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The argument for killing innocents is going on two threads. If we keep it up the Trump thread will have to be merged. I am not getting how killing innocent children will solve anything. Killing terrorist yes, killing children no.

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You lay with dogs, you get fleas...just saying.


 Then we should all die.  Because every society has bad people.


Yes they do.  And their communities don't defend them.  They speak out against them and stop them at all costs.  Muslims are the exception... 


 ALL Muslims?  You only see and hear what the media wants you to see and hear, and you only pay attention to what you agree with. 

 

These are images from around the world.  Muslims protecting Christians.  You live in a wonderful world where you can say what you want without fear of reprisal or death.  Not a whole lot of Muslims do.

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Do you really Believe we can wage war and not kill a single innocent? Yes or no.


 The duty is in trying to minimize it.  Not simply shrugging our shoulders and saying the end justifies the means. 



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I didn't say ALL. But the VAST majority are silent. I would say 99% of the non radicals are silent.

I've seen those in the news, they are few and far between....

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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?

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These are images from around the world. Muslims protecting Christians. You live in a wonderful world where you can say what you want without fear of reprisal or death. Not a whole lot of Muslims do.

Then they really shouldn't be Muslim now should they?  If their very religion wants them dead, that would seem a good reason to get out, don't ya think?



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I didn't say ALL. But the VAST majority are silent. I would say 99% of the non radicals are silent.

I've seen those in the news, they are few and far between....


 So you expect them to risk their lives daily shaking their fingers at people who would think nothing of killing them?  You are afraid of Muslim terrorists and yet they have no right to be?  Uh huh.  You expect a lot out of mothers who want to protect their children, and women with no rights whatsoever.  They can't even show thier faces in public in their own countries and you expect them to stand up to terrorists.



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These are images from around the world. Muslims protecting Christians. You live in a wonderful world where you can say what you want without fear of reprisal or death. Not a whole lot of Muslims do.

Then they really shouldn't be Muslim now should they?  If their very religion wants them dead, that would seem a good reason to get out, don't ya think?


 If they weren't Muslim, they'd probably be dead.  You really have no idea the amount of privilege you have as an American woman, do you?



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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing threat as well.

 



-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Wednesday 16th of December 2015 05:32:32 PM

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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 They  are murderers. Of course they can be held accountable.  Kill them all, I don't care.  But you can't just kill innocents because they happen to live in the same country and practice the same religion. 

 



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These are images from around the world. Muslims protecting Christians. You live in a wonderful world where you can say what you want without fear of reprisal or death. Not a whole lot of Muslims do.

Then they really shouldn't be Muslim now should they?  If their very religion wants them dead, that would seem a good reason to get out, don't ya think?


 If they weren't Muslim, they'd probably be dead.  You really have no idea the amount of privilege you have as an American woman, do you?


Not my problem.  They are tacitly supporting a religion that wants me dead.  Better them than me... 



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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 They  are murderers. Of course they can be held accountable.  Kill them all, I don't care.  But you can't just kill innocents because they happen to live in the same country and practice the same religion. 

 


They use human shields, how can they be killed without killing their human shields? 



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 I'm going commando...

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That's so classy.

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I rarely read the long stuff.

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 It's just saying they don't worship the same God, and they will cause the end times.  It's just trying to justify the sudden rabid Westboro Baptist mentality.


 Thanks, LL. I appreciate it.

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You lay with dogs, you get fleas...just saying.


 Not if you use Frontline.

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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing treat as well.

 


Boko Haram.

Haram, not harem. 



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weltschmerz wrote:
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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing treat as well.

 


Boko Haram.

Haram, not harem. 


 Thanks. 



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing treat as well.

 


Boko Haram.

Haram, not harem. 


 Thanks. 


Do you know what "haram" means? 



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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 They  are murderers. Of course they can be held accountable.  Kill them all, I don't care.  But you can't just kill innocents because they happen to live in the same country and practice the same religion. 

 


They use human shields, how can they be killed without killing their human shields? 


 That is for us to figure out as civilized people, not just shrug and kill them all.



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I respectfully disagree. The longer it takes to "figure it out", which i dont believe can be done, the more people they kill...
You are exactly what they are counting on LL. They know they will win over people like you that will fault us for killing innocents...

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I respectfully disagree. The longer it takes to "figure it out", which i dont believe can be done, the more people they kill...
You are exactly what they are counting on LL. They know they will win over people like you that will fault us for killing innocents...


 Better to die with our souls intact than become them.



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My soul is well...we are not the attacker...

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weltschmerz wrote:
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I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing treat as well.

 


Boko Haram.

Haram, not harem. 


 Thanks. 


Do you know what "haram" means? 


 Yes. 

Are you attempting to be snarky?



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lilyofcourse wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing treat as well.

 


Boko Haram.

Haram, not harem. 


 Thanks. 


