TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: A Clever Study Shows How States’ Anti-Evolution Bills Have Evolved Slate

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
Leonard Hofstadter: So, what kind of cruise is this you're going on?
Mary Cooper: It's called The Born-Again Boat-ride. 'Christian Quarterly' gave it their highest rating, five thorny crowns. I do wish you'd come with me, Sheldon.
Sheldon Cooper: Uh, well, Mom, if I did, it would be conclusive proof that your God can work miracles.
Mary Cooper: You're missing out; it's going to be wall-to-wall fun; it's all themed. There's Jonah and the Whale-watching. All you can eat Last Supper buffet. And, my personal favorite, Gunning with God.
Leonard Hofstadter: What's Gunning with God? I'm afraid to ask.
Mary Cooper: Oh, it is a hoot-and-a-half. You write your sins on a clay pigeon, they fire 'em up in the air, and you pulverize 'em with a 12-gauge shotgun full of our Lord's forgiveness.
Sheldon Cooper: Frankly, Mom, I'm encouraged to see how advanced your group has become. You're willing to sail out into the ocean without fear of falling off the edge.
Mary Cooper: For example, if Shelly was aboard, he'd write 'smart-mouth' on his pigeon. And then *BAM*!
Sheldon Cooper: The Lord giveth and the Lord bloweth away.

www.imdb.com/character/ch0226865/quotes

It's absolutely hysterical!

Okay, THAT is funny!

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Run, run , run, run away! When you can't face the questions! BWAAAHHHH!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

God HIMSELF will convict you Welts. He doesn't need me.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

It's quite clear that you have LOST this debate! Ha!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Clearly, i have established that YOU can dish it out but you cannot answer on your own behalf! ROLFMAO!!!!!

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

Enough is enough, already!

If someone is still interested in debating this topic, fine. Have at it.

Welts said she is done with it.

Knock it off.

Or, I will lock this thread.

Thank you.

Honeys_Mom · Mod & Permanent Board Sweetheart

Thank you, FWM.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Thank you!

And can we lose the jittery image thing?

flan

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

flan327 wrote:
Thank you!

And can we lose the jittery image thing?

flan

Yes, that is pretty annoying.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

All I can say from my non committed religious butt is that if you need something to be tangible to know it is true, then that is sad. Love is not tangible, but I know it to be true.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.

I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.

I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.

I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.

By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.

It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.

But, I don't know for sure.

We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.

Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.

That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

weltschmerz · Guru

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".

It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.

Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.

Tinydancer · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.

Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.

weltschmerz · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.

Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.

I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

I don't understand why what happens after is not important to some people.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan

Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan
Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.

That actually sounds more scientific than religious.

flan

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan
Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.
That actually sounds more scientific than religious.
flan

It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.

huskerbb · Guru

When science can answer the question of why beavers build dams, maybe they'll be on to something.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan
Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.
That actually sounds more scientific than religious.
flan
It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.

Can I ask what you both thought?

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
When science can answer the question of why beavers build dams, maybe they'll be on to something.

http://www.naturealmanac.com/archive/beaver_dams/beaver_dams.html

huskerbb · Guru

But that doesn't explain why.

why beavers and not otters? Or muskrats?

How did they first learn to build them? Heck, why not raccoons?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 12:59:43 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan
Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.

Stagnate? I'd be the first to sign up for the Mars One project, but I don't fit the criteria,

huskerbb · Guru

Plus, if you've ever actually seen a beaver dam, there is still running water with all its sounds.

weltschmerz · Guru

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan
Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.
That actually sounds more scientific than religious.
flan
It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.

Do you believe there's life after death for all living things, or just humans? How about chimps or dolphins?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Believing in God is a choice.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief.

And yes, Faith is blind at times.

I'll tell you what I had to learn.

I had to learn to trust God.

It's easy to trust in God. But to actually trust is hard.

It's the difference in praying and then taking care of whatever yourself and praying, knowing there is absolutely nothing you can do.

So yes. It is a choice.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan
Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.
That actually sounds more scientific than religious.
flan
It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.
Do you believe there's life after death for all living things, or just humans? How about chimps or dolphins?

Humans are the only ones that have souls.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Spoiler
weltschmerz wrote:
Fort Worth Mom wrote:
WYSIWYG wrote:
I don't want to get into the "prove it", "no you prove it", "no YOU prove it" argument, but I do want to comment on something I came across while reading the past few days worth of posts. Some have said "choose to believe". I don't think that's possible. Either you believe or you don't. I don't think you can just wake up one day and say "Today I will choose to believe". I don't believe faith works that way.
I think I understand what you're saying, WYSIWYG.
I sure as heck don't want to get in to those prove it, no, you prove it, arguments, either.
I do think, some people have a moment, that leads them to a belief in God. And they choose to believe.
By the same token, I don't understand why, someone who was raised with a faith in God, could wake up one morning, and decide not to believe in God, anymore.
It happens, I know. I would think that they would always have a bit of faith in God, in the back of their mind.
But, I don't know for sure.
We make choices every day,WYSIWYG.
Choosing to have faith in God, is one of those choices.
That's the way I look at it. JMHO.

