MOSTLY innocents.  Are you OK with that?  If so, you are a hypocrite.  If not, then I would like an explanation why.  Don't defer with non sense.  Its a valid question.. 


  If I remember my history correctly I think we gave them warning to evacuate the cities and they didn't listen.     I could be wrong though.  There is a difference between casualties of war and just going to blow civilians up because they might grow up to be terrorist. 

  I think the bwst way is not to reissue visas, work permints and restrict student visas and immigration of those who may even be rumored to have ties with family who are radicals.     I hope that little baby goes to a loving home that's not radical.



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And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?


Because you don't KNOW who the actual enemy is and you can't kill indiscriminately in order to get the bad guys.  You want us to go to war with a country that supports terrorism?  Fine, then declare war and fight it honorably.  But to say kill all Muslim children everywhere because they might grow up to be terrorists is disgusting. 

I have no issue with punishing and killing the guilty.  But you cannot impute guilt onto an entire population for the actions of some.  That is no different than saying kill all black people because of black gangs or kill all white men because of serial killers.


 We did in Japan...We need to hit them at the core.  We know where the core is.  That would be an eye opening first step...



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And as I said - I have no issue with closing the borders to more Muslims while terrorism is such an issue. And I have no trouble with profiling. I do have a problem with labeling every Muslim a terrorist.

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   For me.  We need to put a complete STOP on any and ALL immigration.  Period.  We have enough people in this country already.  STOP.  And, certainly stop any immigration from middle eastern countries.  As for this country, we have to be vigilant.  And, sorry, the enemy is living among us now.  That's sad but it's a reality.  However OUR culture does not have to bend over backwards to accomodate them. 


 I have said this same thing on many threads lately but because I'm not for killing them all no one gives a crap.  Why are we letting anyone in at all?  I don't care if they come from Syria, Mexico, England, or the North Pole.  Right now our country is in crisis and we need to focus on getting it back in line.  Stop letting people in.  And yet Obama and the others think it's a good idea to continue to take in people.  Next, any and all expired Visa's need to be dealt with.  Deport them immediately.  Go, gone.  Get rid of them all and they can never return.  Then move on to the others.  They need to be vetted.  And I mean really vetted.  Not this crap they're doing now.  Then get rid of the ones that are doing things they shouldn't be.

People think I'm a Muslim supporter because I won't support mass killings or concentration camps.  I am not.  I just refuse to be swayed by fear and emotion.  I want things done.  But not mass killings.  We need to take back control of country.


 Well, the first thing we need to do is control our own borders and secure them.  We don't need mass immigration.  We have 95 million Americans who don't have jobs.  It's insanity.  And, i don't support ground troops or some full scale war unless we FIRST seal our own country.  



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And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?


Because you don't KNOW who the actual enemy is and you can't kill indiscriminately in order to get the bad guys.  You want us to go to war with a country that supports terrorism?  Fine, then declare war and fight it honorably.  But to say kill all Muslim children everywhere because they might grow up to be terrorists is disgusting. 

I have no issue with punishing and killing the guilty.  But you cannot impute guilt onto an entire population for the actions of some.  That is no different than saying kill all black people because of black gangs or kill all white men because of serial killers.


 We did in Japan...We need to hit them at the core.  We know where the core is.  That would be an eye opening first step...


 We were at war with a country, and the people there actively supported the war efforts of Japan. 



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And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?


Because you don't KNOW who the actual enemy is and you can't kill indiscriminately in order to get the bad guys.  You want us to go to war with a country that supports terrorism?  Fine, then declare war and fight it honorably.  But to say kill all Muslim children everywhere because they might grow up to be terrorists is disgusting. 

I have no issue with punishing and killing the guilty.  But you cannot impute guilt onto an entire population for the actions of some.  That is no different than saying kill all black people because of black gangs or kill all white men because of serial killers.


 I didn't say kill any child.

I expressed a possibility if a baby was placed in the wrong hands.

 



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At one time, every single terrorist was an innocent baby.

What I am trying to say, if this baby is not placed with the utmost care, if placed with the wrong people, she will become a terrorist.

Like it or not, it's the truth.

And NJN, you don't KNOW anything about what is being done with this baby. You may have some idea based on what is reported, but you don't KNOW.

What we can be sure of, this little girl was not important to her Muslim parents. She held no special place in their hearts. They left her to follow through on a death mission.

THAT is the place women and children have in the Muslim religion.

They are stuff. Things. No different than any other inanimate odject.

So tell me, what part of this "peaceful religion" are you defending?


 You are assuming every single Muslim baby is going to become a terrorist.  That is hateful.  Hate speech.



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   For me.  We need to put a complete STOP on any and ALL immigration.  Period.  We have enough people in this country already.  STOP.  And, certainly stop any immigration from middle eastern countries.  As for this country, we have to be vigilant.  And, sorry, the enemy is living among us now.  That's sad but it's a reality.  However OUR culture does not have to bend over backwards to accomodate them. 


