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DEAR HARRIETTE: My husband and I have attracted an unpleasant holiday guest. We have known this woman, Agnes, for years. Agnes has never been in a relationship, never had children and spent her entire life working. She is in her 50s and does not bring any joy to our holidays. She does not have any contact with her family and does not have anyone to celebrate the holidays with if we don't invite her. After years of inviting her and listening to her lament about regrets and mistakes in her life, we would like to have total happiness in our Christmas celebration. Is there any tactical way to tell Agnes to stop depressing everyone, or should we see how a holiday is without her? -- Holiday Debbie Downer, Boston

DEAR HOLIDAY DEBBIE DOWNER: You do not have to invite Agnes to your celebration if you don't want to do so. Know that. If you feel like you cannot leave her out, by all means tell her that you want to invite her and that you want her to be happy. Have an honest conversation with her about the kinds of things she usually talks about and how it affects people. Ask her to choose to be positive, even if that means listening to others rather than bemoaning her life all night.

 

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Think Agnes is the one who hates Christmas from the other letter?

I don't invite people I don't want to be around.

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BIL is like that. Last year we lied and said we were going out of town. He got super pissed and didn't talk to us for a long time (he was pissed that we were going out of town, he doesn't know that we didn't). We even called his BF to make sure he hadn't hurt himself.

We are ALL miserable when he is here. This year, he decided on his own he wasn't coming. I hate it that he will not have a Christmas, but geez...you would have one if you didn't ruin it for everyone else.

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BIL is like that. Last year we lied and said we were going out of town. He got super pissed and didn't talk to us for a long time (he was pissed that we were going out of town, he doesn't know that we didn't). We even called his BF to make sure he hadn't hurt himself.

We are ALL miserable when he is here. This year, he decided on his own he wasn't coming. I hate it that he will not have a Christmas, but geez...you would have one if you didn't ruin it for everyone else.


 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:8



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BIL is like that. Last year we lied and said we were going out of town. He got super pissed and didn't talk to us for a long time (he was pissed that we were going out of town, he doesn't know that we didn't). We even called his BF to make sure he hadn't hurt himself.

We are ALL miserable when he is here. This year, he decided on his own he wasn't coming. I hate it that he will not have a Christmas, but geez...you would have one if you didn't ruin it for everyone else.


 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:8


I've been forgiven.  Something you can't seem to grasp...



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Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.

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Ohfour wrote:
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BIL is like that. Last year we lied and said we were going out of town. He got super pissed and didn't talk to us for a long time (he was pissed that we were going out of town, he doesn't know that we didn't). We even called his BF to make sure he hadn't hurt himself.

We are ALL miserable when he is here. This year, he decided on his own he wasn't coming. I hate it that he will not have a Christmas, but geez...you would have one if you didn't ruin it for everyone else.


 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:8


I've been forgiven.  Something you can't seem to grasp...


Of course you have....... 



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Lie through your teeth and then claim you've been forgiven, so you can do it again.

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Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:

BIL is like that. Last year we lied and said we were going out of town. He got super pissed and didn't talk to us for a long time (he was pissed that we were going out of town, he doesn't know that we didn't). We even called his BF to make sure he hadn't hurt himself.

We are ALL miserable when he is here. This year, he decided on his own he wasn't coming. I hate it that he will not have a Christmas, but geez...you would have one if you didn't ruin it for everyone else.


 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Revelation 21:8


I've been forgiven.  Something you can't seem to grasp...


Plus, lies to protect people aren't bad.  I could say, you whinny, little butt, we don't want you around us.  And the kids don't want to be around you.  Do you think I should have taken that approach, Weltz?



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Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 



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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


 Yeah.

Funny how it carries no weight until a non believer wants to use it as a weapon.



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TrudyML wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...



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Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


'Tis. 



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I'd most likely feel so guilty for not inviting her even though she is a downer that I still probably wouldn't enjoy the celebration.

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Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


 Isnèt it, though? A nonbeliever having to remind a believer that lying is forbidden in her bible.



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weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


 Isnèt it, though? A nonbeliever having to remind a believer that lying is forbidden in her bible.


So, should I tell him that no one wants him around?  Or tell him we're not available?  Which would be kinder? 



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Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


 Isnèt it, though? A nonbeliever having to remind a believer that lying is forbidden in her bible.


So, should I tell him that no one wants him around?  Or tell him we're not available?  Which would be kinder? 


 You said he got incredibly pissed anyway, so what's the difference?

(Except now God is pissed at you as well)



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weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


 Isnèt it, though? A nonbeliever having to remind a believer that lying is forbidden in her bible.


So, should I tell him that no one wants him around?  Or tell him we're not available?  Which would be kinder? 


 You said he got incredibly pissed anyway, so what's the difference?

(Except now God is pissed at you as well)


He was pissed, but his feelings weren't hurt and he still doesn't know that no one wants to be around him.  God is never pissed at me. 

So, answer the question (yeah right), should I TELL him the truth? 



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Say it's immediate family only.

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He is immediate family.

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Ohfour wrote:

He is immediate family.


 So say you're keeping it small this year.



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weltschmerz wrote:
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He is immediate family.


 So say you're keeping it small this year.


You don't understand the dynamic.  He would be THE only person left out.  Our ENTIRE family consists of 13 people (including BIL) and the 2 babies. It's can't get any smaller than that.



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Fine. Lie yesterday. Lie today. Lie tomorrow.
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It looks like you have to invite him, he will come even if you don't.

Is there anyone in the family who gets along well with him? If so, you might ask that person to have a talk with him about his attitude.

 



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"So, answer the question (yeah right), should I TELL him the truth? "

 

Yes.

 



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ed11563 wrote:

"So, answer the question (yeah right), should I TELL him the truth? "

 

Yes.

