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A 35-year-old Syrian refugee, Samar, in November with her three daughters, then 2, 8 and 13, at a shelter in Berlin. “Everybody knows there are two ways of paying the smugglers,” she said. “With money or with your body.” Samar refused a smuggler's advances in Turkey, and was threatened. Credit Djamila Grossman for The New York Times

BERLIN — One Syrian woman who joined the stream of migrants to Germany was forced to pay down her husband’s debt to smugglers by making herself available for sex along the way. Another was beaten unconscious by a Hungarian prison guard after refusing his advances.

A third, a former makeup artist, dressed as a boy and stopped washing to ward off the men in her group of refugees. Now in an emergency shelter in Berlin, she still sleeps in her clothes and, like several women here, pushes a cupboard in front of her door at night.

“There is no lock or key or anything,” said Esraa al-Horani, the makeup artist and one of the few women here not afraid to give her name. She has been lucky, Ms. Horani said: “I’ve only been beaten and robbed.”

War and violence at home, exploitative smugglers and perilous seas along the way, an uncertain welcome and future on a foreign continent — these are some of the risks faced by tens of thousands of migrants who continue to make their way to Europe from the Middle East and beyond. But at each step of the way, the dangers are amplified for women.

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Esraa al-Horani, from Syria, at a refugee shelter in Berlin in November. She still sleeps in her clothes and, like several women at the shelter, pushes a cupboard in front of her door at night. Credit Djamila Grossman for The New York Times

Interviews with dozens of migrants, social workers and psychologists caring for traumatized new arrivals across Germany suggest that the current mass migration has been accompanied by a surge of violence against women. From forced marriages and sex trafficking to domestic abuse, women report violence from fellow refugees, smugglers, male family members and even European police officers. There are no reliable statistics for sexual and other abuse of female refugees.

Among the more than one million migrants who have entered Europe over the past year, fleeing war and poverty in the Middle East and beyond, men outnumber women by more than three to one, United Nations statistics show. “The men dominate, numerically and otherwise,” says Heike Rabe, a gender expert at the German Institute for Human Rights.

Susanne Höhne, the lead psychotherapist at a center in west Berlin specializing in treating traumatized female migrants, says that almost all of the 44 women in her care — some barely adults, some over 60 — have experienced sexual violence. “We go to our own therapists for supervision twice a month to cope with what we hear,” Ms. Höhne said about her 18 staff members. Together they provide two weekly therapy sessions to each woman and up to seven hours of social work, including home visits, to help them with adjusting to life in Germany.

A 30-year-old Syrian mother of four fled the war with her family early last year. When her husband ran out of money to pay their smuggler in Bulgaria, he offered his wife as payment instead. For three months, she was raped almost daily to earn her family’s onward journey.

Soon her own husband was abusing her, too. A “twisted logic,” Ms. Höhne said. “What her husband made her do ended up tainting his honor. She became the guilty party.”

The woman now has asylum and lives in Berlin with her children. Her husband, who lives elsewhere in Germany but has stalked her on the street in Berlin at least once, is under a restraining order. But she remains too terrified to provide even her first name, for fear of being killed by him or another relative over the perception that she brought “dishonor” to the family.

Ms. Höhne says the woman displays all the symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, including flashbacks, insomnia and trouble concentrating. “One moment she will seem perfectly healthy, the next she is in her chair opposite you dodging bullets in Damascus or reliving her abuse in Bulgaria,” she said.

In Greece, one of the main entry points to Europe for migrants, reception centers are often overcrowded and lack adequate lighting and separate spaces for single women, said William Spindler of the United Nations refugee agency. “Men, women and children sleep in the same areas,” he said. Across Europe, he added, “cases of sexual violence and family violence have been reported to our staff in the field.”

Even in the relative safety of Germany, an asylum system struggling with the logistics of accommodating close to one million migrants in 2015 has been cutting corners when it comes to basic protections for women, like lockable bedrooms.

“The priority has been to avoid homelessness,” said Ms. Rabe, the German expert on gender-based violence. “But an environment that inadvertently facilitates violence is a risk factor. We cannot allow standards to slip.”

That is easier said than done, said Jan Schebaum, who manages two homes for asylum seekers in east Berlin. There are two bathrooms per floor, and the rooms are full.

One of the homes he runs is the emergency shelter where Ms. Horani, the makeup artist, stays. Of 120 adults there, most are Syrian and Afghan, and 80 are men.

