TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

RE: Plus-Sized Models

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Pass the chocolate and beer.

Pass the cheese and wine!

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
chef wrote:
Why should we accept people for everything but their weight?
Because welts doesnt like it apparently.

Oh, c'mon. Even I know that isn't fair. It's a valid point that society is getting fatter and that it is simply being accepted when it shouldn't be. It's not HEALTHY. This is the first generation with a lower life expectancy than our parents. It also costs society in higher healthcare costs. You can't pretend it's not an issue.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Some cultures really value big women. Thin is not in. And some men really love women that are big. I have heard, though I cannot confirm, that in Houston there is a strip joint specifically for overweight women. Men come from all over to see them.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Anyone not fitting the current standard of beauty should be ashamed of themselves.

Is a truly obese person healthy?

flan

chef · Guru

I long for a world in which people are not ostracized for their body. We (general) preach so much about teaching our kids (especially daughters) to have a positive self-image then crap like this comes up. How are they supposed to have a positive self-image if they're told their body isn't good enough?

Teach healthy eating. Teach about exercise. Teach about balanced diets. But, also teach that, sometimes, in spite of a person's best efforts, they may be fat. There are medical conditions that cause weight gain. There are meds that cause weight gain. You never know another person's story and expecting them to hide themselves just because they're fat is rude.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Anyone not fitting the current standard of beauty should be ashamed of themselves.

Is a truly obese person healthy?
flan

Depends on the person.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

chef wrote:
Why should we accept people for everything but their weight?

Good question.

It's perfectly okay to freaky weird, but not to be fat.

The Bruce Jenner's and Miley Cyrus's win.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chef wrote:
I long for a world in which people are not ostracized for their body. We (general) preach so much about teaching our kids (especially daughters) to have a positive self-image then crap like this comes up. How are they supposed to have a positive self-image if they're told their body isn't good enough?

Teach healthy eating. Teach about exercise. Teach about balanced diets. But, also teach that, sometimes, in spite of a person's best efforts, they may be fat. There are medical conditions that cause weight gain. There are meds that cause weight gain. You never know another person's story and expecting them to hide themselves just because they're fat is rude.

That is really not the majority. For the most part, it's the crap we eat. I mean, the food industry gets to lie with impunity about what is healthy. And then we have a much more sedentary lifestyle than people used to.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Anyone not fitting the current standard of beauty should be ashamed of themselves.

Is a truly obese person healthy?
flan

So less than healthy people dont deserve to exid or be seen or try to look good?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Anyone not fitting the current standard of beauty should be ashamed of themselves.

Is a truly obese person healthy?
flan
So less than healthy people dont deserve to exid or be seen or try to look good?

Where was that said exactly?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

just Czech wrote:
chef wrote:
Why should we accept people for everything but their weight?
Good question.
It's perfectly okay to freaky weird, but not to be fat.
The Bruce Jenner's and Miley Cyrus's win.

Yes, being transgendered gets you a bravery award but being fat gets you scorned. I wonder if being a fat transgendered person crosses out the bravery.

weltschmerz · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
just Czech wrote:
chef wrote:
Why should we accept people for everything but their weight?
Good question.
It's perfectly okay to freaky weird, but not to be fat.
The Bruce Jenner's and Miley Cyrus's win.
Yes, being transgendered gets you a bravery award but being fat gets you scorned. I wonder if being a fat transgendered person crosses out the bravery.

Why do you want your (step?)grandson to lose weight?

chef · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
I long for a world in which people are not ostracized for their body. We (general) preach so much about teaching our kids (especially daughters) to have a positive self-image then crap like this comes up. How are they supposed to have a positive self-image if they're told their body isn't good enough?

Teach healthy eating. Teach about exercise. Teach about balanced diets. But, also teach that, sometimes, in spite of a person's best efforts, they may be fat. There are medical conditions that cause weight gain. There are meds that cause weight gain. You never know another person's story and expecting them to hide themselves just because they're fat is rude.
That is really not the majority. For the most part, it's the crap we eat. I mean, the food industry gets to lie with impunity about what is healthy. And then we have a much more sedentary lifestyle than people used to.