It doesn't happen that way. It's not a choice you make one fine morning. "I think I'll stop believing in God today".
It's a gradual process and doesn't happen overnight. But it's definitely not a choice.
Your faith starts slipping away until there's nothing left.
Nothing left? That to me sounds very sad.
Not at all. It's actually quite liberating.
I don't understand why THIS world is not enough for some people.
flan
Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.
That actually sounds more scientific than religious.
flan
It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.
Do you believe there's life after death for all living things, or just humans? How about chimps or dolphins?

I don't know. The Bible doesn't really address that. Animals are not in need of Salvation as is Man. However, i believe that what God creates is not and cannot be destroyed. So, i think that our favorite pets, etc will be in Heaven though i don't have any Biblical info to support that.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
But that doesn't explain why.

why beavers and not otters? Or muskrats?
How did they first learn to build them? Heck, why not raccoons?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 12:59:43 PM

Why do giraffes have long necks and not horses? Why do kangaroos have a pounch and humans don't? Why do mice have gallbladders, but rats don't? And what's the deal with platypuses?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 01:19:08 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But that doesn't explain why.

why beavers and not otters? Or muskrats?
How did they first learn to build them? Heck, why not raccoons?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 12:59:43 PM
Why do giraffes have long necks and not horses? Why do kangaroos have a pounch and humans don't? And what's the deal with platypuses?

I don't know. Obviously you have some 'evolutionary" answer.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
But that doesn't explain why.

why beavers and not otters? Or muskrats?
How did they first learn to build them? Heck, why not raccoons?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 12:59:43 PM

What about carpenter ants? Or primates who learn sign language?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Believing in God is a choice.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief.

And yes, Faith is blind at times.

I'll tell you what I had to learn.

I had to learn to trust God.

It's easy to trust in God. But to actually trust is hard.

It's the difference in praying and then taking care of whatever yourself and praying, knowing there is absolutely nothing you can do.

So yes. It is a choice.

I can't "choose" to believe in God...because I also believe the Judeo-Christian concept is too limited.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But that doesn't explain why.

why beavers and not otters? Or muskrats?
How did they first learn to build them? Heck, why not raccoons?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 12:59:43 PM
Why do giraffes have long necks and not horses? Why do kangaroos have a pounch and humans don't? Why do mice have gallbladders, but rats don't? And what's the deal with platypuses?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 01:19:08 PM

I thought you were "done" with this thread?

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But that doesn't explain why.

why beavers and not otters? Or muskrats?
How did they first learn to build them? Heck, why not raccoons?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 12:59:43 PM
Why do giraffes have long necks and not horses? Why do kangaroos have a pounch and humans don't? Why do mice have gallbladders, but rats don't? And what's the deal with platypuses?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 01:19:08 PM
I thought you were "done" with this thread?

No. Just with you.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
But that doesn't explain why.

why beavers and not otters? Or muskrats?
How did they first learn to build them? Heck, why not raccoons?

-- Edited by huskerbb on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 12:59:43 PM
Why do giraffes have long necks and not horses? Why do kangaroos have a pounch and humans don't? Why do mice have gallbladders, but rats don't? And what's the deal with platypuses?

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 01:19:08 PM
I thought you were "done" with this thread?
No. Just with you.

Uh huh. I see.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Believing in God is a choice.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief.

And yes, Faith is blind at times.

I'll tell you what I had to learn.

I had to learn to trust God.

It's easy to trust in God. But to actually trust is hard.

It's the difference in praying and then taking care of whatever yourself and praying, knowing there is absolutely nothing you can do.

So yes. It is a choice.

I can't "choose" to believe in God...because I also believe the Judeo-Christian concept is too limited.
flan

You could--but you are too close-minded.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I think a lot of time, it's the sin that people can't give up.

Choosing to believe would mean seeing the sin in their lives.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
I think a lot of time, it's the sin that people can't give up.

Choosing to believe would mean seeing the sin in their lives.

PRIDE. The original sin. Knowing better than God.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I think a lot of time, it's the sin that people can't give up.

Choosing to believe would mean seeing the sin in their lives.

PRIDE. The original sin. Knowing better than God.

Well, it's hard looking in the mirror. Seeing our own flaws.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Believing in God is a choice.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief.

And yes, Faith is blind at times.

I'll tell you what I had to learn.

I had to learn to trust God.

It's easy to trust in God. But to actually trust is hard.

It's the difference in praying and then taking care of whatever yourself and praying, knowing there is absolutely nothing you can do.

So yes. It is a choice.

I can't "choose" to believe in God...because I also believe the Judeo-Christian concept is too limited.
flan
You could--but you are too close-minded.

husker, you're confusing yourself with me.

The Catholic Church was very important to DH1. I attended Mass for years, taught Sunday school, and both my boys made their First Communion, even though I didn't believe.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Believing in God is a choice.

Faith is confidence or trust in a person or thing; or the observance of an obligation from loyalty; or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement; or a belief not based on proof; or it may refer to a particular system of religious belief.