 I have said this same thing on many threads lately but because I'm not for killing them all no one gives a crap.  Why are we letting anyone in at all?  I don't care if they come from Syria, Mexico, England, or the North Pole.  Right now our country is in crisis and we need to focus on getting it back in line.  Stop letting people in.  And yet Obama and the others think it's a good idea to continue to take in people.  Next, any and all expired Visa's need to be dealt with.  Deport them immediately.  Go, gone.  Get rid of them all and they can never return.  Then move on to the others.  They need to be vetted.  And I mean really vetted.  Not this crap they're doing now.  Then get rid of the ones that are doing things they shouldn't be.

People think I'm a Muslim supporter because I won't support mass killings or concentration camps.  I am not.  I just refuse to be swayed by fear and emotion.  I want things done.  But not mass killings.  We need to take back control of country.


 Well, the first thing we need to do is control our own borders and secure them.  We don't need mass immigration.  We have 95 million Americans who don't have jobs.  It's insanity.  And, i don't support ground troops or some full scale war unless we FIRST seal our own country.  


 I agree with this.  I am not unrealistic or unreasonable.  We need to take action.  Just not mass hysteria action.



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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...


 This doesn't even dignify an answer.


It absolutely does. We killed TONS of people,  MOSTLY innocents.  Are you OK with that?  If so, you are a hypocrite.  If not, then I would like an explanation why.  Don't defer with non sense.  Its a valid question.. 


 That was WAR with a known country and enemy who attacked first and wouldn't stop.  Was it the right thing to do?  It stopped the war.  How many American lives were saved because of that?  But that was a military decision, which is a completely differently animal than what a Christian response should be.  A Christian shouldn't be calling for the murder of innocents because of what they might become.  Because what they might become is a Christian, if given the opportunity.


Well said.... 100% agree with what you said.   A Christian should not be calling for the murder of innocents.   



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And as I said - I have no issue with closing the borders to more Muslims while terrorism is such an issue. And I have no trouble with profiling. I do have a problem with labeling every Muslim a terrorist.


 This is exactly where we stand.  People keep saying I'm a Muslim supporter.  I am not.  Close the border.  Racially profile.  I have no issues there.  Do not label every Muslim a terrorist.



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At one time, every single terrorist was an innocent baby.

What I am trying to say, if this baby is not placed with the utmost care, if placed with the wrong people, she will become a terrorist.

Like it or not, it's the truth.

And NJN, you don't KNOW anything about what is being done with this baby. You may have some idea based on what is reported, but you don't KNOW.

What we can be sure of, this little girl was not important to her Muslim parents. She held no special place in their hearts. They left her to follow through on a death mission.

THAT is the place women and children have in the Muslim religion.

They are stuff. Things. No different than any other inanimate odject.

So tell me, what part of this "peaceful religion" are you defending?


 You are assuming every single Muslim baby is going to become a terrorist.  That is hateful.  Hate speech.


 Why shouldn't she assume that?  His dad was on the Watch and No Fly List.  His mother lived with them and funneled money to their accounts.  That is a REASONABLE observation.  Yeah, i feel sorry for a baby who's own parents give so little schit about her that they go on a suicide mission.  So, yeah, that's a tough place to be in life?  Is it her fault her parents are murdering bastards?  No.  Of course not.  But, within the confines of the family they have already bred 2 killers.



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And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?


Because you don't KNOW who the actual enemy is and you can't kill indiscriminately in order to get the bad guys.  You want us to go to war with a country that supports terrorism?  Fine, then declare war and fight it honorably.  But to say kill all Muslim children everywhere because they might grow up to be terrorists is disgusting. 

I have no issue with punishing and killing the guilty.  But you cannot impute guilt onto an entire population for the actions of some.  That is no different than saying kill all black people because of black gangs or kill all white men because of serial killers.


 We did in Japan...We need to hit them at the core.  We know where the core is.  That would be an eye opening first step...


 We were at war with a country, and the people there actively supported the war efforts of Japan. 


Even the babies and children?  Cause that's a big portion of the people we killed... 



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   For me.  We need to put a complete STOP on any and ALL immigration.  Period.  We have enough people in this country already.  STOP.  And, certainly stop any immigration from middle eastern countries.  As for this country, we have to be vigilant.  And, sorry, the enemy is living among us now.  That's sad but it's a reality.  However OUR culture does not have to bend over backwards to accomodate them. 


