TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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There is nowhere where there was "blackmail". She wants to visit them. But, it makes her hella uncomfortable. As loving grandparents, I would think they would understand that. So, sometimes you make compromises for people you love.
But, funny how now you are calling HER a "demanding wench or blackmailing". Uh huh.

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 She is the one making demands.  The letter does not contain any examples whatsoever of them being careless or otherwise irresponsible.  It's just her being uncomfortable with the idea.  That's HER problem. 

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 She's uncomfortable.  It doesn't matter why.  She doesn't have to wait until there is accident to "justify" how she feels.  That is how she feels be it right or wrong.  So, they can choose to act like loving grandparents or not.  

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 So now people have to change every time their child is "uncomfortable"? 

 

Gaga is in the "I'm going to argue just to argue" mood today. 

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And I'm uncomfortable seeing guys in sagging pants.  It doesn't matter why, I don't have to justify it.  So they need to pull their pants up...

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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It takes 2 people to argue LL. And, stating your uncomfortable and having an opinion about something isn't " demand or blackmail". If they wish to view it as that, then that is on them.

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 Call it whatever you want.  It doesn't mean they aren't "loving" just because they won't give in on an unreasonable--well, whatever you want to call it.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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A person who has a concealed carry permit has gone through the requirements for getting said permit. Who is the daughter to say they are unsafe with it? She just doesn't like guns - that doesn't make the parents unsafe or irresponsible with them.

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 Requirements?  There are no gun safety requirements to get a permit.  You fill out a form, get a background check and that's it.  There is nothing in that at all about commonsense and gun safety.

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 There is a background check.  But again - who is she to say they do not know gun safety? 

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 Who are you to say that they do?

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 They obviously think they do and they are grown ups.  That means their child doesn't get to tell them what to do.  Her being "uncomfortable" doesn't mean they have to give in to her every demand and whim. 

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 She asked ONE thing. ONE.

flan

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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There is nowhere where there was "blackmail". She wants to visit them. But, it makes her hella uncomfortable. As loving grandparents, I would think they would understand that. So, sometimes you make compromises for people you love.
But, funny how now you are calling HER a "demanding wench or blackmailing". Uh huh.

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 She is the one making demands.  The letter does not contain any examples whatsoever of them being careless or otherwise irresponsible.  It's just her being uncomfortable with the idea.  That's HER problem. 

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 She's uncomfortable.  It doesn't matter why.  She doesn't have to wait until there is accident to "justify" how she feels.  That is how she feels be it right or wrong.  So, they can choose to act like loving grandparents or not.  

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 Of course it matters why.  Some things, like this, are ridiculously unreasonable and others don't have to act in accordance.

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 And you are welcome to your opinion.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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A person who has a concealed carry permit has gone through the requirements for getting said permit. Who is the daughter to say they are unsafe with it? She just doesn't like guns - that doesn't make the parents unsafe or irresponsible with them.

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 Requirements?  There are no gun safety requirements to get a permit.  You fill out a form, get a background check and that's it.  There is nothing in that at all about commonsense and gun safety.

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 There is a background check.  But again - who is she to say they do not know gun safety? 

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 Who are you to say that they do?

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 They obviously think they do and they are grown ups.  That means their child doesn't get to tell them what to do.  Her being "uncomfortable" doesn't mean they have to give in to her every demand and whim. 

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 She asked ONE thing. ONE.

flan

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 You absolutely do not know that.  This is the one thing she wrote about.  You have no idea what other things she expects them to change or do.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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A person who has a concealed carry permit has gone through the requirements for getting said permit. Who is the daughter to say they are unsafe with it? She just doesn't like guns - that doesn't make the parents unsafe or irresponsible with them.

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 Requirements?  There are no gun safety requirements to get a permit.  You fill out a form, get a background check and that's it.  There is nothing in that at all about commonsense and gun safety.

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 There is a background check.  But again - who is she to say they do not know gun safety? 

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 Who are you to say that they do?

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 They obviously think they do and they are grown ups.  That means their child doesn't get to tell them what to do.  Her being "uncomfortable" doesn't mean they have to give in to her every demand and whim. 

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 She asked ONE thing. ONE.

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 So what?  one shouldn't have to give in to any ridiculous demands.

You guys need to imagine, for one minute, growing up WITHOUT guns. It makes a huge difference.

flan

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You guys need to imagine, for one minute, growing up WITHOUT guns. It makes a huge difference.

