TOTALLY GEEKED!

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huskerbb wrote:

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A 20 year old kid, a Marine, is going house to house with his unit rooting the Taliban out of a village in Afghanistan. The last three doors they busted through they were met with gunfire. He watched two of his buddies die in front of his eyes, and several more get shot and injured.

They bust through the 4th door. In a split second, he sees movement in the corner of the room and fires his weapon. He shoots a 10 year old kid.

Your mentality is what has that kid looking at 20 years in Leavenworth busting rocks.

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 Movement is not gunfire.  He would have just killed an innocent child because he was not properly trained and/or he was traumatized and should have been pulled back before entering any more civilian houses.

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So our troops have to wait until someone shoots at them?  You've lost your fvcking mind.  

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 Our troops have to be trained not to shoot at anything that moves. 

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Our troops receive the highest combat training possible--but you can't account for the fog of war.  There is NO WAY that kid could tell in that split second whether it was a civilian he was shooting at, or someone getting ready to shoot at him.  If he had waited to find out--and it was an insurgent--he would be dead.

You would rather OUR TROOPS be dead.  Great.  Glad they put themselves on the line for you when you want them dead.   

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 If they are entering CIVILIAN houses, they need to be better trained than to shoot at anything that moves. 

Your problem is that you don't value all lives the same.  You think some innocent 10 year old's life is worth less than that soldier's just because that kid isn't American. 

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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FNW wrote:

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I am saying we should try to avoid killing them. I am saying we should not avoid killing ISIS.

I wonder, since ISIS is not a country, although they have a foothold in Gaza, Afghanistan, etc., whether they can be held in violation of the Geneva Convention since they never agreed nor ratified the terms of the agreement?

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 WE agreed not to kill innocent civilians. 

And since ISIS is not a country - tell me how it is ok to kill say....a Syrian civilian that has nothing to do with ISIS when we are not at war with Syria?  What about if ISIS moves into Turkey - we going to start bombing Turkey and killing Turkish citizens when we are not at war with Turkey? 

 

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If those civilians want to draw the battle lines and fight with us--then fine.  Otherwise, get out of the way.  

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 So, if criminals from another country come in the United States and hide -that country just gets to bomb us to kill those criminals and the Americans better just get out of the way?

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I want to keep the criminals OUT.  

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 What you want is irrelevant.  It could happen, anyway.  And then do those other countries just get to send bombs in America to kill them?

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Well, I'd like to think they wouldn't have to since we'd actually take care if it, ourselves--although anymore, I'm not so sure we would.  We are so damn PC in this country.   

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 And if we don't?  Is it ok for another country to send bombs into America to kill criminals hiding here?

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Would I say it is "ok"???  No, but it's not up to the nation getting the bombs dropped on them.  If people inside our borders were attacking people in other nations and we weren't doing squat about it--those nations may very well try to do something about it on their own.

 

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 Please explain how being in the midst of a Civil War is "doing squat"?

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If Syria was handling this--they wouldn't need us, Jordan, France, Russia, or anyone else to do it.  They can't--and we can't allow an ISIS state to spring up there which will take terrorism around the world on a scale that will make 9/11 seem like a tiny issue. 

I can't believe you are even arguing in favor of ISIS.   

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 Don't be ridiculous - I'm not arguing in favor of ISIS, the fact that you would say something so absurd shows you are running out of arguments.  I'm arguing in favor of the innocent Syrians who may well die from American bombs even while trying to defeat ISIS because that is what you think to be most expedient. 

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Yes, you are.  You would have us wait for Syria to defeat them--when they are not capable of doing so.  

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 No.  I would have us use the techonology and manpower we have to strategically take out ISIS without callously disregarding innocent civilian lives.

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We are doing EXACTLY that--but you still don't seem to be happy. 

Civilians are going to die.  That is a FACT.   

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 I don't have much of a problem with what we are doing now.  This started because of what Trump and Cruz said they WOULD do. 

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I would rather die than shoot an innocent child.

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YOU can make that choice for yourself.  What you can't do is insist that others make that same choice. 

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So killing innocent children is fine with you, so long as they are not American. Got it.

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Civilians will die in war.  That's a fact.  If we defeat ISIS and prevent terror on our soil--the ends will justify the means.

He!!, pay attention.  We've had civilians die--and they were the deliberate TARGETS.  At least pretend to care about those.   

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I would rather die than shoot an innocent child.

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YOU can make that choice for yourself.  What you can't do is insist that others make that same choice. 

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 BULLSHlT.  Killing innocent civilian children without regard is immoral and wrong.  I will damn well judge that.

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It's not "without regard".  It wasn't deliberately done. 