“The women are in the shadow of the men,” Mr. Schebaum said. “Their voices are drowned out, and it’s a problem.”

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Samar danced at a women's "coffee hour" at a local cafe organized by the shelter in Berlin. Credit Djamila Grossman for The New York Times

At the food counter, where volunteers hand out hot soup and fresh fruit, the women are often last in line. They stay in their rooms a lot and rarely sign up for activities advertised on the notice board, like museum visits or concerts. One Syrian woman has not left the building since arriving two months ago because her husband, who has not yet arrived in Germany, prohibited her from doing so.

In the laundry room, stories of domestic abuse circulate in hushed conversations among the women. There is a violently jealous husband on the fourth floor who has beaten his wife. There is a woman who has been beaten by her husband because they cannot have children. A couple of months ago, two Afghan men harassed an Afghan girl with lewd comments and pushed her off her bike before others intervened, a volunteer at the shelter said. But few incidents of violence are reported.

The asylum claims of married couples are often linked, Ms. Rabe said, making the women more dependent on their husbands and more reluctant to be separated. In theory, German law is well equipped to deal with domestic violence, she said. But in practice, measures like the physical separation of partners are hard to carry out inside a shelter.

The first time Mr. Schebaum learned about a husband beating up his wife he called the police, only to find the wife shouting at him for “stealing her husband.” Since then, he deals with reports of violence mostly through mediation, and by trying to empower the women in his homes.


Last month one of his volunteers started a weekly walk for women. Even husbands who were initially skeptical allowed their wives to go. One woman left the premises for the first time. In the park she played a song on her cellphone and started dancing. “The longer we were outside, the more confident she became,” recalled the volunteer, Vivien Roos, a 34-year-old yoga teacher.


There is now an all-women knitting evening and an aerobics class. On Wednesday mornings, small groups of women go to the house of a volunteer for a private shower, nail-painting and grooming session.

One afternoon a week, female social workers take migrant women to a cafe across the street for a “coffee hour.” The walls are covered in graffiti, and it smells of smoke. But no matter. When Ms. Horani arrived with a large Arabic music selection on her smartphone, the scruffy interior was transformed into a bobbing sea of dancing head scarves.

As some women painted their hands with henna and others traded frustrations about the time it was taking to get refugee status, Samar, a 35-year-old former employee of the Syrian Finance Ministry, opened up about the particular stress of being a woman on the move. Bombed out of her home in Darayya, a suburb of Damascus that early in the civil war became known for antigovernment protests, Samar spent 14 months on the road alone with her three daughters, ages 2, 8 and 13.

“I did not leave them out of my sight for one minute,” she said in Arabic, speaking through an interpreter. She and other single mothers slept in shifts along the way, watching over their daughters and one another.

But in Izmir, Turkey, about to board a boat to Greece, Samar was robbed and left with no money to pay the smuggler. A stocky man who called himself Omar, he offered to take her for free, but only if she had sex with him. Samar had heard him before, at night, in the hostel where she and other refugee women were staying, “going to this room and that.”

“Everybody knows there are two ways of paying the smugglers,” she said. “With money or with your body.”

But she refused, and Omar became angry. That night he burst into Samar’s room, threatening her and her daughters before her screaming chased him away. Samar stayed in Turkey for almost a year to work and save up the 4,000 euros needed for the remainder of the journey.

Sitting with her youngest daughter curled on her lap, Samar concluded: “Almost all men in the world are bad.”

Across town, in west Berlin, Ms. Höhne sympathized, but had a more nuanced view. There are no easy solutions, she said. Female-only shelters are not an option because most families want to stay together. Some women rely on men for protection. And, she added, “We mustn’t forget many of the men are traumatized, too.”

“There is no black and white, good and evil,” she said. “If we want to help the women, we need to help the men, too.”



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And who are they getting abused by? Military men? Police or government officials? No.

They are getting abused by OTHER MIGRANTS. So much for the notion that these people are simply "innocent" bystanders wanting to get to a better life. MANY of them are not--and we need to keep them out.

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And who are they getting abused by? Military men? Police or government officials? No.

They are getting abused by OTHER MIGRANTS. So much for the notion that these people are simply "innocent" bystanders wanting to get to a better life. MANY of them are not--and we need to keep them out.


THIS is the kind of scum Europe is importing. And now Canada. 