Do you know what "haram" means? 


 Yes. 

Are you attempting to be snarky?


No. I'm saying there's a big difference between harem and haram. 



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weltschmerz wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing treat as well.

 


Boko Haram.

Haram, not harem. 


 Thanks. 


Do you know what "haram" means? 


 Yes. 

Are you attempting to be snarky?


No. I'm saying there's a big difference between harem and haram. 


 And I said from the jump I wasn't sure I spelled it right.

You gave the correct spelling.

I said thank you.

I would think that it would end with that.



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Spiritual warfare. Not physical tactical warfare. I got it right away go figure.
It's an interesting article.

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Lawyerlady wrote:
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I respectfully disagree. The longer it takes to "figure it out", which i dont believe can be done, the more people they kill...
You are exactly what they are counting on LL. They know they will win over people like you that will fault us for killing innocents...


 Better to die with our souls intact than become them.


 I'm putting that in the Quote thread!

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lilyofcourse wrote:
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lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
just Czech wrote:

I don't believe the Geneva Convention Treaty was signed by ISIS or Al-Quada. So, can they be held accountable for crimes against civilians?


 And Boko harem, did I spell that right? That's a growing treat as well.

 


Boko Haram.

Haram, not harem. 


 Thanks. 


Do you know what "haram" means? 


 Yes. 

Are you attempting to be snarky?


No. I'm saying there's a big difference between harem and haram. 


 And I said from the jump I wasn't sure I spelled it right.

You gave the correct spelling.

I said thank you.

I would think that it would end with that.


 So she's not allowed to ask a question?

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The Muslim religion is fundamentally incompatible with western society and values.

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I looked it up.

Boko Haram is translated as "Western education is forbidden," or "Western influence is a sin," or "Westernization is sacrilege."

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Spiritual warfare. Not physical tactical warfare. I got it right away go figure.
It's an interesting article.


 Thank you.

I didn't think it would be so hard to figure out.

It is an interesting article.

 



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Halal means permitted and Haram means forbidden.

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Halal means permitted and Haram means forbidden.


 Oh, right! I did know that.

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Spiritual warfare. Not physical tactical warfare. I got it right away go figure.
It's an interesting article.


  That was how I took it.



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You lay with dogs, you get fleas...just saying.


 Then we should all die.  Because every society has bad people.


Yes they do.  And their communities don't defend them.  They speak out against them and stop them at all costs.  Muslims are the exception... 


 ALL Muslims?  You only see and hear what the media wants you to see and hear, and you only pay attention to what you agree with. 

 

These are images from around the world.  Muslims protecting Christians.  You live in a wonderful world where you can say what you want without fear of reprisal or death.  Not a whole lot of Muslims do.

MqUkpFg.jpg

 

200-Muslim-youths-protect-Christians.png

 

Imam-Ali-Shrine-Christians.jpg

 

 


 It's a set-up.  Here, come here, we'll protect you.  Rat a tat tat.



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You lay with dogs, you get fleas...just saying.


 Then we should all die.  Because every society has bad people.


Yes they do.  And their communities don't defend them.  They speak out against them and stop them at all costs.  Muslims are the exception... 


 ALL Muslims?  You only see and hear what the media wants you to see and hear, and you only pay attention to what you agree with. 

 

These are images from around the world.  Muslims protecting Christians.  You live in a wonderful world where you can say what you want without fear of reprisal or death.  Not a whole lot of Muslims do.

MqUkpFg.jpg

 

200-Muslim-youths-protect-Christians.png

 

Imam-Ali-Shrine-Christians.jpg

 

 


 It's a set-up.  Here, come here, we'll protect you.  Rat a tat tat.


Who do they need protection FROM???

 

That's what I thought.   



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islamic terrorists have no qualms about killing innocents--that is a fundamental FACT not an opinion--they need to know and believe that we will stop at nothing, including the death of innocents, to eliminate them and their terrorist networks--if we are to survive there is no other way--and for those of us that are religious and practicing our own faith--if we are not ALIVE and PRESENT in this world to pray and minister, then everything else is academic

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islamic terrorists have no qualms about killing innocents--that is a fundamental FACT not an opinion--they need to know and believe that we will stop at nothing, including the death of innocents, to eliminate them and their terrorist networks--if we are to survive there is no other way--and for those of us that are religious and practicing our own faith--if we are not ALIVE and PRESENT in this world to pray and minister, then everything else is academic


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islamic terrorists have no qualms about killing innocents--that is a fundamental FACT not an opinion--they need to know and believe that we will stop at nothing, including the death of innocents, to eliminate them and their terrorist networks--if we are to survive there is no other way--and for those of us that are religious and practicing our own faith--if we are not ALIVE and PRESENT in this world to pray and minister, then everything else is academic


 You cannot defeat evil by becoming evil.  Find a better way.