 I have said this same thing on many threads lately but because I'm not for killing them all no one gives a crap.  Why are we letting anyone in at all?  I don't care if they come from Syria, Mexico, England, or the North Pole.  Right now our country is in crisis and we need to focus on getting it back in line.  Stop letting people in.  And yet Obama and the others think it's a good idea to continue to take in people.  Next, any and all expired Visa's need to be dealt with.  Deport them immediately.  Go, gone.  Get rid of them all and they can never return.  Then move on to the others.  They need to be vetted.  And I mean really vetted.  Not this crap they're doing now.  Then get rid of the ones that are doing things they shouldn't be.

People think I'm a Muslim supporter because I won't support mass killings or concentration camps.  I am not.  I just refuse to be swayed by fear and emotion.  I want things done.  But not mass killings.  We need to take back control of country.


 Well, the first thing we need to do is control our own borders and secure them.  We don't need mass immigration.  We have 95 million Americans who don't have jobs.  It's insanity.  And, i don't support ground troops or some full scale war unless we FIRST seal our own country.  


 I agree with this.  I am not unrealistic or unreasonable.  We need to take action.  Just not mass hysteria action.


 I think most of us know something needs to be done about Muslim terrorists. 



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You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 Yeah, and not every German was a Nazi.  But, when you go to war, you have to topple those associated with it.  As for your "Christian bitchslap" of Lilly, who has Lilly gunned downed?  Who has Lilly murdered?  Did she blow people up or strap bombs to her family members?  No.  Seems your ANGER should be directed at those who do and not her.


 Not yet - but she is saying we should.  In fact, several people have said all Muslims need to be eradicated.  That's condoning the same kind of violence.  Saying that, condoning that, cheering for the mass descruction of an entire body of people, including the non-violent?  It makes you no better.  So, if people want to say condoning makes you culpable - there you go. 


   When you call out for mass deaths it just makes you no better than the people you are trying to get rid of.


So I guess we never should have nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  Good to know your thought process...


 This doesn't even dignify an answer.


It absolutely does. We killed TONS of people,  MOSTLY innocents.  Are you OK with that?  If so, you are a hypocrite.  If not, then I would like an explanation why.  Don't defer with non sense.  Its a valid question.. 


 That was WAR with a known country and enemy who attacked first and wouldn't stop.  Was it the right thing to do?  It stopped the war.  How many American lives were saved because of that?  But that was a military decision, which is a completely differently animal than what a Christian response should be.  A Christian shouldn't be calling for the murder of innocents because of what they might become.  Because what they might become is a Christian, if given the opportunity.


Well said.... 100% agree with what you said.   A Christian should not be calling for the murder of innocents.   


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I think maybe you could toss a bit of your sympathy to the families who no longer have spouses, a brother , a sister or a mom or dad. What about THEIR babies? A couple of the victims had very young children. Maybe you could throw a sympathy bone their way. Just saying.

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At one time, every single terrorist was an innocent baby.

What I am trying to say, if this baby is not placed with the utmost care, if placed with the wrong people, she will become a terrorist.

Like it or not, it's the truth.

And NJN, you don't KNOW anything about what is being done with this baby. You may have some idea based on what is reported, but you don't KNOW.

What we can be sure of, this little girl was not important to her Muslim parents. She held no special place in their hearts. They left her to follow through on a death mission.

THAT is the place women and children have in the Muslim religion.

They are stuff. Things. No different than any other inanimate odject.

So tell me, what part of this "peaceful religion" are you defending?


 You are assuming every single Muslim baby is going to become a terrorist.  That is hateful.  Hate speech.


 No. 

It's realistic thinking.

 



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   For me.  We need to put a complete STOP on any and ALL immigration.  Period.  We have enough people in this country already.  STOP.  And, certainly stop any immigration from middle eastern countries.  As for this country, we have to be vigilant.  And, sorry, the enemy is living among us now.  That's sad but it's a reality.  However OUR culture does not have to bend over backwards to accomodate them. 


 I have said this same thing on many threads lately but because I'm not for killing them all no one gives a crap.  Why are we letting anyone in at all?  I don't care if they come from Syria, Mexico, England, or the North Pole.  Right now our country is in crisis and we need to focus on getting it back in line.  Stop letting people in.  And yet Obama and the others think it's a good idea to continue to take in people.  Next, any and all expired Visa's need to be dealt with.  Deport them immediately.  Go, gone.  Get rid of them all and they can never return.  Then move on to the others.  They need to be vetted.  And I mean really vetted.  Not this crap they're doing now.  Then get rid of the ones that are doing things they shouldn't be.

People think I'm a Muslim supporter because I won't support mass killings or concentration camps.  I am not.  I just refuse to be swayed by fear and emotion.  I want things done.  But not mass killings.  We need to take back control of country.


 Well, the first thing we need to do is control our own borders and secure them.  We don't need mass immigration.  We have 95 million Americans who don't have jobs.  It's insanity.  And, i don't support ground troops or some full scale war unless we FIRST seal our own country.  


 I agree with this.  I am not unrealistic or unreasonable.  We need to take action.  Just not mass hysteria action.