And yes, Faith is blind at times.

I'll tell you what I had to learn.

I had to learn to trust God.

It's easy to trust in God. But to actually trust is hard.

It's the difference in praying and then taking care of whatever yourself and praying, knowing there is absolutely nothing you can do.

So yes. It is a choice.

I can't "choose" to believe in God...because I also believe the Judeo-Christian concept is too limited.
flan
You could--but you are too close-minded.
husker, you're confusing yourself with me.
The Catholic Church was very important to DH1. I attended Mass for years, taught Sunday school, and both my boys made their First Communion, even though I didn't believe.
flan

So, why would you pursue something you "dont believe"? That's just idiotic.

chef · Guru

flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:

It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.
Can I ask what you both thought?
flan

Sure.

I'm confident there is life out there somewhere. I don't believe there's other human life (what we know as humans, anyway) and I don't believe in little green men in foil suits. I think the life that is out there is something we can't comprehend because it's so different from what we know on Earth. I refuse to believe that Earth is it given the vastness of the universe.

DH doesn't think there can be life because of how Earth is perfectly positioned in our solar system to support life. He wonders if other galaxies might have their own Earth and it's like Star Trek where there are alien races but those races are still human. I think it was Star Trek, anyway. He mentioned a bunch of names of races and I don't want either Star Trek or Star Wars so my eyes glazed over.

chef · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:

Because THIS world is not all there is. The universe is so vast and continually expanding. Be content here but don't stagnate in desire to explore.
Stagnate? I'd be the first to sign up for the Mars One project, but I don't fit the criteria,

I couldn't do the Mars One project but I'll be fascinated to read about it if it ever happens.

I'm not tenacious enough to even desire to populate another planet. I'm quite content with the life I know.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:

It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.
Can I ask what you both thought?
flan
Sure.
I'm confident there is life out there somewhere. I don't believe there's other human life (what we know as humans, anyway) and I don't believe in little green men in foil suits. I think the life that is out there is something we can't comprehend because it's so different from what we know on Earth. I refuse to believe that Earth is it given the vastness of the universe.
DH doesn't think there can be life because of how Earth is perfectly positioned in our solar system to support life. He wonders if other galaxies might have their own Earth and it's like Star Trek where there are alien races but those races are still human. I think it was Star Trek, anyway. He mentioned a bunch of names of races and I don't want either Star Trek or Star Wars so my eyes glazed over.

I believe there is other life out there because I'm not arrogant enough to think that out of all of space and time that we are the only living creatures God has created.

weltschmerz · Guru

chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:

It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.
Can I ask what you both thought?
flan
Sure.
I'm confident there is life out there somewhere. I don't believe there's other human life (what we know as humans, anyway) and I don't believe in little green men in foil suits. I think the life that is out there is something we can't comprehend because it's so different from what we know on Earth. I refuse to believe that Earth is it given the vastness of the universe.
DH doesn't think there can be life because of how Earth is perfectly positioned in our solar system to support life. He wonders if other galaxies might have their own Earth and it's like Star Trek where there are alien races but those races are still human. I think it was Star Trek, anyway. He mentioned a bunch of names of races and I don't want either Star Trek or Star Wars so my eyes glazed over.

Thing is, there are billions of solar systems out there.

It`s doubtful they support human life, but I`m sure they support life. Just not life as we know it. Life that has evolved differently due to different environments.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 02:09:40 PM

chef · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:

It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.
Do you believe there's life after death for all living things, or just humans? How about chimps or dolphins?

For me, all living things. I believe animals have souls. I don't have any Bible verses to back that up (and there probably aren't any) but I believe any living being has a soul.

Science has even shown that plants can feel pain. That makes me wonder if plants are a lot more sentient than we (general) want to believe.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
flan327 wrote:
chef wrote:

It is but it's also both. There is so, so much out there. Maybe there is life (or a form of it) after death. Maybe there isn't. I believe there is. DH and I were discussing the possibility of life elsewhere in the universe last night so I'm in a bit of a philosophical mood at the moment.
Can I ask what you both thought?
flan
Sure.
I'm confident there is life out there somewhere. I don't believe there's other human life (what we know as humans, anyway) and I don't believe in little green men in foil suits. I think the life that is out there is something we can't comprehend because it's so different from what we know on Earth. I refuse to believe that Earth is it given the vastness of the universe.
DH doesn't think there can be life because of how Earth is perfectly positioned in our solar system to support life. He wonders if other galaxies might have their own Earth and it's like Star Trek where there are alien races but those races are still human. I think it was Star Trek, anyway. He mentioned a bunch of names of races and I don't want either Star Trek or Star Wars so my eyes glazed over.
Thing is, there are billions of solar systems out there.
It`s doubtful they support human life, but I`m sure they support life. Just not life as we know it. Life that has evolved differently due to different environments.

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Tuesday 5th of January 2016 02:09:40 PM

OR, it was CREATED differently. The Bible doesnt' speak of other worlds. It deals with mankind on earth and the Salvation and Redemption of Man.