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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: A Clever Study Shows How States’ Anti-Evolution Bills Have Evolved Slate

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Actually, I don't "need" to prove anything.

There will never be a way to prove that God exists, yet you believe.

flan
My proof is personal. I have EXPERIENCED God. I have felt Him. I have heard Him. Have you experienced evolution?
Again, I'm not claiming proof of creation. I claim belief, yet you and people like Welts claim proof of evolution without a shred of evidence. Hey, if you like to think your ancestors were swamp goo, who am I to argue? Mine certainty weren't.

Yes, that's lovely, but FEELINGS, by definition, are subjective and not proof.

What difference does it make WHO my ancestors were? I happen to think evolution is amazing.

flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Monday 28th of December 2015 01:18:58 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
It's called faith.

Some people had FAITH that if they cut off their testicles and committed suicide, they would hitch a ride on a comet to the mother ship.

Some people have FAITH in multi-limbed elephant gods.

Some people have FAITH that their souls will rise in glowing orbs towards the planet Kolob.

What's your point?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Actually, I don't "need" to prove anything.

There will never be a way to prove that God exists, yet you believe.

flan

You need to PROVE Evolution if you are going to state it as a fact.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Apparently we've never heard the term before...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
What does it matter if I believe in evolution?

How can it POSSIBLY affect you?

flan

It affects me if you are teaching it to my kids.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
What does it matter if I believe in evolution?

How can it POSSIBLY affect you?

flan
It affects me if you are teaching it to my kids.

Well, obviously I'm NOT...

Try again.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
What does it matter if I believe in evolution?

How can it POSSIBLY affect you?

flan
It affects me if you are teaching it to my kids.
Well, obviously I'm NOT...
Try again.
flan

You are the one yapping about "proof". You want us to "prove" God. But, yet you dont' want to prove evolution or anything that you believe! LMAO!

weltschmerz · Guru

They had better teach evolution in schools, as opposed to superstition.

Ohfour · Hooker

flan327 wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Actually, I don't "need" to prove anything.

There will never be a way to prove that God exists, yet you believe.

flan
My proof is personal. I have EXPERIENCED God. I have felt Him. I have heard Him. Have you experienced evolution?
Again, I'm not claiming proof of creation. I claim belief, yet you and people like Welts claim proof of evolution without a shred of evidence. Hey, if you like to think your ancestors were swamp goo, who am I to argue? Mine certainty weren't.
Yes, that's lovely, but FEELINGS, by definition, are subjective and not proof.
What difference does it make WHO my ancestors were? I happen to think evolution is amazing.
flan

-- Edited by flan327 on Monday 28th of December 2015 01:18:58 PM

I didnt say they should be proof to you. But you expect me to believe your beliefs without proof...

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

At this point, evolution is the superstition.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Schools should teach all the theories and what the main arguments are for and against each so that people can understand the difference and INTELLIGENTLY debate the issues.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
They had better teach evolution in schools, as opposed to superstition.

Evolution is total superstition. They teach the "theory" of both here. Evolution is nothing but a theory...

weltschmerz · Guru

There's plenty of proof.

evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
They had better teach evolution in schools, as opposed to superstition.

I don't have a problem with teaching evolution. Teach a variety of things.

Ohfour · Hooker

Jinx!!!!! You beat me by a second!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
At this point, evolution is the superstition.

Wrong, but thanks for playing!

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
They had better teach evolution in schools, as opposed to superstition.
I don't have a problem with teaching evolution. Teach a variety of things.

Of course teach a variety of things.....like math and geography. Not superstition.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
There's plenty of proof.

evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution

Hahahaha! Really? Thats your proof? Methinks you just may be the most gullible person on this board....

God love you...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
There's plenty of proof.

evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution
Hahahaha! Really? Thats your proof? Methinks you just may be the most gullible person on this board....
God love you...

Right back atcha, toots.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
What does it matter if I believe in evolution?

