TOTALLY GEEKED!

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Plus, the hospital obviously doesn't do this for EVERY person who complains about the care their loved one is getting, or there would be HUNDREDS of people with behavior plans in the news.

She did something out of line. We don't have the hospital's side of the story.

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 She complained and they retaliated - it sounds pretty cut and dry.  You have no evidence she did anything out of line, and the fact the hospital let her back in after the story went public is very telling.

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????  I don't need "evidence". The fact that the hospital did what they did is proof enough.  They didn't do it to EVERYONE who complained now did they?   

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 And this is the problem.  The hospital and nurses could actually be in the WRONG, you know.  You take their side regardless of knowing the facts.  Why?

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And you took the side of the mother knowing the exact same information I have.  Why?  She could be wrong, you know.  That is the problem.   

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 She wasn't arrested for assault or anything else.  There was no court order.  If she did anything worthy of HAVING HER CHILD KEPT FROM HER, there would have been police records.

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So what?  Not all bad behavior rises to the level of criminality.   

 

If someone is being an obnoxious ass in my home or business--I have every right to kick them out even though being such is not a crime.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 7th of January 2016 10:42:09 PM

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 They do not have the right to keep her child from her Husker.  You don't get to kick someone out of your house for being obnoxious and keep their kid. 

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You're right--they should have let her carry her kid out on the spot.  

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Actually, she is raising money to move the baby. To a better hospital. With nurses able to answer questions, not bruise the babies, have doctors that respond, and know how to handle grieving and worried mothers.

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She had the choice to go to a different one in the first place--but it's doubtful there is more than a handful in the entire nation that can perform that type of surgery. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Actually, she is raising money to move the baby. To a better hospital. With nurses able to answer questions, not bruise the babies, have doctors that respond, and know how to handle grieving and worried mothers.

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She had the choice to go to a different one in the first place--but it's doubtful there is more than a handful in the entire nation that can perform that type of surgery. 

 

 

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Husker, why do expect people to be clairvoyant all the time?

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I don't--but I do expect them to behave themselves.   

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Actually, she is raising money to move the baby. To a better hospital. With nurses able to answer questions, not bruise the babies, have doctors that respond, and know how to handle grieving and worried mothers.

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She had the choice to go to a different one in the first place--but it's doubtful there is more than a handful in the entire nation that can perform that type of surgery. 

 

 

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Husker, why do expect people to be clairvoyant all the time?

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I don't--but I do expect them to behave themselves.   

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 And again - you have no evidence that she didn't.  And the hospital let her back in.  If she had done something so atrocious that she deserved to be kept from her sick newborn, they would have made it stick.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Actually, she is raising money to move the baby. To a better hospital. With nurses able to answer questions, not bruise the babies, have doctors that respond, and know how to handle grieving and worried mothers.

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She had the choice to go to a different one in the first place--but it's doubtful there is more than a handful in the entire nation that can perform that type of surgery. 

 

 

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Husker, why do expect people to be clairvoyant all the time?

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I don't--but I do expect them to behave themselves.   

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 And again - you have no evidence that she didn't.  And the hospital let her back in.  If she had done something so atrocious that she deserved to be kept from her sick newborn, they would have made it stick.

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Of course there is.  The hospital wouldn't have kicked her out in the first place if there was nothing to do so for.   

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Actually, she is raising money to move the baby. To a better hospital. With nurses able to answer questions, not bruise the babies, have doctors that respond, and know how to handle grieving and worried mothers.

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She had the choice to go to a different one in the first place--but it's doubtful there is more than a handful in the entire nation that can perform that type of surgery. 

 

 

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Husker, why do expect people to be clairvoyant all the time?

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I don't--but I do expect them to behave themselves.   

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 And again - you have no evidence that she didn't.  And the hospital let her back in.  If she had done something so atrocious that she deserved to be kept from her sick newborn, they would have made it stick.

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Of course there is.  The hospital wouldn't have kicked her out in the first place if there was nothing to do so for.   

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 I disagree.  Hospitals are getting to be fascist. 

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Actually, she is raising money to move the baby. To a better hospital. With nurses able to answer questions, not bruise the babies, have doctors that respond, and know how to handle grieving and worried mothers.

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She had the choice to go to a different one in the first place--but it's doubtful there is more than a handful in the entire nation that can perform that type of surgery. 

 

 

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Husker, why do expect people to be clairvoyant all the time?

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I don't--but I do expect them to behave themselves.   

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 And again - you have no evidence that she didn't.  And the hospital let her back in.  If she had done something so atrocious that she deserved to be kept from her sick newborn, they would have made it stick.

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Of course there is.  The hospital wouldn't have kicked her out in the first place if there was nothing to do so for.   

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 I disagree.  Hospitals are getting to be fascist. 

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Then there would be a hundred people with the same issue--but there's not.   

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Actually, she is raising money to move the baby. To a better hospital. With nurses able to answer questions, not bruise the babies, have doctors that respond, and know how to handle grieving and worried mothers.

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 Yes, and you are personally familiar with the "better" hospital how?

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, we don't know that there aren't police records do we? We only know her side. Not saying she did anything other than complain, which certainly should not bar her from seeing her child. But, since the Hospital isn't going to speak up, we don't really know. However, unless there was some extreme situation, what they are doing to withhold the love and comfort of the child's mother is wrong.

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 I agree.

I also understand that the hospital CAN'T comment.

IF she was disruptive, and keeping the nurses from giving their attention to other babies in the NICU...that's about the only thing that makes sense to me.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, we don't know that there aren't police records do we? We only know her side. Not saying she did anything other than complain, which certainly should not bar her from seeing her child. But, since the Hospital isn't going to speak up, we don't really know. However, unless there was some extreme situation, what they are doing to withhold the love and comfort of the child's mother is wrong.

