TOTALLY GEEKED!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Dear Harriette: Circus is No Fun

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Do they have A-1 or do I need to bring my own?

chef · Guru

Welts: I had no idea something like Toro del Fuego existed. Depraved.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
Welts: I had no idea something like Toro del Fuego existed. Depraved.

That's what most people think.

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

chef wrote:
Welts: I had no idea something like Toro del Fuego existed. Depraved.

Yeah.

If you google it, you'll throw up.

NAOW · Vette's SS

chef wrote:
Welts: I had no idea something like Toro del Fuego existed. Depraved.

Yes. How awful.

weltschmerz · Guru

Psychopaths will make jokes about it.

chef · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
Welts: I had no idea something like Toro del Fuego existed. Depraved.
Yeah.
If you google it, you'll throw up.

No thanks. Knowing it exists is enough to make me sick.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

chef wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
chef wrote:
Welts: I had no idea something like Toro del Fuego existed. Depraved.
Yeah.
If you google it, you'll throw up.
No thanks. Knowing it exists is enough to make me sick.

Often, for me, the headline is more than enough. I have a vivid imagination.

flan

Lindley · Guru

My dad was a tough Texan and he hated the circus because they were known to mistreat animals.He refused to go to ever take us kids to one. I don't like to see any innocent living being mistreated either whether it is a animal or baby.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

When I lived in Ohio, as a child we had about an acre, as did our neighbors. When the circus came to town, our crazy neighbor lady befriended the workers and invited them to stay on her property. So next door to us, we had 3 mobile homes (the old timey silver ones) and 3 horse trailers. They had large Percheron horses in the trailers and did not let them out the entire 2 weeks except for when they went to work at the circus. They stayed in the trailers the entire time. These are large horses and they shouldn't be cooped up like that. The workers had all the dogs used in the circus in their trailers. There were over 20 dogs in one trailer with the family. It stunk and they got very little food. The workers didn't give a hoot about the animals. They were hustlers who only worried about the money. They would do anything for a buck.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
A living creature is set on FIRE while it's ALIVE...

flan

We boil lobsters dont we?

sweet tooth · Member

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I really want to go to a bull fight someday.

Of course you do!
Maybe you could go to the Toro del Fuego, where they set live bulls on fire, for a nightcap. Bring the kids!

This is sick and insane. And Lily, I do not believe you are ok with this if you saw it in real life. Very few people really find this acceptable.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Torturing and hurting animals is not right. Having a pony under a tent riding little kids isnt abuse.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
NAOW wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Whether or not you go to a circus--I don't care.

You just don't have to ruin crap for everyone else.

Declining an invitation is not ruining it for everyone else.
Yeah, in this case it rather is.
Making your moral stand over some kid's birthday party puts a damper on the festivities.
Well, MAYBE next time they will choose a different venue.
Even as a child, I hated watching a circus on TV.
flan
Ah, so you bully people into doing what you want by pouting and not letting your child go to some birthday party. Got it.
Did I write the OP?
I shared my opinion, which is that circuses MISTREAT animals. welts backed it up with facts.
flan

Welts hasn't backed up sh!t. She wouldn't know a fact if it bit her in the ass.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
A living creature is set on FIRE while it's ALIVE...

flan

At the circus? WTF are you babbling about?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
A living creature is set on FIRE while it's ALIVE...

flan
At the circus? WTF are you babbling about?

husker, try and keep up. READ the thread.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
NAOW wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Whether or not you go to a circus--I don't care.

You just don't have to ruin crap for everyone else.

Declining an invitation is not ruining it for everyone else.
Yeah, in this case it rather is.
Making your moral stand over some kid's birthday party puts a damper on the festivities.
Well, MAYBE next time they will choose a different venue.
Even as a child, I hated watching a circus on TV.
flan
Ah, so you bully people into doing what you want by pouting and not letting your child go to some birthday party. Got it.
Did I write the OP?
I shared my opinion, which is that circuses MISTREAT animals. welts backed it up with facts.
flan
Welts hasn't backed up sh!t. She wouldn't know a fact if it bit her in the ass.

How utterly charming...

flan

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
A living creature is set on FIRE while it's ALIVE...

flan
At the circus? WTF are you babbling about?
husker, try and keep up. READ the thread.
flan

I did. It was about the circus--and then it went off on some irrelevant tangent that has nothing to do with anything--and that's how they "back up" their nonsense.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Torturing and hurting animals is not right. Having a pony under a tent riding little kids isnt abuse.

That's NOT what a circus is.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

sweet tooth wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I really want to go to a bull fight someday.

Of course you do!
Maybe you could go to the Toro del Fuego, where they set live bulls on fire, for a nightcap. Bring the kids!

This is sick and insane. And Lily, I do not believe you are ok with this if you saw it in real life. Very few people really find this acceptable.

I was pulling Weltz's strings.

I said in my first post I don't want animals abused.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Nice backtracking. I don't believe it.

You also said that circuses were such a wonderful way to children to encounter animals...