I agree.

chef · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
just Czech wrote:
chef wrote:
Why should we accept people for everything but their weight?
Good question.
It's perfectly okay to freaky weird, but not to be fat.
The Bruce Jenner's and Miley Cyrus's win.
Yes, being transgendered gets you a bravery award but being fat gets you scorned. I wonder if being a fat transgendered person crosses out the bravery.

Great minds, ladies, great minds!

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

weltschmerz wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
just Czech wrote:
chef wrote:
Why should we accept people for everything but their weight?
Good question.
It's perfectly okay to freaky weird, but not to be fat.
The Bruce Jenner's and Miley Cyrus's win.
Yes, being transgendered gets you a bravery award but being fat gets you scorned. I wonder if being a fat transgendered person crosses out the bravery.
Why do you want your (step?)grandson to lose weight?

I don't have a step grandson.

NAOW · Vette's SS

Lawyerlady wrote:
I've lost eight pounds and apparently that is the threshold for people noticing. I've had about 5 people tell me this week how great I look because of the TON of weight I lost. I mean seriously asking what I was doing and was it hard and everything. I wasn't frickin' obese, people - I was wearing size 10 pants. That's not fat.

No, it's not. But if you were a model you would be considered Plus Size, and apparently would be encouraging women to over eat and make being obese acceptable.

That's why it's ridiculous. Plus Size does not equal obese.

ETA: I realize this may not be completely relevant at this point in the post. I went back and realized I missed the end of the first page.

-- Edited by NAOW on Thursday 10th of December 2015 10:38:29 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
just Czech wrote:
chef wrote:
Why should we accept people for everything but their weight?
Good question.
It's perfectly okay to freaky weird, but not to be fat.
The Bruce Jenner's and Miley Cyrus's win.
Yes, being transgendered gets you a bravery award but being fat gets you scorned. I wonder if being a fat transgendered person crosses out the bravery.
Why do you want your (step?)grandson to lose weight?
I don't have a step grandson.

Well, you know who I mean. The one who you claimed was terribly overweight and you were worried about him.

weltschmerz · Guru

chef wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
chef wrote:
I long for a world in which people are not ostracized for their body. We (general) preach so much about teaching our kids (especially daughters) to have a positive self-image then crap like this comes up. How are they supposed to have a positive self-image if they're told their body isn't good enough?

Teach healthy eating. Teach about exercise. Teach about balanced diets. But, also teach that, sometimes, in spite of a person's best efforts, they may be fat. There are medical conditions that cause weight gain. There are meds that cause weight gain. You never know another person's story and expecting them to hide themselves just because they're fat is rude.
That is really not the majority. For the most part, it's the crap we eat. I mean, the food industry gets to lie with impunity about what is healthy. And then we have a much more sedentary lifestyle than people used to.
I agree.

It's almost always what we eat. One day a week, I work at the community health clinic. I see obese people all the time.

I counsel them on portion sizes and give them printouts of healthier choices.

Then I see them at McDonald's at the mall, eating three bacon cheeseburgers and jumbo fries. With a diet Coke, of course.

"Oh, it must be my glands!"

"No, your blood work came back and your glands are fine."

"I just don't understand it! I eat like a bird!"

"I'll buy that, Your average bird eats twice its body weight every day."

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I lost 80 pounds. No one said anything. No one noticed.

I had to buy new clothes because everything was falling off.

When I went to buy new clothes, I was still in the plus sizes.

The cashier was ringing me up and held up a shirt, "I have this shirt, didn't know they made it in this size".

I was so proud of myself until that moment.

I'm sure she didn't mean it in any particular way.

Yes. I lost so much by changing how and what I eat.

I'm still not at goal.

But I will get there.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I think it needs to be clear that size 12 is NOT plus size. Good grief.
- Lawyerlady

____________________

This. 10,000 times, this.

Those 10 ladies on the first page? None of them were "plus size" in my book. They were just "normal and healthy".

When I think of "plus size" I think of "above size 20", and even then that's just an indicator of physical size. "Plus size" doesn't mean ugly or unacceptable, at least it doesn't to me. It just means more fabric than the sizes that aren't "Plus size".

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

weltschmerz wrote:

Well, you know who I mean. The one who you claimed was terribly overweight and you were worried about him.