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And who are they getting abused by? Military men? Police or government officials? No.

They are getting abused by OTHER MIGRANTS. So much for the notion that these people are simply "innocent" bystanders wanting to get to a better life. MANY of them are not--and we need to keep them out.


THIS is the kind of scum Europe is importing. And now Canada. 


Because most of the immigrants to this continent in the past have been eager to become "westernized" and adapted to our culture, 

many people think that pattern will continue.

I'm concerned that many of the Muslim men from the Middle East are quite happy to continue in the role of entitled abusers, treating women (and children) as THINGS to be controlled and used.

 

 



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We have enough entitled, abusive men who believe that their burqa-clad women are their property.

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These men need to be punished by the countries they are committing the crimes in, whether their own or the ones they migrate, too. And these women need to understand what rights and power they have in the country they have gone to. Being made to answer for this barbaric behavior is the only way it will end.

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It's not going to end. As soon as they have enough migrants and/or births to become a majority, it will be codified into law.

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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?

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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

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-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM

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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

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-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


 That is not going to happen here.  To think it would is ridiculous.  We have safeguards against that.  Besides the fact that HERE, women get to vote, women get rights, and they WILL wake up once exposed to western freedoms.  Yes, it will not be fun - but to think THIS country would allow sanctified rape is beyond reason.



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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


 That is not going to happen here.  To think it would is ridiculous.  We have safeguards against that.  Besides the fact that HERE, women get to vote, women get rights, and they WILL wake up once exposed to western freedoms.  Yes, it will not be fun - but to think THIS country would allow sanctified rape is beyond reason.


Well, white men in the South could rape black women with impunity, at least up to the 1950's. 

 



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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


 That is not going to happen here.  To think it would is ridiculous.  We have safeguards against that.  Besides the fact that HERE, women get to vote, women get rights, and they WILL wake up once exposed to western freedoms.  Yes, it will not be fun - but to think THIS country would allow sanctified rape is beyond reason.


Well, white men in the South could rape black women with impunity, at least up to the 1950's. 

 


 But not anymore.  The 1950s were 60 years ago, ed. 

And women haven't even had the vote for 100 years, and yet look at all the advances they have made.  And I'll tell you what - a man - any man- rapes me or attempts to?  He isn't going to be alive to stand trial.



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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


You don't even have to look as far as ISIS. Many Muslim men believe they have every right to rape infidels. 

Look at what's happening in places like Sweden and the Netherlands. Sweden has become a rape capitol.



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Women need to arm themselves and shoot the motherfvckers.

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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


 That is not going to happen here.  To think it would is ridiculous.  We have safeguards against that.  Besides the fact that HERE, women get to vote, women get rights, and they WILL wake up once exposed to western freedoms.  Yes, it will not be fun - but to think THIS country would allow sanctified rape is beyond reason.


 Not if they become a majority.  That may or may not happen here, but in many places in Europe it will likely happen in the next 50 years.

 

Plus, women in Iran DID have many western freedoms before 1979--and they are now gone.

a Saudi prince just married a NINE year old, and they are one of the more moderate Muslim states and an ostensible ally.



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Lawyerlady wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


 That is not going to happen here.  To think it would is ridiculous.  We have safeguards against that.  Besides the fact that HERE, women get to vote, women get rights, and they WILL wake up once exposed to western freedoms.  Yes, it will not be fun - but to think THIS country would allow sanctified rape is beyond reason.


Well, white men in the South could rape black women with impunity, at least up to the 1950's. 

 


 But not anymore.  The 1950s were 60 years ago, ed. 

And women haven't even had the vote for 100 years, and yet look at all the advances they have made.  And I'll tell you what - a man - any man- rapes me or attempts to?  He isn't going to be alive to stand trial.


 Spoken like a woman who grew up with freedoms and choices--which will disappear if Muslims have their way.



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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


 That is not going to happen here.  To think it would is ridiculous.  We have safeguards against that.  Besides the fact that HERE, women get to vote, women get rights, and they WILL wake up once exposed to western freedoms.  Yes, it will not be fun - but to think THIS country would allow sanctified rape is beyond reason.


 Not if they become a majority.  That may or may not happen here, but in many places in Europe it will likely happen in the next 50 years.

 

Plus, women in Iran DID have many western freedoms before 1979--and they are now gone.

a Saudi prince just married a NINE year old, and they are one of the more moderate Muslim states and an ostensible ally.


