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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Dear Prudie: My family carries concealed guns around my 2 yr old

Cheerios4606 · Guru

I agreed with prudie up until the part she said "then they have no business owning a gun". Exercising my right to have a firearm does not require approval on your part.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

They can own guns. But, if they don't feel comfortable sending their child over when they aren't locked up, then don't.

huskerbb · Guru

I disagree wholly with Prudie.

She says they have a "flippant" attitude towards gun safety. NOTHING in the letter suggests that--they just don't want to do what the LW wants them to. That does not mean they are unsafe when they handle firearms.

Now, do I think it's a bit silly to carry a gun around your own damn house all the time? Yes. However, it is beyond unlikely that a 2 year old will get one off of a person and mess with it.

Now, those that are in a purse or otherwise not directly controlled by the person need to be put where a 2 year old can't get at them.

At the time same, the mantra around here is "my house my rules"--unless the people in the other house do something you don't approve of, then, apparently, that goes out the window and becomes "your house, my rules."

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I didn't even read the response.

The LW needs to open her eyes.

There are guns around her child anytime she is out in public.

She needs to shut up and suck it up.

Watch your kid.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

LW has a right to her feelings. And she's NOT referring to random strangers, but her FAMILY.

It makes me uncomfortable that DS2 wears his gun all the time, but it's his house & his daughter...

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
LW has a right to her feelings. And she's NOT referring to random strangers, but her FAMILY.

It makes me uncomfortable that DS2 wears his gun all the time, but it's his house & his daughter...

flan

She has a right to her feelings--that doesn't mean they have to do anything different just because of those.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LW has a right to her feelings. And she's NOT referring to random strangers, but her FAMILY.

It makes me uncomfortable that DS2 wears his gun all the time, but it's his house & his daughter...

flan
She has a right to her feelings--that doesn't mean they have to do anything different just because of those.

I say they should WANT to, though. If she feels strongly enough, she may keep the grandkid away from them.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I don't get what the big deal is. They are carrying their guns ON THEM. The guns are not sitting out around the house for the two year old to get. If you are holding a child on your lap and they, for some weird reason, go to take your gun STOP THEM. This whole thing sounds silly. A gun on your body is secure. Way more secure than one laying around.

Lindley · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't get what the big deal is. They are carrying their guns ON THEM. The guns are not sitting out around the house for the two year old to get. If you are holding a child on your lap and they, for some weird reason, go to take your gun STOP THEM. This whole thing sounds silly. A gun on your body is secure. Way more secure than one laying around.

This, when I took a conceal &carry course you had to not only show you can handle a gun but also gun safety. I can appreciate her concern though.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lindley wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I don't get what the big deal is. They are carrying their guns ON THEM. The guns are not sitting out around the house for the two year old to get. If you are holding a child on your lap and they, for some weird reason, go to take your gun STOP THEM. This whole thing sounds silly. A gun on your body is secure. Way more secure than one laying around.
This, when I took a conceal &carry course you had to not only show you can handle a gun but also gun safety. I can appreciate her concern though.

She is choosing how to raise her child. I understand that.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I could understand it if there was a safety issue. These people are not being irresponsible gun owners.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
I could understand it if there was a safety issue. These people are not being irresponsible gun owners.

Some people hate guns. It's a gut reaction, I'm guessing.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And while I totally understand that flan, that's still HER problem and not theirs.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And while I totally understand that flan, that's still HER problem and not theirs.

I agree.

flan

FNW · Guru

Well they weren't very concealed if he had it on him, now was it?

Personally, I was raised with guns. My FIL has guns. That being said, we were visiting one time and FIL and DH took the boys upstairs to look at his trains. It was a little unnerving when FIL's wife looked startled and said, "oh, I hope John put his guns away. He usually puts them under the bed when the kids are coming...I hope he remembered."

Knowing DH & FIL weren't the best at paying attention to what the boys were doing, I promptly brought the boys downstairs. Under the bed or not, I know FIL keeps them loaded and ready to shoot, and no way was I going to trust them to make sure the boys didn't go looking under the bed for some toy they dropped.

You can't control the actions of others, but you can control your own actions. I didn't feel comfortable at their house (for that any other reasons). So if we went, I wouldn't let the boys out of my sight. Which doesn't always make for an enjoyable visit.

-- Edited by FNW on Sunday 13th of December 2015 03:40:33 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And while I totally understand that flan, that's still HER problem and not theirs.
I agree.
flan

She has the right to do whatever she wants in her own home but she better be ready to face the consequences of telling people they can't come over if they won't leave their gun behind.

ed11563 · Guru

FNW wrote:
Well they weren't very concealed if he had it on him, now was it?