He's my step son and do you want the politically correct answer or the un PC one? Politically correct. My SS's grandpa on DH's side ha diabetes. And HTN. That's high blood pressure for the non medical people. He's already experiencing some diabetic retinopathy. He's about thirty pounds overweight. HIS mom, SS's great grandm, died of diabetic related complications. She also had HTN. She was a spry 98 pound spitting ball of fire. Until she died. SS's uncle on his father's side has a BKA due to diabetes. Again, that's a below the knee amputation. His grandma on his MOM's side is diabetic. Again, she's also got HTN. She's about ten to fifteen pounds overweight. Certainly not morbidly obese. HER mother, SS's great grandma is also diabetic. And she is tiny. Tall but tiny. His uncle on his mom's side just had all the toes removed from his right foot due to diabetic complications. They are talking about taking his foot off. So realistically? My SS is pretty much DOOMED to inherit this disease. Especially since his mom feeds him nothing but processed foods and anything and everything with sugar in it. They literally eat out every night. We met her last Thursday for something and she was telling us that every night she asks the kids what they want to eat and they tell her which restaurant they want to go. We've been trying to educate him about healthy eating choices and she took him to a fried chicken place the other day. SS said he wanted a salad so he could have something healthy. She told him kids don't eat salad. Pick real food.

But if you want my non PC answer I'll tell you the truth. He's already in the morbidly obese category. At ten we can't find clothes that fit him. We had to move him into men's size jeans because, at 10, there's not a child size big enough for him. My heart breaks for him because I already see him developing some bad signs. He has that slow and labored walk that many morbidly obese people have. He has a hard time running and jumping. He is ten. The dating world is hard and cruel. Although no one makes fun of his weight right now I know that it will come into play later. If you look at the responses from adults on this board then you know that he will have to face a lot of judgment in his teen years. And that's already a difficult time.

Not sure what else you'd like me to say. I don't celebrate obesity but I don't think we should hide overweight people in the closet either.

weltschmerz · Guru

Thank you for your response. Yes, he sounds extremely high-risk. Poor kid.
Kids don't eat salads? What an irresponsible and absurd thing for her to say. I introduced my kid early to salads, and he loved them. Still does.
I'm not saying we should hide overweight people in the closet. I'm saying we shouldn't encourage it. Just like we discourage smoking. I'm a smoker, but I've cut down to almost nothing because it's so damn unacceptable now.
There's nowhere to smoke, it's expensive and people look at you like you have horns.
We no longer glamorize smoking, and we shouldn't glamorize morbid obesity.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I imagine one day he will have diabetes too. I'm not happy about it but he has a pretty high risk factor already. Being morbidly obese just lumps more risk onto that. Yes, his mom feeds him crappy. He wrote down a list of "good" food and "bad food" for me. The good food said apple pie. I mean it had apples right? And pizza. And those pre packaged peanut butter crackers. We won't even go into the bad food. So I sat him down and talked to him. I told him he needs to remember this. If it comes from an animal, grows from the ground, or comes from a tree then it's a good pick. I told him that was the easiest way to remember. We went through options and it took him a bit to get it. Then it dawned on him that if a factory makes it it probably isn't a good snack or meal. I know for a fact that his weight bothers him. His mom and I buy all his clothes and we often discuss this. Where to buy things and if we can find sizes for him. Yes, I get along with his mom decent enough to do this. But not well enough to tell her she needs to be a better parent when it comes to feeding him. There's that parenting line you don't step over. KWIM?

At our house he eats pretty much everything. He swore he hated mushrooms until he tried them. Now he loves them. The only thing he really doesn't like so far is raw onions and sour cream. But that's it. He will eat salad and veggies and everything else. Except for the grilled cheese sandwich!

j/k His mom is the reason behind his weight issue. His five year old sister is nearing one hundred pounds. I think about that and shudder. She has 13 years to reach adulthood and obviously has little room to spare as far as gaining weight. She IS tall but she's also over morbidly obese. I don't even know what the category would be. She wears size 12 in juniors at age five.