 They would have to overturn our Constitution and take over complete control of the government. 

But, American women are not of the same mindset as women around the world.  And many of us have guns and know how to use them.  AND we have Texas. 



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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.

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huskerbb wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:
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Lawyerlady wrote:

Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


 That is not going to happen here.  To think it would is ridiculous.  We have safeguards against that.  Besides the fact that HERE, women get to vote, women get rights, and they WILL wake up once exposed to western freedoms.  Yes, it will not be fun - but to think THIS country would allow sanctified rape is beyond reason.


Well, white men in the South could rape black women with impunity, at least up to the 1950's. 

 


 But not anymore.  The 1950s were 60 years ago, ed. 

And women haven't even had the vote for 100 years, and yet look at all the advances they have made.  And I'll tell you what - a man - any man- rapes me or attempts to?  He isn't going to be alive to stand trial.


 Spoken like a woman who grew up with freedoms and choices--which will disappear if Muslims have their way.


 Husker - American women wouldn't let that happen. 



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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.


 Probably.  Or, we could wage the war over there instead of here.



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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.


 Conservatives AND Liberals alike.

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You are the one saying how innocent all this is.

These migrants are supposedly the most innocent--and look what happens.

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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.


 Conservatives AND Liberals alike.

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 yet you would support a president bringing them into this nation by the thousands.



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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.


 Conservatives AND Liberals alike.

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 yet you would support a president bringing them into this nation by the thousands.


 Quote me.

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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.


 Conservatives AND Liberals alike.

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 yet you would support a president bringing them into this nation by the thousands.


 Quote me.

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 Oh come off of it.  You have been an Obama supporter all along.



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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.


 Conservatives AND Liberals alike.

flan


 yet you would support a president bringing them into this nation by the thousands.


 Quote me.

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 Oh come off of it.  You have been an Obama supporter all along.


 I'm referring to your specific example.

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I can see how it could happen here.

It is happening here.

Everyone thinks tanks will roll in, razor wire will sprout from the ground and boom, muslim control. ISIS control.

That's not how it will happen.

Our government has active muslim members who were voted in.

The proverbial foot is in the door.

Rights are slowly being eroded.

New norms are taking root.

The indoctrination is underway.





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Okey dokey, then.

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flan327 wrote:
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You act like AMERICANS are just going to roll over and let Muslims have their way. We'd stage a civil war, first.


 Conservatives AND Liberals alike.

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 yet you would support a president bringing them into this nation by the thousands.


 Quote me.

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 Oh come off of it.  You have been an Obama supporter all along.


 I'm referring to your specific example.

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 It's obamas policy.  Either you support him or you don't.



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husker, you are not that dense.

Even if you LIKE a President, it doesn't mean that you have to support EVERY SINGLE THING he does...

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husker, you are not that dense.

Even if you LIKE a President, it doesn't mean that you have to support EVERY SINGLE THING he does...

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 This is a big one.  It's like saying "well, I like FDR except for how he handled that whole WWII thing."  Absurd.



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Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


You don't even have to look as far as ISIS. Many Muslim men believe they have every right to rape infidels. 

Look at what's happening in places like Sweden and the Netherlands. Sweden has become a rape capitol.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 04:44:32 PM


 Welts: I say this because you like to correct people on their spelling. The word you are looking for is capital. Capitol refers to a building.



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chef wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


You don't even have to look as far as ISIS. Many Muslim men believe they have every right to rape infidels. 

Look at what's happening in places like Sweden and the Netherlands. Sweden has become a rape capitol.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 04:44:32 PM


 Welts: I say this because you like to correct people on their spelling. The word you are looking for is capital. Capitol refers to a building.


Thank you very much. English is not my first language, or even my second. If people don't correct me, how will I ever learn? 



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This is why I am staunchly opposed to any form of religion or religious influence in government. If we have our Christian guidelines forming our government because that's the current majority what right will we have to deny Muslims their guidelines reforming our government if or when they become the majority?

And don't get me started on "safeguards". We have "safeguards" to insure criminals don't get guns, yet they manage to get them.

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weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


You don't even have to look as far as ISIS. Many Muslim men believe they have every right to rape infidels. 

Look at what's happening in places like Sweden and the Netherlands. Sweden has become a rape capitol.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 04:44:32 PM


 Welts: I say this because you like to correct people on their spelling. The word you are looking for is capital. Capitol refers to a building.