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
NAOW wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Whether or not you go to a circus--I don't care.

You just don't have to ruin crap for everyone else.

Declining an invitation is not ruining it for everyone else.
Yeah, in this case it rather is.
Making your moral stand over some kid's birthday party puts a damper on the festivities.
Well, MAYBE next time they will choose a different venue.
Even as a child, I hated watching a circus on TV.
flan
Ah, so you bully people into doing what you want by pouting and not letting your child go to some birthday party. Got it.
Did I write the OP?
I shared my opinion, which is that circuses MISTREAT animals. welts backed it up with facts.
flan
Welts hasn't backed up sh!t. She wouldn't know a fact if it bit her in the ass.

You're always such a charmer when the FACTS are distasteful to you. You resort to crude behaviour. You're such a gent.

Your parents didn't raise you very well, did they?

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
A living creature is set on FIRE while it's ALIVE...

flan
We boil lobsters dont we?

I put live lobsters in the freezer. It goes into a coma-like sleep, and doesn't actually feel cold, because it's cold-blooded.

Doen't feel a thing when it hits the boiling water, as it's dead before it has a chance to wake up.

You can't compare that with setting a live mammal on fire.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh, OK. You are killing it too but you aren't cuz it's going into a "coma". Uh huh. You don't ever eat fresh lobster?

msrock · Guru

I don't eat fresh lobster, I don't eat veal and I don't go to the circus.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh, OK. You are killing it too but you aren't cuz it's going into a "coma". Uh huh. You don't ever eat fresh lobster?

Well do you think there is a difference between a person being lit on fire while alive and a person going into a coma and then dying?! Cause I know which way I would prefer to go...

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh, OK. You are killing it too but you aren't cuz it's going into a "coma". Uh huh. You don't ever eat fresh lobster?
Well do you think there is a difference between a person being lit on fire while alive and a person going into a coma and then dying?! Cause I know which way I would prefer to go...

Obviously we should not needlessly torture animals. Nobody here is advocating that in any way.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

However, just as DEAD either way.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

Aren't you getting full, yet? You've been eating an awful lot of popcorn lately.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

The last circus I went to actually had very few animals. However, many people don't like the circus and that's their prerogative. I would never hold that against them. It's not like caring more about animals than entertainment is a bad thing.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Mellow Momma wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh, OK. You are killing it too but you aren't cuz it's going into a "coma". Uh huh. You don't ever eat fresh lobster?
Well do you think there is a difference between a person being lit on fire while alive and a person going into a coma and then dying?! Cause I know which way I would prefer to go...

Don't ever ask me how DH1 died.

flan

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

I have never been to a circus with animals, and never want to.
I read Water for Elephants, and that had some graphic accounts of animal cruelty, and I doubt it even touched the surface of the truth

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
A living creature is set on FIRE while it's ALIVE...

flan
We boil lobsters dont we?

ACtually, all the cooking shows I watch lately show you how to quickly and humanely kill them first.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

And for the record - if people can't handle a few declines on birthday party invites - they really shouldn't have parties. Not everyone will attend, for whatever reason.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
And for the record - if people can't handle a few declines on birthday party invites - they really shouldn't have parties. Not everyone will attend, for whatever reason.

At least they had the good manners to RSVP.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There is nothing wrong with not going. RSVP. Sorry we cannot attend. Period. You don't have to go to any party if you don't want too. But, that isnt a license then to lecture and moralize at other adults. If you don't like the circus, don't go. That's your "vote" so to speak.
I haven't seen any circuses advertised in years. I am not a fan of zoos or circuses or any of that. I feel sorry for caged animals. However, I do think that there is nothing wrong with using animals for food, service, work, etc. And, i think zoos are a good thing that helps educate people.

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
sweet tooth wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I really want to go to a bull fight someday.

Of course you do!
Maybe you could go to the Toro del Fuego, where they set live bulls on fire, for a nightcap. Bring the kids!

This is sick and insane. And Lily, I do not believe you are ok with this if you saw it in real life. Very few people really find this acceptable.
I was pulling Weltz's strings.
I said in my first post I don't want animals abused.

Your first post said how much you LOVE Barnum & Bailey, which is one of the WORST abusers of animals.

huskerbb · Guru

Never been to Barnum and Bailey. They don't come to the Midwest. I'll bet it's really good, though.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

lilyofcourse wrote:
I loved the circus.

My kids loved the circus.

Barnum and Bailey puts on the best circuses.

We love zoos, rodeos, Sea World, Busch Gardens, aquariums and petting zoos.

They all have a place in teaching kids about animals. Creating a love of animals.

We never would have seen a dolphin, whale, lion elephant or any of the other animals of the world without those places and events.

No. Animals should not be abused.

But there is nothing wrong with training an animal to do tricks and putting on shows.

So glad my kids got to be kids.

There. In my first post on this subject.

And yes. I loved the circus.

Lindley · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
sweet tooth wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I really want to go to a bull fight someday.