We shouldn't glamorize obesity. I don't agree with that. But people need clothes and there's no reason they have to dress frumpy. Also, I'm not sure that some people really care about their weight. If I make it to 70 with my horrible knees I'm going to dance a jig. Fat or thin.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Oh, and their table manners are beyond atrocious. The five year old still eats with her fingers. EVERYTHING. SS's mom was laughing last week because she took them to a Chinese place and she was telling us he was throwing rice in his mouth and flinging it everywhere. Even hitting other people with the rice. She said he was just trying to toss it in his mouth as fast as possible. He does that sometimes here but gets in trouble for it. We do not eat like animals here. I have seen him eat a huge hamburger in four bites without barely chewing.

At one point he would eat two hamburgers and two hot dogs with all the sides in one sitting. I sat DH down and told him flat out that was just too much food for him. Didn't matter that he COULD eat it what mattered is SHOULD he eat it. So we cut his portions way down. We've also made changes in snacking and lunch meals. He no longer gets chips or animal crackers with his lunch. It's a sandwich and fruit. If he's hungry later he can have more fruit. If we allow him, while he's here, he will eat a full meal every two hours. We used to do popcorn at night but now with the holidays we sometimes have other stuff. But DH and I have told him, he can have two cookies OR popcorn. Not all of it. I'm sure he's not always happy with what we decide but he doesn't say anything.

weltschmerz · Guru

There's no denying that we are encouraging it and normalizing it. Look at supersizing fast food for mere pennies. Look at "My Big FAT, FABULOUS Life!
Where's the 'My Fabulous Tracheostomy" show?
Both cigarettes and obesity kill.
We demonize one, but accept the other.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I really don't think we glamorize being obese. We DO have shows that follow morbidly obese people but they don't glamorize them. At least not here. And I refuse to watch them. I think it's sad when we put someone up on tv like that. But then, that's how I feel about the teen mom shows too. Most of the fat shows illustrate just how bad being fat is. It's not like they're out rolling around in the Miss Fat America contest. And honestly, most of the fat people in shows are portrayed as dumb or lazy.

I do think Americans eat way differently than other countries. And I have looked at the food industry. Our government doesn't want to make the food industry tell us what's in our food. Why? Because those companies support the politicians. They don't actually advocate for us. Just like it took twenty years to get smoking labeled as dangerous. Everyone knew. But the government wouldn't place warnings on the packages because the companies supported them. Our government has no interest in keeping us healthy. Even President Clinton has said obesity is a huge problem.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

You know, I have never ever in my entire life put on a nice pair of clothes and said to myself, "I look really nice today. It's perfectly okay that I have a problem with my weight. I don't need to do anything about it." Despite having nice clothes I still realize I have risks from being overweight. But that doesn't mean I can't dress nicely.

I would be upset if I told my friends I needed to lose weight or wanted to lose weight and they told me "It's about time. You really need to. You sure are carrying around all that extra weight." They don't have to tell me I'm beautiful or whatever, although my DH does, but something along the lines of "If you want to make some positive changes in your life then I'll be here to support you." would be a great response.

ed11563 · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
There's no denying that we are encouraging it and normalizing it. Look at supersizing fast food for mere pennies. Look at "My Big FAT, FABULOUS Life!
Where's the 'My Fabulous Tracheostomy" show?
Both cigarettes and obesity kill.
We demonize one, but accept the other.

What do you think of "Mike and Molly"?

My sister and mother died of cancer, and my sister's first and second husbands, died of heart disease ...

all in 1983. (It was a very bad year.)

All were heavy smokers since childhood.

If the tobacco companies didn't make massive campaign contributions, they probably would have been shut down long ago. I think after the Big Tobacco executives lied in Congressional hearings, they should all have gone to prison for perjury, and then should have been prosecuted for mass murder.

ed11563 · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
You know, I have never ever in my entire life put on a nice pair of clothes and said to myself, "I look really nice today. It's perfectly okay that I have a problem with my weight. I don't need to do anything about it." Despite having nice clothes I still realize I have risks from being overweight. But that doesn't mean I can't dress nicely.

I would be upset if I told my friends I needed to lose weight or wanted to lose weight and they told me "It's about time. You really need to. You sure are carrying around all that extra weight." They don't have to tell me I'm beautiful or whatever, although my DH does, but something along the lines of "If you want to make some positive changes in your life then I'll be here to support you." would be a great response.

