TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Too much emphasis is put on "chain" daycares or whatever.

Likely, some neighbor down the street could have her own daycare and do as good or better of a job--and cheaper. Both my sister and one SIL had daycares at one point and neither ever had any complaints.

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 There are pros and cons to both.  Having a private in-home daycare is preferable for the personal touch, but then you have to scramble when that person gets sick, or they need a day off, or they go on vacation.  And many of them are just babysitters - they don't do enrichment and learning.  A dedicated daycare center is held to higher standards with licensing requirements, usually has a learning curriculum in place, and doesn't close except for holidays. 

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   I tried using a private person whom was a nurse from the hospital and she had small kids.  But, she then started to cancel for stupid crap.  So, forget it.  ANd, honestly, i felt better with my kids at the local daycare, where i knew the owner pretty well and there were a lot of adults around.  Who knows what is going on in someone's home, you really don't know.

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 Home daycare's are suppose to be licensed unless they are doing it under the table.

I'm in a home daycare, but its fully licensed and she has  paid helpers and a full curriculum.  The daycare space is separated from her living areas.

Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Here there are laws that say you can have a certain number of kids in your house on a daily basis without a license. Once you exceed that you have to get a license. But you can be openly baby sitting as long as you don't exceed the limit.

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 Same here. It makes sense, since daycares have strict ratios.

flan

When we were little my mother took in the next door neighbor's kids because the mom worked. We were all around the same age, so we had someone to play with. My mom got paid for keeping the two girls during the day. It was a win-win.

NAOW wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Here there are laws that say you can have a certain number of kids in your house on a daily basis without a license. Once you exceed that you have to get a license. But you can be openly baby sitting as long as you don't exceed the limit.

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 Same here. It makes sense, since daycares have strict ratios.

flan

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 In SD the ratio for a licensed home daycare is one adult to 12 (yes 12!) kids. The ratios are much stricter at daycare centers. 

 

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(1:12) with no more than 4 children under the age of 2 years and no more than 2 of those 4 can be under the age of 1; provider's children under the age of 6 must be counted

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I don't think that is unreasonable.   

Yeah - no way I'd do a home daycare with more than 5-6 kids. And those would have to not be all little ones, otherwise, no more than 4.

I will ask Caitlyn what their ratios are for where she works.

But I know she has had as many as 14 toddlers, 12-24 months, at one time.

She usually has 10-12 on any given day.

huskerbb wrote:

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In most states, the type of daycare makes NO difference as to the allowable ratio of kids.

NAOW says they are different in her state, but didn't post what they were.  I rather doubt that is the case.  Even if it is, that would be an exception.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Friday 8th of January 2016 09:40:09 AM

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 That isn't even true in your own state.  For Nebraska -

 
Staff: Must be "legal age of majority" and have a written, department-approved plan to acquire at least 3 credit hours or 15 clock hours of Department-approved in-service training in child development/early childhood education or child care administration within 12 months of hiring; or a CDA; or a bachelor's or associate's degree in a field related to care and education of children ages 0 - 12 years (e.g., early childhood education, child development, elementary education, or special education); or one year verified group experience with a positive reference from a supervisor.

Age Range	Ratios for Center Based Care in Nebraska State
Infants	(1:4)
Toddlers	(1:6)
Preschool (3 years)	(1:10)
Preschool (4 - 5 years)	(1:12)
Schoolage	(1:15)
Mixed age group	center wide ratio count
Age Range	Ratios for Family Child Care in Nebraska State
Infants	(1:4)
All ages	(1:8) includes provider's own children under 8 years old; no more than 2 children may be under 18 months old; additionally, there may be 2 school age children during non-school hours
Mixed age group	(1:8) no more than 2 infants at one time
Schoolage	(1:10)

 

 

 

It's also not true in "most" other states.  Here ya go - you can check it for yourself. 

https://daycare.com/states.html

 

 

South Dakota -


Teacher: Must be at least 18 years old and have a bachelor's in fields of education or human development and at least 2 years experience in child care; or a bachelor's in elementary education and at least 2 years experience in child care; or a bachelor's in elementary education if working only with school-age children; or a bachelor's in early childhood education; or and associate's in early childhood development; or certification as a Child Development Associate; or certification in Montessori teacher training program and at least 1 year experience in a Montessori school or child care setting; or a child development technician diploma; or at least 5 years supervised experience in a child care center; or a prekindergarten teacher endorsement.

Age Range	Ratios for Center Based Care in South Dakota State
Infants	(1:5)
Toddlers (up to 3 years)	(1:5)
Preschool (3 - 6 years)	(1:10)
Schoolage	(1:15)
Mixed age group	according to number in each group
Age Range	Ratios for Family Child Care in South Dakota State
All ages	(1:12) with no more than 4 children under the age of 2 years and no more than 2 of those 4 can be under the age of 1; provider's children under the age of 6 must be counted

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huskerbb wrote:

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But that proves my point. They are actually HIGHER in the day care centers than in home.

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 What point is that, exactly?

huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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But that proves my point. They are actually HIGHER in the day care centers than in home.

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 What point is that, exactly?

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 The point that was being made is that day care centers had lower ratios.  That's not true, at least not in all cases--and that's using your information.

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 Daycare ratios are more SPECIFIC as related to how many children and age. 

huskerbb wrote:

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NAOW wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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NAOW wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Here there are laws that say you can have a certain number of kids in your house on a daily basis without a license. Once you exceed that you have to get a license. But you can be openly baby sitting as long as you don't exceed the limit.

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 Same here. It makes sense, since daycares have strict ratios.

flan

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 In SD the ratio for a licensed home daycare is one adult to 12 (yes 12!) kids. The ratios are much stricter at daycare centers. 

 

Spoiler

(1:12) with no more than 4 children under the age of 2 years and no more than 2 of those 4 can be under the age of 1; provider's children under the age of 6 must be counted

-- Edited by NAOW on Thursday 7th of January 2016 12:09:31 PM

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I don't think that is unreasonable.   

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 Wow. I would not feel comfortable with an infant or toddler being cared for by someone who had 11 other kids to look after by themselves. People talk about home daycares for the personal touch, but there is no way that provider will have time to rock or snuggle a small child with that many children to look after. 

 

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 A pre-school teacher might have more than that in their class.  They aren't all infants, either.

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 Here if a preschool teacher has more than 10, there must be another adult in the room.

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Yeah - no way I'd do a home daycare with more than 5-6 kids. And those would have to not be all little ones, otherwise, no more than 4.

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 Yea,  home day care providers I personally know, will not take more than 8 even though they are allowed to take more.

My MIL watched DD when she was small. While we desperately needed it, I would never do it again. It didn't cause hurt feelings with my parents - they we're smart enough to realize the person who saw her more often would be favored. But my MIL was a total idiot about it. She basically told us that since she was watching DD for free, we had no say in what rules she had or what she let DD do. It was awful. She let her eat Fritos for breakfast once on the grounds it was the same stuff as Corn Pops. I even provided breakfast for her and she fed her what she wanted just to be defiant. It was awful. Of course my MIL is mentally ill and we no longer have contact...but it still creates drama where you don't need any.