A better question could be asked of EVERY student ...

"Is there anything in your backpack that you shouldn't have? May I take a quick look?"

FNW wrote:

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See something, say something. Then get sued.

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 "Something?"

It was a BACKPACK...something ALL students carry.

flan

just Czech wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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See something, say something. Then get sued.

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 "Something?"

It was a BACKPACK...something ALL students carry.

flan

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So? The Boston bombers carried their bombs in backpacks.

It's a reality. 

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 It would have been something if the girl had looked the teacher in the eye, and said: "Yes."

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Our school can search anything at anytime. Your locker, your car, your backpack. They don't need "probable cause", they can do searches at any time for any reason.

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 That's how our high school is LGS.  Not sure about the middle schools.  I'm pretty sure they're the same.  We have two actual real police officers that patrol the high school with drug sniffing dogs.  DH and I have sometimes seen them taking kids out of school in handcuffs.  Our school bridges into a really wealthy neighborhood (Not the one we live in!  lol)  but the counselor warned us when we enrolled that drugs were an issue.  She said when you get a lot of rich kids with disposable income that happens.

huskerbb wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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A better question could be asked of EVERY student ...

"Is there anything in your backpack that you shouldn't have? May I take a quick look?"

 

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No, see, that's dumb.

 

It's like searching the 80 year old ladies at the airport when you know damn well they aren't the terrorists. 

 

Enough of the PC nonsense.

 

We need to PROFILE.  It works. Israel does it all the time and it's effective.  Narrow down who you have to look at.   

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I can see the need for profiling, in a lot of situations. 

In an airport. Or a stadium. Etc.

But to single out a 12 year old girl, at school?

Because she wore a head scarf? 

Do random checks. Every 5th or 10th kid, or whatever.

Don't single out a child, because of how she is dressed.

ed11563 wrote:

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Fort Worth Mom wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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A better question could be asked of EVERY student ...

"Is there anything in your backpack that you shouldn't have? May I take a quick look?"

 

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No, see, that's dumb.

 

It's like searching the 80 year old ladies at the airport when you know damn well they aren't the terrorists. 

 

Enough of the PC nonsense.

 

We need to PROFILE.  It works. Israel does it all the time and it's effective.  Narrow down who you have to look at.   

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I can see the need for profiling, in a lot of situations. 

In an airport. Or a stadium. Etc.

But to single out a 12 year old girl, at school?

Because she wore a head scarf? 

Do random checks. Every 5th or 10th kid, or whatever.

Don't single out a child, because of how she is dressed.

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I think profiling WOULD point to any 12 year old Muslim girl wearing traditional clothing and carrying a backpack.

 

 

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Except that, every other 12 year old, attending the school, would be carrying a backpack, too.

Regardless, of how they were dressed.

If a terrorist sicko, really wanted to send their 12 year old child into school with a bomb in their backpack...my guess is...they wouldn't be dressed in a Muslim garb.

They'd be in Levi's and a T-shirt. 

Just like the majority of the kids.

huskerbb wrote:

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Fort Worth Mom wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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A better question could be asked of EVERY student ...

"Is there anything in your backpack that you shouldn't have? May I take a quick look?"

 

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No, see, that's dumb.

 

It's like searching the 80 year old ladies at the airport when you know damn well they aren't the terrorists. 

 

Enough of the PC nonsense.

 

We need to PROFILE.  It works. Israel does it all the time and it's effective.  Narrow down who you have to look at.   

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I can see the need for profiling, in a lot of situations. 

In an airport. Or a stadium. Etc.

But to single out a 12 year old girl, at school?

Because she wore a head scarf? 

Do random checks. Every 5th or 10th kid, or whatever.

Don't single out a child, because of how she is dressed.

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BS.  That is USELESS.   That's what we do now--we try to be PC and instead of focusing on those most likely to be a threat, we waste BILLIONS of dollars and man hours on those who are in no way a threat.  

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BS. The Boston Bombers looked pretty normal.

No one gave them, a second look, based on how they were dressed. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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That teacher was out of line. People need to learn to keep their trap shut - not every thought that enters your head has to come out of your mouth.

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And that's EXACTLY how we got the San Bernadino incident. People kept their trap shut.  

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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That teacher was out of line. People need to learn to keep their trap shut - not every thought that enters your head has to come out of your mouth.

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 But this WASN'T San Bernadino...Stop seeing boogeymen around every corner.

flan

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Neither was San Bernadino--until it was.  There's essentially zero difference.

NO ONE is a terrorist until something happens, then it's too late.  

flan327 wrote:

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Fort Worth Mom wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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Fort Worth Mom wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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ed11563 wrote:

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A better question could be asked of EVERY student ...

"Is there anything in your backpack that you shouldn't have? May I take a quick look?"

 

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No, see, that's dumb.

 

It's like searching the 80 year old ladies at the airport when you know damn well they aren't the terrorists. 

 

Enough of the PC nonsense.

 

We need to PROFILE.  It works. Israel does it all the time and it's effective.  Narrow down who you have to look at.   

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I can see the need for profiling, in a lot of situations. 

In an airport. Or a stadium. Etc.

But to single out a 12 year old girl, at school?

Because she wore a head scarf? 

Do random checks. Every 5th or 10th kid, or whatever.

Don't single out a child, because of how she is dressed.

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I think profiling WOULD point to any 12 year old Muslim girl wearing traditional clothing and carrying a backpack.

 

 

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Except that, every other 12 year old, attending the school, would be carrying a backpack, too.

Regardless, of how they were dressed.

If a terrorist sicko, really wanted to send their 12 year old child into school with a bomb in their backpack...my guess is...they wouldn't be dressed in a Muslim garb.