Personally, I was raised with guns. My FIL has guns. That being said, we were visiting one time and FIL and DH took the boys upstairs to look at his trains. It was a little unnerving when FIL's wife looked startled and said, "oh, I hope John put his guns away. He usually puts them under the bed when the kids are coming...I hope he remembered."

Knowing DH & FIL weren't the best at paying attention to what the boys were doing, I promptly brought the boys downstairs. Under the bed or not, I know FIL keeps them loaded and ready to shoot, and no way was I going to trust them to make sure the boys didn't go looking under the bed for some toy they dropped.

You can't control the actions of others, but you can control your own actions. I didn't feel comfortable at their house (for that any other reasons). So if we went, I wouldn't let the boys out of my sight. Which doesn't always make for an enjoyable visit.

-- Edited by FNW on Sunday 13th of December 2015 03:40:33 PM

Along the same lines,

When I was (I think 3 and 4, or maybe 4 and 5), my family went to a summer barbecue at the home of a police officer, who was one of Dad's friends.

There were at least a dozen kids under the age of 10. The kids played together, under the watchful eye of ...

no one.

Each time, at one point we were all in one of the bedrooms, when one of the boys who lived there climbed up on a chair, and brought a box down from the top shelf of the closet.

Inside were two of his dad's pistols ... and a box of bullets.

When I was holding one of the revolvers, I clearly remember trying to pull the trigger ....

Even with both hands, it was too hard for me to pull the trigger and fire the gun.

Did it have bullets in it? I was little, I don't know. Did anyone of the dozen kids there actually fire a pistol ????

Spoiler: no

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And while I totally understand that flan, that's still HER problem and not theirs.
I agree.
flan
She has the right to do whatever she wants in her own home but she better be ready to face the consequences of telling people they can't come over if they won't leave their gun behind.

Fine. Then, don't come over. It's her child and she gets to make her own rules.

FNW · Guru

Police officers are supposed to keep their guns in a locked box at home.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
LW has a right to her feelings. And she's NOT referring to random strangers, but her FAMILY.

It makes me uncomfortable that DS2 wears his gun all the time, but it's his house & his daughter...

flan
She has a right to her feelings--that doesn't mean they have to do anything different just because of those.
I say they should WANT to, though. If she feels strongly enough, she may keep the grandkid away from them.
flan

BS. Just because you "feel" something doesn't mean everyone around you has to change what they do.

I "feel" that everyone should eat meat 3 meals a day--does that mean that when I go to someone's house I have the right to demand that they do so?

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And while I totally understand that flan, that's still HER problem and not theirs.
I agree.
flan
She has the right to do whatever she wants in her own home but she better be ready to face the consequences of telling people they can't come over if they won't leave their gun behind.

But she is going to their house.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yeah so dont go over.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah so dont go over.

Sure--she always has that option--but she doesn't want to do that. What she wants is everyone else to do what she wants them to do.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And while I totally understand that flan, that's still HER problem and not theirs.
I agree.
flan
She has the right to do whatever she wants in her own home but she better be ready to face the consequences of telling people they can't come over if they won't leave their gun behind.
But she is going to their house.

Well in that case she can deal. Their house their rules. If she doesn't like it don't go. Honestly, if someone is carrying gun ON them it is holstered and much safer than a gun laying around the house. Unless, of course, her son is superman and can rip the gun off the person without them knowing. I find this whole letter odd and think she's lying about something. If they are carrying concealed weapons then by definition the weapons can't be seen. My DH has carried for years concealed and not one single person has ever said, "Are you wearing a gun?" Even police officers haven't noticed. Once when got rear ended we had to call the police but DH told him outright. The second time he got stopped for speeding and again DH told him outright. They would have never known otherwise. So I call BS on this letter. This is her irrational fear of guns taking over.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah so dont go over.
Sure--she always has that option--but she doesn't want to do that. What she wants is everyone else to do what she wants them to do.

Life doesn't work like that.

huskerbb · Guru

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
And while I totally understand that flan, that's still HER problem and not theirs.
I agree.
flan
She has the right to do whatever she wants in her own home but she better be ready to face the consequences of telling people they can't come over if they won't leave their gun behind.
But she is going to their house.
Well in that case she can deal. Their house their rules. If she doesn't like it don't go. Honestly, if someone is carrying gun ON them it is holstered and much safer than a gun laying around the house. Unless, of course, her son is superman and can rip the gun off the person without them knowing. I find this whole letter odd and think she's lying about something. If they are carrying concealed weapons then by definition the weapons can't be seen. My DH has carried for years concealed and not one single person has ever said, "Are you wearing a gun?" Even police officers haven't noticed. Once when got rear ended we had to call the police but DH told him outright. The second time he got stopped for speeding and again DH told him outright. They would have never known otherwise. So I call BS on this letter. This is her irrational fear of guns taking over.