How can it POSSIBLY affect you?

flan
It affects me if you are teaching it to my kids.
Well, obviously I'm NOT...
Try again.
flan
You are the one yapping about "proof". You want us to "prove" God. But, yet you dont' want to prove evolution or anything that you believe! LMAO!

Nope, in fact, I said that no one can "prove" God.

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
They had better teach evolution in schools, as opposed to superstition.
I don't have a problem with teaching evolution. Teach a variety of things.
Of course teach a variety of things.....like math and geography. Not superstition.

And the THEORY of evolution. Just like the theory of Creation.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
They had better teach evolution in schools, as opposed to superstition.
I don't have a problem with teaching evolution. Teach a variety of things.
Of course teach a variety of things.....like math and geography. Not superstition.
And the THEORY of evolution. Just like the theory of Creation.

You clearly have no idea what a theory is, under the auspices of science.

Ohfour · Hooker

So, there is indisputable proof of evolution? Its a theory. If you dont know that, then, well, you cant really be taken seriously. Sorry.

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
There's plenty of proof.

evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution
Hahahaha! Really? Thats your proof? Methinks you just may be the most gullible person on this board....
God love you...

Well, why don't you disprove them? I'll wait.

Tinydancer · Guru

Unless you were there at the begining of the world then your belief that evolution is proven is no more valid than my faith that the Bible is correct.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
There's plenty of proof.

evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution
Hahahaha! Really? Thats your proof? Methinks you just may be the most gullible person on this board....
God love you...
Well, why don't you disprove them? I'll wait.

You cant disprove a negative. Keep typing...you arent doing yourself any favors...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
So, there is indisputable proof of evolution? Its a theory. If you dont know that, then, well, you cant really be taken seriously. Sorry.

Again, you have no idea what a scientific theory is, Miss "A fossil can be 10 years old".

That was one of the most absurd statements to date.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Each species "After It's Own Kind" Welts. There aren't any Transformers. Dogs are still dogs. Cats are cats. Robins are robins.

What about Symbiosis?
A good example of this is the relationship between bees and flowers. The bees need the nectar from some types of flowers to feed while these flowers need bees to pollinate them. Both depend on each other to exist and survive. The question for evolutionists is: How did these plants exist without the bees, and how did the bees exist without these plants?

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Each species "After It's Own Kind" Welts. There aren't any Transformers. Dogs are still dogs. Cats are cats. Robins are robins.

What about Symbiosis?
A good example of this is the relationship between bees and flowers. The bees need the nectar from some types of flowers to feed while these flowers need bees to pollinate them. Both depend on each other to exist and survive. The question for evolutionists is: How did these plants exist without the bees, and how did the bees exist without these plants?

Look up transitional fossils.

Symbiosis is an adaptation to the environment. Which is part of evolution.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, and that is your generic, pat answer. Oh, 'it's Evolution!"> Evolution did that. No matter what it is, you just say "oh evolution somehow knew to change some characteristic years or eons in advance. Evolution has some sort of mind to create order. Funny, that sounds like Intelligent Design or God.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

9 Scientific Facts Prove the "Theory of Evolution" is False

humansarefree.com/2013/12/9-scienctific-facts-prove-theory-of.html

Ohfour · Hooker

All this to say, I'm glad that my kids weren't taught (and my grandbabies will not be taught) that evolution is a fact. They were and will be taught the theory of both evolution and creationism. But they know the truth...

weltschmerz · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
There's plenty of proof.

evolutionfaq.com/articles/five-proofs-evolution
Hahahaha! Really? Thats your proof? Methinks you just may be the most gullible person on this board....
God love you...
Well, why don't you disprove them? I'll wait.
You cant disprove a negative. Keep typing...you arent doing yourself any favors...

I'm asking you disprove the proofs in the article. not negatives.

weltschmerz · Guru

I swear to God, it's like arguing calculus with a small child who holds up three fingers and says "I'm this many!"

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
I swear to God, it's like arguing calculus with a small child who holds up three fingers and says "I'm this many!"