They'd be in Levi's and a T-shirt. 

Just like the majority of the kids.

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 I already said that, but some people refuse to think logically.

flan

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Because it's irrelevant.  There were probably hundreds of people who carried box-cutters, scissors, knives, etc.... onto flights on 9/11--but only a select few used them to hijack planes. 

It's NOT logical to assume that EVERYONE is going to be a terrorist.  It's MUCH more logical to assume that those groups that have a history of it are much more likely to be.  

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So schools can't be targets??

Um, yeah, whatever.

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Schools can be targets, husker.

I just can't recall a 12 year old girl, ever blowing one up. 

huskerbb wrote:

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You don't think at some point someone could think of doing it here???? Are you that delusional?

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 No, of course not. What about my other question?

flan

Fort Worth Mom wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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What news reports have you been reading? There have been children who have committed violence in schools. There have been children that have committed acts of terror. Many suicide bombers in Israel have been children.

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In the good old USA, husker.

When has a 12 year old girl, ever shot up a school?

Bombed a school?

??????????

I'll wait. 

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There's a first time for everything. When was a social services building shot up by a married couple before a few days ago?  

It's a grisly crime that -- if carried out -- would have shocked Australia to its core. And it was plotted by a schoolboy on the other side of the world.

Britain's youngest terror mastermind has been jailed for life for orchestrating the beheading, which was to have been carried out during a parade in Melbourne on Anzac Day -- a national holiday honoring the country's war dead -- in April this year.

The boy, who admitted directing the jihadist plot and encouraging others to take part, was just 14 when he planned the brutal slaying. He cannot be identified because he is a minor.

Detective Chief Superintendent Tony Mole, head of England's North West Counter Terrorism Unit, said the boy's role was "quite shocking," considering he was "extremely young."

"I think it shows that the ideology, if you're open to it, it takes no prisoners ... there are certain people who fall into the seductive propaganda of some of the ISIL stuff that's pumped out on social media.

"He's been caught up in that, he's explored it and he's escalated into an attack plan, and a credible one, which is an extremely dangerous thing to do."

According to authorities, the attack was to have been carried out in person by his co-conspirator, Sevdet Besim, from Melbourne; the pair had set out the details of the deadly outrage in thousands of messages sent using an encrypted app.

But the plan was foiled, police say, when they were called in after the teenager threatened to behead teachers at his school in northern England, prompting counterterrorism experts to crack the encryption code on his smartphone. Besim awaits trial in Australia on charges of conspiring to commit a terrorist act; he has not yet entered a plea.

Alerted by their counterparts in the UK, Australian police closed in and found "the knife, the flag, and the martyrdom ... script," Mole said.

The boy, who is now 15, was known to have behavioural problems, but his parents, who are divorced, are said to have had no idea their son had been radicalized until police became involved.

The British-born teenager had managed to convince 18-year-old Besim that he was much older and had a history of radicalism, testing the Australian's religious knowledge and determination to carry out an attack.

"He's put himself in the space of authority and Besim has accepted that," said Mole. "That's the mask of social media -- you can, if you [behave] in the right way, ask the right questions, you can show yourself to be that sort of mature person that Besim was ... looking for to give him some guidance."

Authorities claim that over the course of nine days the pair exchanged some 3,000 messages using controversial messaging app Telegram.

Security analysts say members of terror groups like ISIS use encryption apps including Telegram, Surespot, Kik and Wickr to send messages to each other without the risk of them being read by outsiders.

"It is very well known that ISIS -- and not just ISIS -- uses open source social media like Facebook and Twitter to circulate its propaganda," said Charlie Winter, of counter-extremism think tank Quilliam.

"What you also see is people in Syria and Iraq who self-advertise as Islamic State fighters and recruiters and they provide the details to their Surespot account, their Kik account, their Telegram account."

British authorities want the ability to monitor such communications.

"Do we want to allow a means of communication between people which -- even in extremis, with a signed warrant from the Home Secretary personally -- we cannot read?" British Prime Minister David Cameron asked in January this year.

His message has been echoed by Andrew Parker, the head of Britain's security service, MI5, who says counterterrorism forces must be able to monitor suspected extremists.

"MI5 and others need to be able to navigate the internet, to find terrorist communication," Parker told the BBC in early September. "We've been pretty successful in recent years but it is becoming more difficult as technology changes faster and faster.

"We need to be able to do in the modern age what we have done in our history -- [we] need to be able to monitor the communications of terrorists and spies."

Telegram's co-founder, Pavel Durov, says he is "sorry" that the teenager was using his app to plot the beheading, but insists: "If Telegram did not exist, this young boy would have used some other app."

A Russian exile, Durov says he's seen first-hand what happens when a government has too much power over information.

"What I saw in countries like Russia [and] many other places is that when law enforcement bodies get access or can get access to the data eventually it leads to abusing that kind of power."

He says people have the right to secure communication, and warns it is almost impossible to limit the spread of encrypted technology.

But later this year, the British government plans to introduce draft legislation dealing with encryption -- in the hopes of stopping the next teenage terrorist.

huskerbb wrote:

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Fort Worth Mom wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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What news reports have you been reading? There have been children who have committed violence in schools. There have been children that have committed acts of terror. Many suicide bombers in Israel have been children.

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In the good old USA, husker.

When has a 12 year old girl, ever shot up a school?

Bombed a school?

??????????

I'll wait. 

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There's a first time for everything. When was a social services building shot up by a married couple before a few days ago?  

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Yes, there's a first time for everything.

So, it's okay to pick on a 12 year old child.

Single her out, because of how she was dressed?

Not ask any of the other kids, if they had a bomb in their backpack?

Good grief!