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 You need to imagine growing up with them.  

No one is saying you or the LW needs to get a gun.  That doesn't mean everyone you, or she, knows that has one has to get rid of it just because you, or she, doesn't like them.  Not your, or her, decision to make.

sure, she can refuse to see them if she wants and spend the holidays at home.  She doesn't want to take that option.  She can compromise as much as they can.

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Her choice if she wants to go or not.

However, from the letter her mother said the guns would be locked up at Christmas. I do not know why she doubts this. I would imagine if the siblings are staying the night they would probably secure their guns in their rooms and not carry in the house. The incident with the father does not say where he was so, so I do not know if he carries around the house.

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 She seems to doubt it because everyone did not take "lock the guns up when you are visiting at Christmas" to mean, "don't ever carry a gun anywhere near the child".

First, SOME states you don't have to have a license to carry concealed. In Texas you have to apply for a concealed carry permit. You have to do an FBI background check and pass it. There are many requirements to carrying concealed. Plus you have to take an eight hour class on gun safety AND be able to shoot proficiently. IOW's you have to actually PASS A SHOOTING TEST! This process is very time consuming and costly. I don't know anyone who goes through this lengthy process just to keep their guns locked up in a safe. That doesn't even make sense. To work so hard to be able to carry concealed and then to not do it. Why even bother?

Second, if you are carrying concealed it is concealed. It is not seen. It is hidden.

Third, why can't anyone explain to me HOW a two year old can get under the shirt of an adult, get a gun out of a side holster, take the safety off, and pull the trigger of a handgun without the adult who is wearing it knowing or feeling it. Just how does that happen? If someone here can explain that I'd love to know. I just don't see how this is even possible.

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a two year old can rip a gun out of a holster while an adult is holding them.

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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a two year old can rip a gun out of a holster while an adult is holding them.

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Alcohol. People become much less responsible and observant after a few beers. 

 

 

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 Well, if you take a gun safety course in order to conceal carry you have to acknowledge that you won't carry if you're drinking.

Mon Dieu!! Where do these people live, that they have to be armed every minute? You can't lock up your guns for a day?
Must be some neighbourhood!

Recently, a woman was carrying a gun in her purse at Walmart and she left her purse in the cart for a moment with her kid. Her kid pulled out the gun and accidently killed the mother. Gun accidents happen. Anyone who does'nt have an appreciation and healthy respect for that are a danger to kids. Yes. Own guns. Own 1000 of them if you wish. But, with that ownership comes responsibility.

And, btw, this isn't her dad, it's her mom's husband. SHe doesn't even call him Step dad. So, he violated her trust by later telling her he had his gun on him. Why should she trust him? Sorry but he should have some sensibility to defer to his wife in dealing with her daughter and grandchild.

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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me how a two year old can rip a gun out of a holster while an adult is holding them.

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Alcohol. People become much less responsible and observant after a few beers. 

 

 

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?????  There is ZERO indication in the letter that they will be drinking any amount of alcohol.   

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NJN asked a question, I answered it. 

Do people ever drink while packing?

 

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 Of course they do.  And, I agree, there are a lot of people on drugs, prescription meds, etc that raises a concern. 

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Recently, a woman was carrying a gun in her purse at Walmart and she left her purse in the cart for a moment with her kid. Her kid pulled out the gun and accidently killed the mother. Gun accidents happen. Anyone who does'nt have an appreciation and healthy respect for that are a danger to kids. Yes. Own guns. Own 1000 of them if you wish. But, with that ownership comes responsibility.

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You don't know that these people don't have such a respect.  The mother even said they were going to lock them up.  There is NOTHING to suggest otherwise.  

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She probably knows these people better than you do, and she's worried. 

 

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Recently, a woman was carrying a gun in her purse at Walmart and she left her purse in the cart for a moment with her kid. Her kid pulled out the gun and accidently killed the mother. Gun accidents happen. Anyone who does'nt have an appreciation and healthy respect for that are a danger to kids. Yes. Own guns. Own 1000 of them if you wish. But, with that ownership comes responsibility.

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You don't know that these people don't have such a respect.  The mother even said they were going to lock them up.  There is NOTHING to suggest otherwise.  

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She probably knows these people better than you do, and she's worried. 

 

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Then she should have put those concerns in the letter.  She said NOTHING about them being unsafe. Just that she doesn't like it when they carry them.  That is NOT a "concern".