 


I honestly think he may kill himself...I'm not kidding... 



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His own BF doesn't spend Christmas with him because of his attitude. That's why he comes here. It's THAT bad...

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I have someone who I really don't want to come to my Christmas Eve party but there is no way around it. I didn't go out of my way to invite them but I'm sure they will come. I don't want to post the reasons but since this party is yearly people automatically know they are invited so I'm leaving it at that. If they come they come.

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I have an aunt and a friend like this. Never has anything nice to say about anyone or anything.

I avoid them.




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Ohfour wrote:
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"So, answer the question (yeah right), should I TELL him the truth? "

 

Yes.

 


I honestly think he may kill himself...I'm not kidding... 


 cry  He's got you intimidated. cry



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He may. Mmph. I don't wish him ill. Hes not stable though. And we cannot be his happiness.

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I think the LW would do her "friend" a world of good by politely pointing out to her how she makes people around her feel with all her negative talk. One of my sisters is very good at deflecting the hate speech by such people. She has to host many parties a year for her business. What she does when she hears the "talk" coming is pulls that person into the kitchen to help with things. When the duties are done and the person is back talking with others negatively, my sister will interrupt the conversation by asking a question that totally changes the topic such as" Oh Debbie that vaca you took, the pictures of the sunset were beautiful, how did it feel to experience that? It distracts the negative person, sometimes puts them in a good mood, at least for a few moments.

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weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
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Ohfour wrote:
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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


 Isnèt it, though? A nonbeliever having to remind a believer that lying is forbidden in her bible.


So, should I tell him that no one wants him around?  Or tell him we're not available?  Which would be kinder? 


 You said he got incredibly pissed anyway, so what's the difference?

(Except now God is pissed at you as well)


 Oh and now you speak for God!  



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weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


 Isnèt it, though? A nonbeliever having to remind a believer that lying is forbidden in her bible.


So, should I tell him that no one wants him around?  Or tell him we're not available?  Which would be kinder? 


 You said he got incredibly pissed anyway, so what's the difference?

(Except now God is pissed at you as well)


 Oh and now you speak for God!  



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Hahahaha!

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The LW doesnt have to invite anyone. Tell her you are cutting down the guest list. Then maybe plan a day to go out for coffee with her.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
TrudyML wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

Weltz quoting the Bible? Oh ok.


HAHAHAHAHAHAhahaghhahtgahaa 


I know, I laughed too.  The absurdity is quite amusing...


 Isnèt it, though? A nonbeliever having to remind a believer that lying is forbidden in her bible.


So, should I tell him that no one wants him around?  Or tell him we're not available?  Which would be kinder? 


 You said he got incredibly pissed anyway, so what's the difference?

(Except now God is pissed at you as well)


 Oh and now you speak for God!  


Oh, for heaven's sake! 

If I say I'm a vegetarian, then told you I had a bacon cheeseburger for lunch, you'd be the first one to call me on it.

Same thing.

I wouldn't say "Oh, you're not a vegetarian, so you have no right to point out the inconsistency in my ideology.

 



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What? You are really babbling now.

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You don't believe in God.

Why use Him as a weapon?

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Blah blah blah....

wanna preach? Get on board. Otherwise, hush...

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I am not one to bring in religion but here is another quote from the bible

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. John 1:9

Maybe she confessed her sins in confession. All is forgiven by God.

Or this one too

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, Acts 3:19



Everyone needs to stop acting so almighty and knock the crap off.

Tell me weltz, have you never told a lie to stop someone's feelings from being hurt?

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

What? You are really babbling now.


It's a simple analogy. Not that hard to understand.

I didn't ask you  to read about metastatic liver cancer in Hungarian. 



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I am not one to bring in religion but here is another quote from the bible

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. John 1:9

Maybe she confessed her sins in confession. All is forgiven by God.

Or this one too

Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, Acts 3:19



Everyone needs to stop acting so almighty and knock the crap off.

Tell me weltz, have you never told a lie to stop someone's feelings from being hurt?


Sure have!

But I don't have an invisible friend telling me I'll burn in an eternal lake of fire for doing it. 



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I cannot imagine excluding family because he is depressed and unhappy around the holidays.

The more you talk about your life, the more selfish and mean you sound.


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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

I cannot imagine excluding family because he is depressed and unhappy around the holidays.

The more you talk about your life, the more selfish and mean you sound.


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Being depressed and unhappy doesn't give you license to run around and constantly rain and piss on someone else's parade. Yes, depression is a miserable partner in life and there are people who suffer from it. But, there are times you have to put down your own pain for the sake of other's joy.

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Meh. I have a weird cousin. She never moved out from her parents' home. She only had one job which was short-lived. She's an attorney and appears to be intellectual. But when you talk to her, you have no idea WTF she's talking about. Rather than exclude her, I will smile, ask her how she is doing, then in a break from her tirade, will excuse myself to do something. Then just talk to people with whom I have more in common. Give her a hug and wish her well as she is leaving.

It's not that difficult to get along with someone for a day.

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Meh. I have a weird cousin. She never moved out from her parents' home. She only had one job which was short-lived. She's an attorney and appears to be intellectual. But when you talk to her, you have no idea WTF she's talking about. Rather than exclude her, I will smile, ask her how she is doing, then in a break from her tirade, will excuse myself to do something. Then just talk to people with whom I have more in common. Give her a hug and wish her well as she is leaving.

It's not that difficult to get along with someone for a day.


 That's right.  Just because someone blurts out a laundry list of problems doesnt mean it's your job to fix their life for them.  Just nod and say "oh that's too bad" and then get back to eating, drinking and making merry!



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lilyofcourse wrote:

You don't believe in God.

Why use Him as a weapon?


 How is it a "weapon" to quote the Bible to those who believe in it?

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