The FBI is still 'gathering the facts', Obama declared, but that much is known.
Syed Farook, a 28-year-old American, and Tashfeen Malik, his 29-year-old wife born in Pakistan - both Muslims - carried out the massacre which left 14 dead and 21 injured. The duo were killed in a police stand-off.


Um, no Obama. Apparently, they aren't. They stopped gathering facts before the corpses assumed room temperature.

Round 'em up and put them in a camp until we can sort everything out.

Really. Since when did beheading become an Olympic sport.

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I just think with all the terrorism happening by ISIS right now, it is a damn stupid thing to say this is an "isolated incident".

Every incident is "isolated". One after the other. Nothing to see folks. Move slong. Nothing will blowup today cuz zi guarantee it. What a fraking moron.

Actually, I was referring to the camps we set up after Pearl Harbor which housed the Japanese population until we could figure out who was working with Japan to overthrow America. There was one not too far from my grandparents in California.

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I'm not in favor of putting anyone in camps.

What I am in favor of is taking our PC blinders off. We don't need any more of them coming in. We can stop that. We can quit trying to investigate everyone, do some profiling, and focus on those most likely to commit terrorist acts.

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 Thank you husker.  You can not put a whole religion of people in a concentration camp.  And that is EXACTLY what it is.  We do, as a country, need to wake up to who we are letting into our country.

I think anyone with ties to Radical Islam needs to be deported. Immediately. I don't have a sit around and wait attitude. First, the US should stop allowing ANYONE from ANYWHERE in our country. We have problems we need address. Stop all visa's and everything. No one from any country can come in until we get things worked out. If you have ties to Radical Islam you go. Then we go from there. We need to start vetting these people and our government is just not doing it.

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Okay.....so what about the ones with ties to radical islamics? Rather than just "watching" them, detain them. Lock them up. Watching hasn't done a whole hell of a lot of good. And what about investigating each and every Muslim for these ties? Rather than "welcoming" them and making them feel comfortable, check them out.

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 I think that would depend on what the ties were.  If it's just looking some ISIS page on Facebook, I'm not so sure.

 

However, I do think they should grant search warrants in those cases to confiscate guns or potential bomb making materials, allow for a more thorough search of any computers, and crawl up the ass of any friends or associates.

I think they need to be more than deported where they can go off on some rampage in other countries. They need to be eradicated.

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Because they never vetted the pres.

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I so agree, They won't release his school records and his birth certificate is iffy.  He lived in a very strong muslim community (I've been there)  he went to a Islamic school and not all schools there are Islamic.  He may not be muslim only he and his family knows for sure and even though he claims to be Christian I don't think he has been to Church since he became President.    I don't trust him.  I hoped that he would be a good President when he was first elected but nope he is not.

You people make me SO sad. Any idea how many hard-working peaceful Muslims there are in America?

A poster here changed her DOCTOR because he was a Muslim. DS1 has Muslim friends...in fact, one is here with us now.

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You people make me SO sad. Any idea how many hard-working peaceful Muslims there are in America?

A poster here changed her DOCTOR because he was a Muslim. DS1 has Muslim friends...in fact, one is here with us now.

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So why aren't they doing anything to stop the radicals?   Because they agree with them...

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You people make me SO sad. Any idea how many hard-working peaceful Muslims there are in America?

A poster here changed her DOCTOR because he was a Muslim. DS1 has Muslim friends...in fact, one is here with us now.

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So why aren't they doing anything to stop the radicals?   Because they agree with them...

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 What, exactly, do you propose that your everyday Muslim next door do to combat radical Muslims that our national security people are not doing?  And if they should be doing it - so should you. 

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You people make me SO sad. Any idea how many hard-working peaceful Muslims there are in America?

A poster here changed her DOCTOR because he was a Muslim. DS1 has Muslim friends...in fact, one is here with us now.

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So why aren't they doing anything to stop the radicals?   Because they agree with them...

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 What, exactly, do you propose that your everyday Muslim next door do to combat radical Muslims that our national security people are not doing?  And if they should be doing it - so should you. 

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Reporting them, not attending their churches...publically denouncing them.