You ask these young men to go do a job you would never do--and then when they make a split second decision that turns out to be a mistake--you would crucify them for it. 

You don't support the troops, at all.   

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I would rather die than shoot an innocent child.

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YOU can make that choice for yourself.  What you can't do is insist that others make that same choice. 

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 BULLSHlT.  Killing innocent civilian children without regard is immoral and wrong.  I will damn well judge that.

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It's not "without regard".  It wasn't deliberately done. 

You ask these young men to go do a job you would never do--and then when they make a split second decision that turns out to be a mistake--you would crucify them for it. 

 

You don't support the troops, at all.   

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 Crucify them?  No.   But even you just admitted it would have been a mistake. 

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Did I miss where Congress declared war on Syria?

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You must have missed out on any courses on political history your entire life if you think that somehow makes a difference.   

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 It absolutely makes a difference when you are killing innocents in another country under the pretext of "war". 

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Congress didn't declare war on Libya, and yet, there we are... 

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Did I miss where Congress declared war on Syria?

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You must have missed out on any courses on political history your entire life if you think that somehow makes a difference.   

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 It absolutely makes a difference when you are killing innocents in another country under the pretext of "war". 

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You can rail all you want.  There are but a handful (most of them liberals) that agree with you.  That says a lot... 

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Did I miss where Congress declared war on Syria?

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You must have missed out on any courses on political history your entire life if you think that somehow makes a difference.   

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 It absolutely makes a difference when you are killing innocents in another country under the pretext of "war". 

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You can rail all you want.  There are but a handful (most of them liberals) that agree with you.  That says a lot... 

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 OH, there are a lot more that that.  The fact that you and husker are the most vocal and overbearing just means they don't want to bother to argue with you. 

And it is highly disturbing to me that any Christian would have the same attitude as ISIS. 

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A 20 year old kid, a Marine, is going house to house with his unit rooting the Taliban out of a village in Afghanistan. The last three doors they busted through they were met with gunfire. He watched two of his buddies die in front of his eyes, and several more get shot and injured.

They bust through the 4th door. In a split second, he sees movement in the corner of the room and fires his weapon. He shoots a 10 year old kid.

Your mentality is what has that kid looking at 20 years in Leavenworth busting rocks.

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 Movement is not gunfire.  He would have just killed an innocent child because he was not properly trained and/or he was traumatized and should have been pulled back before entering any more civilian houses.

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 This is utter nonsense. 

 

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Absolutely...The fact that LL thinks the military is trained not to shoot in a hostile situation is naïve at best. 6 weeks of training doesn't do a whole lot...

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huskerbb wrote:

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A 20 year old kid, a Marine, is going house to house with his unit rooting the Taliban out of a village in Afghanistan. The last three doors they busted through they were met with gunfire. He watched two of his buddies die in front of his eyes, and several more get shot and injured.

They bust through the 4th door. In a split second, he sees movement in the corner of the room and fires his weapon. He shoots a 10 year old kid.

Your mentality is what has that kid looking at 20 years in Leavenworth busting rocks.

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 Movement is not gunfire.  He would have just killed an innocent child because he was not properly trained and/or he was traumatized and should have been pulled back before entering any more civilian houses.

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 This is utter nonsense. 

 

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Absolutely...The fact that LL thinks the military is trained not to shoot in a hostile situation is naïve at best. 6 weeks of training doesn't do a whole lot...

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 These two statements contradict each other completely.

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A 20 year old kid, a Marine, is going house to house with his unit rooting the Taliban out of a village in Afghanistan. The last three doors they busted through they were met with gunfire. He watched two of his buddies die in front of his eyes, and several more get shot and injured.

They bust through the 4th door. In a split second, he sees movement in the corner of the room and fires his weapon. He shoots a 10 year old kid.

Your mentality is what has that kid looking at 20 years in Leavenworth busting rocks.

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 Movement is not gunfire.  He would have just killed an innocent child because he was not properly trained and/or he was traumatized and should have been pulled back before entering any more civilian houses.

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 This is utter nonsense. 

 

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Absolutely...The fact that LL thinks the military is trained not to shoot in a hostile situation is naïve at best. 6 weeks of training doesn't do a whole lot...

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 These two statements contradict each other completely.

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No they don't..at all... 

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It absolutely makes a difference when you are killing innocents in another country under the pretext of "war".

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Except it is no longer "in another country".

An ISIS attack happened about 4 hours from where you work, live, and are raising a family.

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 So you want to bomb up that city?

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They came from there and attacked us. We go there and attack them. They want to shield themselves with kids, that's not out fault. Let them deal with the consequences. My conscious is clear...