Of course Welts. YOU are the only one capable of understanding science because you took AP classes! confuse

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
I swear to God, it's like arguing calculus with a small child who holds up three fingers and says "I'm this many!"
Of course Welts. YOU are the only one capable of understanding science because you took AP classes!

Talk to the gal who claims fossils can 10 years old.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I took AP classes and college Calculus. Along with Physic, Organic Chemistry, Stastics and many others.

Tinydancer · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
I swear to God, it's like arguing calculus with a small child who holds up three fingers and says "I'm this many!"
Of course Welts. YOU are the only one capable of understanding science because you took AP classes!
Talk to the gal who claims fossils can 10 years old.

Fossils are defined as the remains or traces of organisms that died more than 10,000 years ago, therefore, by definition the minimum time it takes to make a fossil is 10,000 years. But, that is just an arbitrary line in the sand – it means very little in terms of the fossilisation process.

See the bolded in red.

So there are FOSSILS and then there are fossils.

ETA for spelling so flan and weltz can stay on point...

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Monday 28th of December 2015 02:14:11 PM

-- Edited by Tinydancer on Monday 28th of December 2015 02:15:10 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Science is testable. Evolution is not testable.

Ohfour · Hooker

weltschmerz wrote:
I swear to God, it's like arguing calculus with a small child who holds up three fingers and says "I'm this many!"

If you can understand the theory of evolution I'm confident you cant grasp calculus...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

How did everything come from nothing Welts?
Which came first, male or female? How did systems "evolve' that are symbiotic and interdependent on the existence of simultaneous systems?
Show me examples of MACRO evolution of one species TURNING INTO another.

PROVE IT.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, in nature, simple systems do not "evolve" into more complex systems. A pile of garbage in a tornado does not turn into a precisely made, hand crafted swiss watch.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
And, in nature, simple systems do not "evolve" into more complex systems. A pile of garbage in a tornado does not turn into a precisely made, hand crafted swiss watch.

OMG!

You DO know that a Swiss watch is inorganic, right? Apparently not.

Like I said...I give up. There's no point in debating someone who doesn't have the most rudimentary grasp on the theory of evolution.

Zip. None. Nada. Rien. Nichevo.

I'm done here.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
And, in nature, simple systems do not "evolve" into more complex systems. A pile of garbage in a tornado does not turn into a precisely made, hand crafted swiss watch.
OMG!
You DO know that a Swiss watch is inorganic, right? Apparently not.
Like I said...I give up. There's no point in debating someone who doesn't have the most rudimentary grasp on the theory of evolution.
Zip. None. Nada. Rien. Nichevo.
I'm done here.

Ok. A steaming mound of dung hit by a tornado isn't going to create a Welsh Corgi.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
And, in nature, simple systems do not "evolve" into more complex systems. A pile of garbage in a tornado does not turn into a precisely made, hand crafted swiss watch.
OMG!
You DO know that a Swiss watch is inorganic, right? Apparently not.
Like I said...I give up. There's no point in debating someone who doesn't have the most rudimentary grasp on the theory of evolution.
Zip. None. Nada. Rien. Nichevo.
I'm done here.

But, Gotcha! I guess you have to "presuppose" the existence of life to get Life. Boo ya!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How did everything come from nothing Welts?
Which came first, male or female? How did systems "evolve' that are symbiotic and interdependent on the existence of simultaneous systems?
Show me examples of MACRO evolution of one species TURNING INTO another.

PROVE IT.

Sure, as soon as y'all prove creationism...

flan

ed11563 · Guru

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/7745868/Scientist-Craig-Venter-creates-life-for-first-time-in-laboratory-sparking-debate-about-playing-god.html

Scientist Craig Venter creates life for first time in laboratory sparking debate about 'playing god'

Artificial life has been created in a laboratory for the first time by a maverick scientist.

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By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent

6:00PM BST 20 May 2010

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Dr Craig Venter, a multi-millionaire pioneer in genetics, and his team have managed to make a completely new "synthetic" life form from a mix of chemicals.