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 Those would be public record and I'm sure the media would have found it.

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There's a sign in the lobby of where I work, that if you're physically or verbally abusive to the staff, we WILL have you removed.
We have no information about the hospital's side of the story. We don't know the extent of her behaviour, only what she's saying.

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   We don't.  But, I think the Hospital needs to find a way to mediate with the mother and work with her.  And, she needs to be told in no uncertain terms that she does not have the right to interfere with care and what nurses and doctors are doing.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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There's a sign in the lobby of where I work, that if you're physically or verbally abusive to the staff, we WILL have you removed.
We have no information about the hospital's side of the story. We don't know the extent of her behaviour, only what she's saying.

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   We don't.  But, I think the Hospital needs to find a way to mediate with the mother and work with her.  And, she needs to be told in no uncertain terms that she does not have the right to interfere with care and what nurses and doctors are doing.

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 You seriously are FOR no parental rights?

You have got to be kidding.

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 No, that isn't what I said at ALL.  But, if you want to turn this into something it isn't, then have at it.  She can disagree with care.  She can refuse treatments or whatever.  SHe can transfer her baby to someone else's care.  Yes of course.  But, she cannot hinder the staff from doing their jobs or interfering in caring for others.  If you are going to be in the hospital, then you are agreeing to the care they are going to provide you.    And, if she is going to try to stop them from doing the treatments that they believe are in the best interest of the baby, then she needs to go to the Medical Ethics Committees, etc as there are channels that she can go through at the hospital.

  Hospitals don't usually ban parents.  They are now very liberal in terms of visiting hours and so forth compared to times past.  But, if she was doing things that they believe endangerd the child, then they HAVE to act on the child's behalf.

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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There's a sign in the lobby of where I work, that if you're physically or verbally abusive to the staff, we WILL have you removed.
We have no information about the hospital's side of the story. We don't know the extent of her behaviour, only what she's saying.

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   We don't.  But, I think the Hospital needs to find a way to mediate with the mother and work with her.  And, she needs to be told in no uncertain terms that she does not have the right to interfere with care and what nurses and doctors are doing.

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 You seriously are FOR no parental rights?

You have got to be kidding.

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 No, that isn't what I said at ALL.  But, if you want to turn this into something it isn't, then have at it.  She can disagree with care.  She can refuse treatments or whatever.  SHe can transfer her baby to someone else's care.  Yes of course.  But, she cannot hinder the staff from doing their jobs or interfering in caring for others.  If you are going to be in the hospital, then you are agreeing to the care they are going to provide you.    And, if she is going to try to stop them from doing the treatments that they believe are in the best interest of the baby, then she needs to go to the Medical Ethics Committees, etc as there are channels that she can go through at the hospital.

  Hospitals don't usually ban parents.  They are now very liberal in terms of visiting hours and so forth compared to times past.  But, if she was doing things that they believe endangerd the child, then they HAVE to act on the child's behalf.

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 Where on earth do you get that she was trying to STOP treatments?  And she DID go through the proper channels - that's when she got banned.

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In this situation - the woman was banned from seeing her child after complaining about her care through the proper channels. How is that NOT retalitory?

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 We don't KNOW what the situation is.  But, even if she acted out in some way,  they need to be working on solutions because babies need their mothers.

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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just Czech wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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weltschmerz wrote:

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There's a sign in the lobby of where I work, that if you're physically or verbally abusive to the staff, we WILL have you removed.
We have no information about the hospital's side of the story. We don't know the extent of her behaviour, only what she's saying.

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   We don't.  But, I think the Hospital needs to find a way to mediate with the mother and work with her.  And, she needs to be told in no uncertain terms that she does not have the right to interfere with care and what nurses and doctors are doing.

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 You seriously are FOR no parental rights?

You have got to be kidding.

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 No, that isn't what I said at ALL.  But, if you want to turn this into something it isn't, then have at it.  She can disagree with care.  She can refuse treatments or whatever.  SHe can transfer her baby to someone else's care.  Yes of course.  But, she cannot hinder the staff from doing their jobs or interfering in caring for others.  If you are going to be in the hospital, then you are agreeing to the care they are going to provide you.    And, if she is going to try to stop them from doing the treatments that they believe are in the best interest of the baby, then she needs to go to the Medical Ethics Committees, etc as there are channels that she can go through at the hospital.

  Hospitals don't usually ban parents.  They are now very liberal in terms of visiting hours and so forth compared to times past.  But, if she was doing things that they believe endangerd the child, then they HAVE to act on the child's behalf.

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 Where on earth do you get that she was trying to STOP treatments?  And she DID go through the proper channels - that's when she got banned.

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 I am addressing parental rights IN GENERAL.  That parents consent for their children's treatments and can also choose not to consent.  I am addressing Czech.

weltschmerz wrote:

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There's a sign in the lobby of where I work, that if you're physically or verbally abusive to the staff, we WILL have you removed.
We have no information about the hospital's side of the story. We don't know the extent of her behaviour, only what she's saying.

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 They CANNOT comment.

If the mother is alone (no extended family), she may well be hindering the staff's ability to care for other patients.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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I think they should have some sensibility that this is a distraught mother and should act accordingly. However, have you ever been in an ER or doctor's office where there is someone who thinks they can DEMAND anything they want and expect everyone to jump? Sorry, they have a JOB to do. And, they will do it in a professional and timely manner in the way they were trained to do, which might include you waiting in the ER for 6 hrs because they have to attend other duties.

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 And you realize that hospitals, doctors and nurses can screw up, right?