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 So if terrorists had your children and sweetness as hostages, and the authorities just decided to blow them all up to kill the terrorists, that's ok with you?

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This whole thread has become ridiculous.

I use to wonder how smart people could become deceived to just allow the antichrist and false prophet take over.

But after this thread, I can see it.

A person can have eyes and ears but they dont always see and hear.

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 I can see exactly how it can happen.   People allow the evil of the enemy to corrupt their judgment.  Jesus would not want you killing innocent children in his name even in what you claim is your own defense.  The fact that you could even THINK that he would is the devil in your heart and mind.

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 My God LL. 

You keep saying this. Keep arguing and calling those who disagree with you terrorists. 

But you have yet to come up with a viable recourse.

You don't like closing boarders to muslims, you don't like surgical strikes and you don't want soldiers defending themselves. 

You are the one who can't see or hear the truth.

You immediately jumped to "Lily wants to kill everyone" on this thread.

Although the OP isn't about promoting war. 

It's about why this is happening. 

You keep going on and on about others and how wrong they are about their way of thinking. Even using Jesus and Christianity as a weapon against those who don't agree with you.

But what exactly is any of it going to change?

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This whole thread has become ridiculous.

I use to wonder how smart people could become deceived to just allow the antichrist and false prophet take over.

But after this thread, I can see it.

A person can have eyes and ears but they dont always see and hear.

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 I can see exactly how it can happen.   People allow the evil of the enemy to corrupt their judgment.  Jesus would not want you killing innocent children in his name even in what you claim is your own defense.  The fact that you could even THINK that he would is the devil in your heart and mind.

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 My God LL. 

You keep saying this. Keep arguing and calling those who disagree with you terrorists. 

But you have yet to come up with a viable recourse.

You don't like closing boarders to muslims, you don't like surgical strikes and you don't want soldiers defending themselves. 

You are the one who can't see or hear the truth.

You immediately jumped to "Lily wants to kill everyone" on this thread.

Although the OP isn't about promoting war. 

It's about why this is happening. 

You keep going on and on about others and how wrong they are about their way of thinking. Even using Jesus and Christianity as a weapon against those who don't agree with you.

But what exactly is any of it going to change?

 

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 That is absolutely incorrect.  I've stated numerous times to close the borders, and I've said that surgical strikes are what is needed - NOT carpet bombing.  And I have NEVER said soldiers shouldn't defend themselves - but I said they should be trained well enough not to shoot at everything that moves.

You are the queen of making crap up when you can't argue the facts.

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This whole thread has become ridiculous.

I use to wonder how smart people could become deceived to just allow the antichrist and false prophet take over.

But after this thread, I can see it.

A person can have eyes and ears but they dont always see and hear.

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 I can see exactly how it can happen.   People allow the evil of the enemy to corrupt their judgment.  Jesus would not want you killing innocent children in his name even in what you claim is your own defense.  The fact that you could even THINK that he would is the devil in your heart and mind.

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 My God LL. 

You keep saying this. Keep arguing and calling those who disagree with you terrorists. 

But you have yet to come up with a viable recourse.

You don't like closing boarders to muslims, you don't like surgical strikes and you don't want soldiers defending themselves. 

You are the one who can't see or hear the truth.

You immediately jumped to "Lily wants to kill everyone" on this thread.

Although the OP isn't about promoting war. 

It's about why this is happening. 

You keep going on and on about others and how wrong they are about their way of thinking. Even using Jesus and Christianity as a weapon against those who don't agree with you.

But what exactly is any of it going to change?

 

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 That is absolutely incorrect.  I've stated numerous times to close the borders, and I've said that surgical strikes are what is needed - NOT carpet bombing.  And I have NEVER said soldiers shouldn't defend themselves - but I said they should be trained well enough not to shoot at everything that moves.

You are the queen of making crap up when you can't argue the facts.

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 Well, they are not.  Shoot first, ask questions later.

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This has reached levels of ridiculousness. You don't know what snipers and navy seals do, Lily thinks she can make crap up (either that or she can't read) and the fact that several of you think it's ok to kill innocent civilians in countries we are not at war with is insane. The world has gone flippin' insane.

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I don't think so... 

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This has reached levels of ridiculousness. You don't know what snipers and navy seals do, Lily thinks she can make crap up (either that or she can't read) and the fact that several of you think it's ok to kill innocent civilians in countries we are not at war with is insane. The world has gone flippin' insane.

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 99% of the military are NOT Seals and Snipers.  A vast majority are kids 18-24 that have had exactly 6 weeks training.  You think they are taught not to shoot movement in a crisis situation?  That's actually laughable...