   You can't defeat evil by pretending it isn't there and pretending there is some other 'solution' that fits nicely into our ideas of what is "nice and fair".    They are killing US.  They are killing Americans, viciously and on purpose and targeting civilians.  WE are trying to take out their leadership and supply chains, and yes some innocent people will be killed along the way.  I am sorry you cannot accept that for some reason but that is cold hard reality.



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The point of the OP is this isn't about us beating it.

It's about the reason behind it.

This isn't some random religious group rising.

This is the false religion of the last days.

The OP does a great job of laying out who, what, why and how.

And it ends when God sends Jesus back to lock Satan away in the pit forever.



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islamic terrorists have no qualms about killing innocents--that is a fundamental FACT not an opinion--they need to know and believe that we will stop at nothing, including the death of innocents, to eliminate them and their terrorist networks--if we are to survive there is no other way--and for those of us that are religious and practicing our own faith--if we are not ALIVE and PRESENT in this world to pray and minister, then everything else is academic


 You cannot defeat evil by becoming evil.  Find a better way.


   You can't defeat evil by pretending it isn't there and pretending there is some other 'solution' that fits nicely into our ideas of what is "nice and fair".    They are killing US.  They are killing Americans, viciously and on purpose and targeting civilians.  WE are trying to take out their leadership and supply chains, and yes some innocent people will be killed along the way.  I am sorry you cannot accept that for some reason but that is cold hard reality.


 Who said pretend it isn't there?  That whole lie down with dogs, you get fleas - same thing - if you act like them, you become them.  And they win.  If you cannot understand the difference between accidental casualties and carelessly and callously bombing places with civilians - that is a very sad thing. 



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How are we "acting like them"? Seriously? Wow. You are going to claim that our soldiers and our country "acts like them"? Are we beheading innocent people in the streets? No. We have the right to protect and defend our country and families. Wow.

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How are we "acting like them"? Seriously? Wow. You are going to claim that our soldiers and our country "acts like them"? Are we beheading innocent people in the streets? No. We have the right to protect and defend our country and families. Wow.


 When you callously kill innocent children through carelessness and shrug your shoulders and don't care - that is being them.

It is no different to kill people just because they are Muslim than it is for them to kill people just because they are Christian. 



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How are we "acting like them"? Seriously? Wow. You are going to claim that our soldiers and our country "acts like them"? Are we beheading innocent people in the streets? No. We have the right to protect and defend our country and families. Wow.


 When you callously kill innocent children through carelessness and shrug your shoulders and don't care - that is being them.

It is no different to kill people just because they are Muslim than it is for them to kill people just because they are Christian. 


 Who is shrugging and callously killing innocent children?  Is someone on this board doing that?  I must have missed that.



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Is someoen in the US Govt doing that? Who?

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How are we "acting like them"? Seriously? Wow. You are going to claim that our soldiers and our country "acts like them"? Are we beheading innocent people in the streets? No. We have the right to protect and defend our country and families. Wow.


 And how is killing innocent children protecting your families.  Oh, "collateral damage".  That is not ok. 

"Thou shall not kill" does not apply just to others, regardless of your justification. 

You want to kill those who have killed - have at it to your heart's content.  But there is no justification whatsoever for choosing to kill innocent people because it's easier to get the enemy that way. 

We have the resources and the ability to deal with this strategically - but bombing would be easier, wouldn't it?



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How are we "acting like them"? Seriously? Wow. You are going to claim that our soldiers and our country "acts like them"? Are we beheading innocent people in the streets? No. We have the right to protect and defend our country and families. Wow.


 And how is killing innocent children protecting your families.  Oh, "collateral damage".  That is not ok. 

"Thou shall not kill" does not apply just to others, regardless of your justification. 

You want to kill those who have killed - have at it to your heart's content.  But there is no justification whatsoever for choosing to kill innocent people because it's easier to get the enemy that way. 

We have the resources and the ability to deal with this strategically - but bombing would be easier, wouldn't it?


 You keep saying this over and over as if that is what we are doing.  WHO is doing this?



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

How are we "acting like them"? Seriously? Wow. You are going to claim that our soldiers and our country "acts like them"? Are we beheading innocent people in the streets? No. We have the right to protect and defend our country and families. Wow.


 And how is killing innocent children protecting your families.  Oh, "collateral damage".  That is not ok. 

"Thou shall not kill" does not apply just to others, regardless of your justification. 

You want to kill those who have killed - have at it to your heart's content.  But there is no justification whatsoever for choosing to kill innocent people because it's easier to get the enemy that way. 

We have the resources and the ability to deal with this strategically - but bombing would be easier, wouldn't it?


 You keep saying this over and over as if that is what we are doing.  WHO is doing this?


 It is what Trump and Cruz have both pledged to do at the last debate.  Try paying attention and actually reading the threads in their entirety before your argue out your ass.



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