A friend who is 150 pounds overweight asked me if I thought she'd look better if she lost weight.

I told her if she wants to lose weight, she should do it for herself, not for me; I think she's pretty at any weight.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
There's no denying that we are encouraging it and normalizing it. Look at supersizing fast food for mere pennies. Look at "My Big FAT, FABULOUS Life!
Where's the 'My Fabulous Tracheostomy" show?
Both cigarettes and obesity kill.
We demonize one, but accept the other.

Well, if you have actually seen the show, she gained a lot of weight due to Polycystic ovarian disease. And, the gist of the show isn't to say "oh everyone should be fat". The gist of the show is that her life is NOW and she has to live her best life NOW. She even teaches exercise classes.

But, yeah, should the person with the trach go hide away from society? Should fat people just sit in the house and never go out and be active or be ALLOWED to have any moments of joy since they are unworthy? And, have you had any friends die from cancer? Yeah, they get pretty skinny real quick. And, they become a shell of themselves. And, funny how those extra pounds really don't seem all that important then do they? I thought what mattered was what was inside. Our bodies are simply the shell of who we are. Yes, we should make efforts to take care of it. But, since you are smoker, then perhaps you shouldn't be lecturing on health matters either perhaps ? We are all a work in progress. People who are overweight already know they are overweight.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lane Bryant Models

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

She's a 14/16. Obese?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It just seems like common sense to me that women are going to want to see fashions on models that have similar body styles to them. Duh.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Anyone who is the least bit overweight knows beyond a doubt that it is not glamorized.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The whole world is now supposed to pretend that men are women and that women are men. And, if you don't, then somehow you are uncaring, uncivilized, etc. But, they same ones who are soooo "tolerant" seem to be the biggest fat shamers. Go figure.

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The whole world is now supposed to pretend that men are women and that women are men. And, if you don't, then somehow you are uncaring, uncivilized, etc. But, they same ones who are soooo "tolerant" seem to be the biggest fat shamers. Go figure.

Exactly.

How come these same "tolerant" individuals always fail to realize that diabetes and high blood pressure is also common among "normal" weight individuals?

I still get a chuckle from the fact that a super health guru, died at the age of 72 from a heart attack. But, he was oh, so healthy.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The whole world is now supposed to pretend that men are women and that women are men. And, if you don't, then somehow you are uncaring, uncivilized, etc. But, they same ones who are soooo "tolerant" seem to be the biggest fat shamers. Go figure.

You need to go back and READ this thread. A few of us brought up HEALTH issues. PERIOD.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Anyone not fitting the current standard of beauty should be ashamed of themselves.

Is a truly obese person healthy?
flan
So less than healthy people dont deserve to exid or be seen or try to look good?
Where was that said exactly?

And quoting for LGS...

flan

Lindley · Guru

I think we all need to eat healthier especially growing children. That said just because someone is a plus size doesn't mean they can't dress, look, and feel beautiful. When Delta Burke was playing Suzanne Sugarbaker on Designing women she was a plus size and very beautiful. I don't think the ads are trying to promote obesity but providing woman a variety of choices of clothing that would not only fit but also be flattering.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The whole world is now supposed to pretend that men are women and that women are men. And, if you don't, then somehow you are uncaring, uncivilized, etc. But, they same ones who are soooo "tolerant" seem to be the biggest fat shamers. Go figure.
You need to go back and READ this thread. A few of us brought up HEALTH issues. PERIOD.
flan

No. The whole gist of the thread is about models. That those deemed overweight should not be models and should not put themselves out there are desirable, sexy, fashionable or whatever.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The whole world is now supposed to pretend that men are women and that women are men. And, if you don't, then somehow you are uncaring, uncivilized, etc. But, they same ones who are soooo "tolerant" seem to be the biggest fat shamers. Go figure.
You need to go back and READ this thread. A few of us brought up HEALTH issues. PERIOD.
flan
No. The whole gist of the thread is about models. That those deemed overweight should not be models and should not put themselves out there are desirable, sexy, fashionable or whatever.

Who said that?

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Some of you are railing against them as models. Why can't they model clothes? What does that have to do with health issues?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

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lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ok. The sizes for that start at 14 and go to 28.

WI'll that look the same on a size 2? What about a size 28?