Thank you very much. English is not my first language, or even my second. If people don't correct me, how will I ever learn? 


 Really?! Honestly, you'd never know. I think your English is great. English is such a pain in the rear to learn.

What is your first language?



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chef wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:

Sanctified Rape will be codified into law?


LOL!!!  Pretty much. Look at how it is treated with ISIS.  They sanction sex slaves for pete's sakes. 

In other nations, the rape VICTIM is often charged with a crime, not the rapist.

 

Even in the best case scenarios, the penalties are so low they make no difference. 

 

Wake up.   



-- Edited by huskerbb on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 03:17:35 PM


You don't even have to look as far as ISIS. Many Muslim men believe they have every right to rape infidels. 

Look at what's happening in places like Sweden and the Netherlands. Sweden has become a rape capitol.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Sunday 3rd of January 2016 04:44:32 PM


 Welts: I say this because you like to correct people on their spelling. The word you are looking for is capital. Capitol refers to a building.


Thank you very much. English is not my first language, or even my second. If people don't correct me, how will I ever learn? 


 Really?! Honestly, you'd never know. I think your English is great. English is such a pain in the rear to learn.

What is your first language?


Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



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English is the hardest language on planet Earth. It makes absolutely no sense. And I speak it!

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English is the hardest language on planet Earth. It makes absolutely no sense. And I speak it!

Robert blew out the blue candle then ate some bleu cheese.
Sara read this great poem yesterday about a red reed, did you read it too?


It is.

If it's one moose and two moose, then why isn't it one goose and two goose?

If it's one house and two houses, then why isn't it one mouse and two mouses?

It makes no sense. You learn it by rote from childhood. I had a hell of a time.



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Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 4th of January 2016 11:45:39 PM


I love languages. I know a few words in Russian. I'm semi-fluent in French though out of practice. I can get by in Spanish, Italian, and German. I've discovered that I can fairly accurately read Portuguese thanks to knowing French and Spanish.

I'm currently learning Swedish - no reason, just wanted to because I can. It's not too hard yet.

I took one semester of Japanese and failed miserably. I think if I had one full semester or two to just learn the alphabets (they have 3 - sheesh!), I might be successful.

English is a pain in my rear and I'm a native speaker. There are some rules but there's an exception for each one, it seems.



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weltschmerz wrote:
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English is the hardest language on planet Earth. It makes absolutely no sense. And I speak it!

Robert blew out the blue candle then ate some bleu cheese.
Sara read this great poem yesterday about a red reed, did you read it too?


It is.

If it's one moose and two moose, then why isn't it one goose and two goose?

If it's one house and two houses, then why isn't it one mouse and two mouses?

It makes no sense. You learn it by rote from childhood. I had a hell of a time.


 The bolded throws me every time. It should be meese, dangit!



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Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 4th of January 2016 11:45:39 PM


I love languages. I know a few words in Russian. I'm semi-fluent in French though out of practice. I can get by in Spanish, Italian, and German. I've discovered that I can fairly accurately read Portuguese thanks to knowing French and Spanish.

I'm currently learning Swedish - no reason, just wanted to because I can. It's not too hard yet.

I took one semester of Japanese and failed miserably. I think if I had one full semester or two to just learn the alphabets (they have 3 - sheesh!), I might be successful.

English is a pain in my rear and I'm a native speaker. There are some rules but there's an exception for each one, it seems.


 Jesse is in year 3 of Spanish, year 2 of German, he has taught himself Russian.

He and Aaron are learning Japanese.

Jesse has decided to follow a career in languages. 

He could get a job pretty much anywhere right now just translating. 

He says he will either teach or work in the White House. 

 



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Fun!

It was suggested to me to look into becoming a linguist but my hearing is so crappy that I didn't feel I'd be a good fit for that job.

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Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 4th of January 2016 11:45:39 PM


I love languages. I know a few words in Russian. I'm semi-fluent in French though out of practice. I can get by in Spanish, Italian, and German. I've discovered that I can fairly accurately read Portuguese thanks to knowing French and Spanish.

I'm currently learning Swedish - no reason, just wanted to because I can. It's not too hard yet.

I took one semester of Japanese and failed miserably. I think if I had one full semester or two to just learn the alphabets (they have 3 - sheesh!), I might be successful.

English is a pain in my rear and I'm a native speaker. There are some rules but there's an exception for each one, it seems.