Yeah, there are a handful that do so, but 99% of the "peaceful" ones don't do a damn thing.

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 "Their" churches?  So peaceful Muslims are supposed to give up their religion and stop going to church?  And how do you know that Ali down the street knows who the terrorist threats are?  That is a HUGE assumption.  Yes, I'm sure there are some, but it certainly isn't all or even close to it.

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You people make me SO sad. Any idea how many hard-working peaceful Muslims there are in America?

A poster here changed her DOCTOR because he was a Muslim. DS1 has Muslim friends...in fact, one is here with us now.

flan

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 What, exactly, do you propose that your everyday Muslim next door do to combat radical Muslims that our national security people are not doing?  And if they should be doing it - so should you. 

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Reporting them, not attending their churches...publically denouncing them.

Yeah, there are a handful that do so, but 99% of the "peaceful" ones don't do a damn thing.

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 "Their" churches?  So peaceful Muslims are supposed to give up their religion and stop going to church?  And how do you know that Ali down the street knows who the terrorist threats are?  That is a HUGE assumption.  Yes, I'm sure there are some, but it certainly isn't all or even close to it.

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Look at the article I posted.  If their Imams or whatever they are called are calling for the death of Christians and Jews, then they need to not attend that church...and if they do, then I will assume that they agree with them...

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 Then those are SPECIFIC mosques, not every one.  You cannot paint a billion people as evil because they don't believe as you do.

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You people make me SO sad. Any idea how many hard-working peaceful Muslims there are in America?

A poster here changed her DOCTOR because he was a Muslim. DS1 has Muslim friends...in fact, one is here with us now.

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 What, exactly, do you propose that your everyday Muslim next door do to combat radical Muslims that our national security people are not doing?  And if they should be doing it - so should you. 

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 But I don't have the same opportunities.  I don't go to mosques or other places where Muslims gather.  None of my friends or co-workers are Muslim. 

 

Plus, as soon as I accuse a Muslim of being a terrorist, I'm branded a racist.  

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I'm not painting a billion people as evil because they don't believe as I do. I don't trust them because they want to eliminate western civilization.

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Well, the most vocal ones sure do.  And the vast majority is doing noting to silence them... 

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I'm not painting a billion people as evil because they don't believe as I do. I don't trust them because they want to eliminate western civilization.

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 Oh come on. Sharia law is in compatible with western freedoms.  If you can't see that, you are blind.  Who do you think is shooting up people in Paris or San Bernadinao?  The local chapter of Confuscians?

theres also a vast difference in the motivations of the san Bernadino killers and the guy who shot up the planned parenthood.  He was trying to stop an activity--they were simply trying to kill.  Doesn't make a difference I. The punishment he should get, but the motive is different.  One is an aberration in society.  The other is trying to destroy a society.

We need to pull our head out of our collective ass and figure out who our enemies are--or I should say remember who they are.

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 You cannot possibly know that about a billion people.

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Well, the most vocal ones sure do.  And the vast majority is doing noting to silence them... 

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 I agree that the Muslim community needs to do more to police themselves.  But I cannot condone the stance that says all Muslims are evil and need to die.

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 Well, in the U.S., not all of them are going to know who the radicals are -they are the nice guy everybody knows, just like serial killers.  I highly doubt that terrorists are advertising themselves to everyone.  And for many in the middle east - it is fear, plain and simple.

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We thought the San bernardino killers fit that description--how'd that work out? 

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 I agree that the Muslim community needs to do more to police themselves.  But I cannot condone the stance that says all Muslims are evil and need to die.

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Why aren't they policing themselves?  Maybe they agree? 

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 Well, in the U.S., not all of them are going to know who the radicals are -they are the nice guy everybody knows, just like serial killers.  I highly doubt that terrorists are advertising themselves to everyone.  And for many in the middle east - it is fear, plain and simple.

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 And THAT is why I don't automatically trust any of them.

 

'Could you imagine FDR going before Congress and saying, "We were attacked yesterday on Pearl Harbor. I really don't want to talk about who did it, but you know, we just want to say that they were terrible people and they were thugs",' said Mike Huckabee, the former governor of Arkansas.