They manufactured a new chromosome from artificial DNA in a test tube, then transferred it into an empty cell and watched it multiply – the very definition of being alive.

The man-made single cell "creature", which is a modified version of one of the simplest bacteria on earth, proves that the technology works.

Now Dr Venter believes organism, nicknamed Synthia, will pave the way for more complex creatures that can transform environmental waste into clean fuel, vaccinate against disease and soak up pollution.

But his development has also triggered debate over the ethics of "playing god" and the dangers of the new technology could pose in terms of biological hazards and warfare.

"We are entering an era limited only by our imagination," he said announcing the research published in the journal Science.

Dr Venter, a pioneer of genetic code sequencing and his team at the J Craig Venter Institute in Rockville, Maryland, have been chasing the goal for more than 15 years at a cost of £30m.

First they sequenced the genetic code of Mycoplasma genitalium, the world's smallest bacteria that lives in cattle and goats, and stored the information on a computer.

Then they used the computer code to artificially reproduce the DNA in the laboratory, slightly modifying it with a "watermark" so it was distinguishable from the original natural one.

Finally they developed a technique of stripping bacteria cells of all original DNA and substituting it with the new artificial code.

The resulting "synthetic cell" was then "rebooted" and it started to replicate. The ability to reproduce or replicate is considered the basic definition of life.

Dr Venter compared his work with the building of a computer. Making the artificial DNA was the equivalent of creating the software for the operating system. Transferring it to a cell was like loading it into the hardware and running the programme.

"This is the first synthetic cell that's been made, and we call it synthetic because the cell is totally derived from a synthetic chromosome, made with four bottles of chemicals on a chemical synthesizer, starting with information in a computer," said Dr Venter.

"This becomes a very powerful tool for trying to design what we want biology to do. We have a wide range of applications [in mind]," he said.

The researchers are planning to design algae that can capture carbon dioxide and make new hydrocarbons that could go into refineries.

They are also working on ways to speed up vaccine production, making new chemicals or food ingredients and cleaning up water, said Dr Venter.

While a major technological leap forward the life form is still incredibly simple in natural terms. Its DNA is made up of 485 genes, each strand of which is made up of one million base pairs, the equivalent of rungs on a ladder.

A human genome has 20,000 genes and three billion base pairs.

Nevertheless it is the beginning of the process that could lead to creation of much more complicated species, and into a world of artificial animals and people only envisaged in films such as Ridley Scott's Bladerunner and Steven Spielberg's Artificial Intelligence.

Professor Julian Savulescu, an expert in Practical Ethics at the University of Oxford, said: “Venter is creaking open the most profound door in humanity’s history, potentially peeking into its destiny.

"He is going toward the role of a god: creating artificial life that could never have existed naturally.

"The potential is in the far future, but real and significant: dealing with pollution, new energy sources, new forms of communication. But the risks are also unparalleled.

"We need new standards of safety evaluation for this kind of radical research and protections from military or terrorist misuse and abuse.

"These could be used in the future to make the most powerful bioweapons imaginable."

Dr David King, director of the watchdog Human Genetics Alert, said: “What is really dangerous is these scientists’ ambitions for total and unrestrained control over nature, which many people describe as ‘playing God’.

“Scientists’ understanding of biology falls far short of their technical capabilities. We have already learnt to our cost the risks that gap brings, for the environment, animal welfare and human health.”

Dr Venter has called for reviews so that debate keeps up with the science.

He said: "It's part of an ongoing process that we've been driving, trying to make sure that the science proceeds in an ethical fashion, that we're being thoughtful about what we do and looking forward to the implications to the future."

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
How did everything come from nothing Welts?
Which came first, male or female? How did systems "evolve' that are symbiotic and interdependent on the existence of simultaneous systems?
Show me examples of MACRO evolution of one species TURNING INTO another.

PROVE IT.
Sure, as soon as y'all prove creationism...
flan

You seem to be missing the point. You can't have evolution unless you go back THE BEGINNING and explain how nothing created something. Then, we can talk. So if not God, then WHAT? Waiting.......................

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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

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