 Yes. If you know certain core languages, a lot of other ones are pretty easy to figure out. Many have common roots.

It's pretty tricky with different alphabets, however.

You should come up to Montreal to practice your French. You'd have SO much fun!



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Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 4th of January 2016 11:45:39 PM


I love languages. I know a few words in Russian. I'm semi-fluent in French though out of practice. I can get by in Spanish, Italian, and German. I've discovered that I can fairly accurately read Portuguese thanks to knowing French and Spanish.

I'm currently learning Swedish - no reason, just wanted to because I can. It's not too hard yet.

I took one semester of Japanese and failed miserably. I think if I had one full semester or two to just learn the alphabets (they have 3 - sheesh!), I might be successful.

English is a pain in my rear and I'm a native speaker. There are some rules but there's an exception for each one, it seems.


 Jesse is in year 3 of Spanish, year 2 of German, he has taught himself Russian.

He and Aaron are learning Japanese.

Jesse has decided to follow a career in languages. 

He could get a job pretty much anywhere right now just translating. 

He says he will either teach or work in the White House. 

 


I did some work as an interpreter for the LAPD when I lived in California.

That was a hoot. 



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Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 4th of January 2016 11:45:39 PM


I love languages. I know a few words in Russian. I'm semi-fluent in French though out of practice. I can get by in Spanish, Italian, and German. I've discovered that I can fairly accurately read Portuguese thanks to knowing French and Spanish.

I'm currently learning Swedish - no reason, just wanted to because I can. It's not too hard yet.

I took one semester of Japanese and failed miserably. I think if I had one full semester or two to just learn the alphabets (they have 3 - sheesh!), I might be successful.

English is a pain in my rear and I'm a native speaker. There are some rules but there's an exception for each one, it seems.


 Yes. If you know certain core languages, a lot of other ones are pretty easy to figure out. Many have common roots.

It's pretty tricky with different alphabets, however.

You should come up to Montreal to practice your French. You'd have SO much fun!


 I'd love to visit Montreal some day. I also want to visit the ice hotel in Quebec. There are a lot of countries I want to visit too but that may never happen. I've been to Canada (Vancouver) and Mexico though. I want to go back to Vancouver sometime. The planetarium was awesome and I want to spend some quality time at Craigdarroch Castle. I went with my high school choir and we didn't get enough time at some places.

DH insists on saying Montreal and Quebec the "American" way every time. Runs me nuts!



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Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 4th of January 2016 11:45:39 PM


I love languages. I know a few words in Russian. I'm semi-fluent in French though out of practice. I can get by in Spanish, Italian, and German. I've discovered that I can fairly accurately read Portuguese thanks to knowing French and Spanish.

I'm currently learning Swedish - no reason, just wanted to because I can. It's not too hard yet.

I took one semester of Japanese and failed miserably. I think if I had one full semester or two to just learn the alphabets (they have 3 - sheesh!), I might be successful.

English is a pain in my rear and I'm a native speaker. There are some rules but there's an exception for each one, it seems.


 Jesse is in year 3 of Spanish, year 2 of German, he has taught himself Russian.

He and Aaron are learning Japanese.

Jesse has decided to follow a career in languages. 

He could get a job pretty much anywhere right now just translating. 

He says he will either teach or work in the White House. 

 


 Not so much up here. SO many people here are multilingual, speaking at least three or four languages. It's a very competitive field.



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He finishes high school in May. He will start college in September.

He has about 4 years, at least, before he can take over the world.

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Thank you.

Russian, then French, then English, then Polish, then Spanish. The first three I speak fluently, the other two, enough to get by.

English was the hardest. There are no rules, only exceptions. It's all memorization.



-- Edited by weltschmerz on Monday 4th of January 2016 11:45:39 PM


I love languages. I know a few words in Russian. I'm semi-fluent in French though out of practice. I can get by in Spanish, Italian, and German. I've discovered that I can fairly accurately read Portuguese thanks to knowing French and Spanish.

I'm currently learning Swedish - no reason, just wanted to because I can. It's not too hard yet.

I took one semester of Japanese and failed miserably. I think if I had one full semester or two to just learn the alphabets (they have 3 - sheesh!), I might be successful.

English is a pain in my rear and I'm a native speaker. There are some rules but there's an exception for each one, it seems.


 Japanese is a lot easier to learn to speak than to read.



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