 I think most of us know something needs to be done about Muslim terrorists. 


 Most of us, except for Obama. 



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And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?


Because you don't KNOW who the actual enemy is and you can't kill indiscriminately in order to get the bad guys.  You want us to go to war with a country that supports terrorism?  Fine, then declare war and fight it honorably.  But to say kill all Muslim children everywhere because they might grow up to be terrorists is disgusting. 

I have no issue with punishing and killing the guilty.  But you cannot impute guilt onto an entire population for the actions of some.  That is no different than saying kill all black people because of black gangs or kill all white men because of serial killers.


 We did in Japan...We need to hit them at the core.  We know where the core is.  That would be an eye opening first step...


 We were at war with a country, and the people there actively supported the war efforts of Japan. 


Even the babies and children?  Cause that's a big portion of the people we killed... 


 That is a whole ethical issue, now isn't it?  I know the military reasons for doing it, but when I see those pictures, it breaks my heart.  So, basically - I don't have an answer, but I would hope we have learned and would apply such a tactic only with much more thought and restraint. 



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I think maybe you could toss a bit of your sympathy to the families who no longer have spouses, a brother , a sister or a mom or dad. What about THEIR babies? A couple of the victims had very young children. Maybe you could throw a sympathy bone their way. Just saying.


 There you go, assuming we don't have sympathy for the families of the victims just because we aren't calling for the death of an innocent infant.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
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I think maybe you could toss a bit of your sympathy to the families who no longer have spouses, a brother , a sister or a mom or dad. What about THEIR babies? A couple of the victims had very young children. Maybe you could throw a sympathy bone their way. Just saying.


 There you go, assuming we don't have sympathy for the families of the victims just because we aren't calling for the death of an innocent infant.


 Who said the baby should die? 

 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I think maybe you could toss a bit of your sympathy to the families who no longer have spouses, a brother , a sister or a mom or dad. What about THEIR babies? A couple of the victims had very young children. Maybe you could throw a sympathy bone their way. Just saying.


 There you go, assuming we don't have sympathy for the families of the victims just because we aren't calling for the death of an innocent infant.


 Who said the baby should die? 

 


 Obviously you did.  Because when you dont' agree with someone here to the same degree, then you want Nuclear Obliteration and Annihilation of the Earth, the moon and stars, the Milky way and all of God's Creation into far reaching galaxies!  lol



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

I think maybe you could toss a bit of your sympathy to the families who no longer have spouses, a brother , a sister or a mom or dad. What about THEIR babies? A couple of the victims had very young children. Maybe you could throw a sympathy bone their way. Just saying.


 There you go, assuming we don't have sympathy for the families of the victims just because we aren't calling for the death of an innocent infant.


 Who said the baby should die? 

 


 Obviously you did.  Because when you dont' agree with someone here to the same degree, then you want Nuclear Obliteration and Annihilation of the Earth, the moon and stars, the Milky way and all of God's Creation into far reaching galaxies!  lol


 Huh. 

Cause I don't remember saying that.

What I said was, if this baby is placed in the wrong home, she will follow in her parents footsteps. Paraphrasing of course.



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Lily, I think you should reread some of the post you wrote. You may have not meant to say we should all kill a innocent baby but the way it is written people perceived it that way.

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I've reread the whole thread.

I did not call for the death of anyone.

I said if this baby isnt placed in the right home, she will be a threat.

That doesn't mean kill a baby.

It means if she is placed with those who raised her family, she is a future threat.

If ANYONE else had said that, there would be a completely different attitude.


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Lily I've never attacked you and I have no issue with you. You may know what you meant but the wording made it sound like you thought the child should be punished and people reacted.

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

You operate out of fear and hate. You have this skewed sense that you are superior because you're a christian. You are not. This is an innocent little BABY. She is not a terrorist. I am tired of the freaking hate you spew to everyone but the almighty christian. This little girl is innocent. I really don't give a chit what you believe. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. The Department of Childrens services will determine what is best for this little girl. And I hope they do the right thing. And that will be what is based on facts not fear and hate.


 How many "Thumbs Up" can I give you???????????

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Lawyerlady wrote:
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And we aren't being attacked?  I don't see them stopping.  The bombs killed mostly innocents. That's what we had to do to stop them from attacking us.  How is this any different?


Because you don't KNOW who the actual enemy is and you can't kill indiscriminately in order to get the bad guys.  You want us to go to war with a country that supports terrorism?  Fine, then declare war and fight it honorably.  But to say kill all Muslim children everywhere because they might grow up to be terrorists is disgusting. 

I have no issue with punishing and killing the guilty.  But you cannot impute guilt onto an entire population for the actions of some.  That is no different than saying kill all black people because of black gangs or kill all white men because of serial killers.


 Yes, yes, it certainly IS.

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