Well, that's for sure.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And Prudence said they're flippant about gun safety. NOWHERE in that letter did it say they unsafe with the guns. What it said is that she doesn't want them carrying them at all.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

So why did the grandpa admit he was carrying? I doubt the LW would have known otherwise.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

flan327 wrote:
So why did the grandpa admit he was carrying? I doubt the LW would have known otherwise.

flan

Who knows? Because if you're truly carrying concealed no one should be able to notice.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
So why did the grandpa admit he was carrying? I doubt the LW would have known otherwise.

flan

I think it just came up in casual conversation. They probably had no idea the LW would flip out.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So why did the grandpa admit he was carrying? I doubt the LW would have known otherwise.

flan
I think it just came up in casual conversation. They probably had no idea the LW would flip out.

I don't think the LW is shy about stating her views on guns.

I'm guessing the grandpa was making a point about how safe it was.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So why did the grandpa admit he was carrying? I doubt the LW would have known otherwise.

flan
I think it just came up in casual conversation. They probably had no idea the LW would flip out.
I don't think the LW is shy about stating her views on guns.
I'm guessing the grandpa was making a point about how safe it was.
flan

But it may not have come up before.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So why did the grandpa admit he was carrying? I doubt the LW would have known otherwise.

flan
I think it just came up in casual conversation. They probably had no idea the LW would flip out.
I don't think the LW is shy about stating her views on guns.
I'm guessing the grandpa was making a point about how safe it was.
flan
But it may not have come up before.

LW said:

I have a young child and want to make sure none of our family has guns anywhere near him. My mother told me that their guns would be locked up during Christmas.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Sorry 2 yr olds are very curious. I dont think gramps needs a loaded gun in his pocket in his own home with his grandchild on his lap. That makes mom uncomfortable. Gun accidents are a reality. So let them keep their guns however they sant but mom can just not bring the kid over.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

I re-read the letter & the LW refers to her mother's husband, not her step-father.

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
So why did the grandpa admit he was carrying? I doubt the LW would have known otherwise.

flan
I think it just came up in casual conversation. They probably had no idea the LW would flip out.
I don't think the LW is shy about stating her views on guns.
I'm guessing the grandpa was making a point about how safe it was.
flan
But it may not have come up before.
LW said:
I have a young child and want to make sure none of our family has guns anywhere near him. My mother told me that their guns would be locked up during Christmas.
flan

Try to follow, flan. It might not have come up BEFORE they got the guns.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry 2 yr olds are very curious. I dont think gramps needs a loaded gun in his pocket in his own home with his grandchild on his lap. That makes mom uncomfortable. Gun accidents are a reality. So let them keep their guns however they sant but mom can just not bring the kid over.

She doesn't want that.

And just because something makes mom "uncomfortable" doesn't mean diddly squat.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh it absolutely does mean squat if you want to see your grandkids. If they dont care about that then fine.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh it absolutely does mean squat if you want to see your grandkids. If they dont care about that then fine.

LOL!!! You don't seem to be able to read the letter. She doesn't want to take that step.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh it absolutely does mean squat if you want to see your grandkids. If they dont care about that then fine.
LOL!!! You don't seem to be able to read the letter. She doesn't want to take that step.

husker, we must be reading different letters...

Before we travel the long distance home for the holidays I need to make sure there will not be guns around my son (or any of the kids).

If she doesn't get a promise, I think it's a distinct possibility that she will stay home.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh it absolutely does mean squat if you want to see your grandkids. If they dont care about that then fine.
LOL!!! You don't seem to be able to read the letter. She doesn't want to take that step.

She may have too.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I'd love to know why she trusts her parents so little that she thinks they would put her child in danger. Because actually wearing a concealed gun is dumb. No one would know. And her kid must be a real brat if he's trying to take things off people.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh the 2 yr old is a brat and to blame? Eow.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I'd like to know why the grandparents have so little regard for mom. Maybe they are the Brats.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

But the kid didn't know the gun was there.

flan

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

The mom states her kid will take the gun off someone (get a hold of it). Personally I don't see how that can happen but if she's taught her kid to do that then that speaks for itself.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

They are adults. Having a baby doesn't entitle you to blackmail them with it.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Nor do they get to run roughshod over her concerns

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Nor do they get to run roughshod over her concerns

Her concerns are about telling them what to do on their person and in their home.