Of course you do!
Maybe you could go to the Toro del Fuego, where they set live bulls on fire, for a nightcap. Bring the kids!

This is sick and insane. And Lily, I do not believe you are ok with this if you saw it in real life. Very few people really find this acceptable.
I was pulling Weltz's strings.
I said in my first post I don't want animals abused.

Your first post said how much you LOVE Barnum & Bailey, which is one of the WORST abusers of animals.

To be fair not everyone knows how they treat their animals. You would think that B&B should treat their animals well. If not just for humane reasons but to take good care of the animals and is part of their living.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

huskerbb wrote:
Never been to Barnum and Bailey. They don't come to the Midwest. I'll bet it's really good, though.

Oh it was! I was about 9 when we went.

So much to see. Animals, acrobats, clowns.

It filled every sense.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lindley wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
sweet tooth wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I really want to go to a bull fight someday.

Of course you do!
Maybe you could go to the Toro del Fuego, where they set live bulls on fire, for a nightcap. Bring the kids!

This is sick and insane. And Lily, I do not believe you are ok with this if you saw it in real life. Very few people really find this acceptable.
I was pulling Weltz's strings.
I said in my first post I don't want animals abused.

Your first post said how much you LOVE Barnum & Bailey, which is one of the WORST abusers of animals.

To be fair not everyone knows how they treat their animals. You would think that B&B should treat their animals well. If not just for humane reasons but to take good care of the animals and is part of their living.

You would THINK...but apparently living creatures are a dime a dozen.

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I loved the circus.

My kids loved the circus.

Barnum and Bailey puts on the best circuses.

We love zoos, rodeos, Sea World, Busch Gardens, aquariums and petting zoos.

They all have a place in teaching kids about animals. Creating a love of animals.

We never would have seen a dolphin, whale, lion elephant or any of the other animals of the world without those places and events.

No. Animals should not be abused.

But there is nothing wrong with training an animal to do tricks and putting on shows.

So glad my kids got to be kids.

There. In my first post on this subject.
And yes. I loved the circus.

Yes, you said animals shouldn't be abused, but you love B&B, which abuses animals

weltschmerz · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I have never been to a circus with animals, and never want to.
I read Water for Elephants, and that had some graphic accounts of animal cruelty, and I doubt it even touched the surface of the truth

I couldn't read that book. I can't handle anything like that.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I loved the circus.

My kids loved the circus.

Barnum and Bailey puts on the best circuses.

We love zoos, rodeos, Sea World, Busch Gardens, aquariums and petting zoos.

They all have a place in teaching kids about animals. Creating a love of animals.

We never would have seen a dolphin, whale, lion elephant or any of the other animals of the world without those places and events.

No. Animals should not be abused.

But there is nothing wrong with training an animal to do tricks and putting on shows.

So glad my kids got to be kids.

There. In my first post on this subject.
And yes. I loved the circus.

Yes, you said animals shouldn't be abused, but you love B&B, which abuses animals

According to your definition--which is BS.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I loved the circus.

My kids loved the circus.

Barnum and Bailey puts on the best circuses.

We love zoos, rodeos, Sea World, Busch Gardens, aquariums and petting zoos.

They all have a place in teaching kids about animals. Creating a love of animals.

We never would have seen a dolphin, whale, lion elephant or any of the other animals of the world without those places and events.

No. Animals should not be abused.

But there is nothing wrong with training an animal to do tricks and putting on shows.

So glad my kids got to be kids.

There. In my first post on this subject.
And yes. I loved the circus.

Yes, you said animals shouldn't be abused, but you love B&B, which abuses animals

You can't read.

weltschmerz · Guru

I try to be a conscientious shopper, whether I'm buying food or tickets for entertainment. If it uses palm oil, I don't buy it.
If it uses child slave labour, like most chocolate, I don't buy it. If it abuses animals, I don't buy it.
Will it make even a lick of difference? Probably not, but I have to stand by what I believe in.
Before I went to Cavalia, I researched it. Those horses are pampered beyond belief, aren't worked very hard, and have lots of free time to run around in, instead of being chained up.
When I went to the show, it was clear that those horses are loved. I saw the workers bacstage, kissing them and the horses were nuzzling back.
The Lipizzaner Stallion show? Those horses are spoiled rotten, have daily massages, and the best food money can buy. They're not caged up and are eager to perform. The can't wait for their turn to strut their stuff in front of an audience.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

weltschmerz wrote:
I try to be a conscientious shopper, whether I'm buying food or tickets for entertainment. If it uses palm oil, I don't buy it.
If it uses child slave labour, like most chocolate, I don't buy it. If it abuses animals, I don't buy it.
Will it make even a lick of difference? Probably not, but I have to stand by what I believe in.
Before I went to Cavalia, I researched it. Those horses are pampered beyond belief, aren't worked very hard, and have lots of free time to run around in, instead of being chained up.
When I went to the show, it was clear that those horses are loved. I saw the workers bacstage, kissing them and the horses were nuzzling back.
The Lipizzaner Stallion show? Those horses are spoiled rotten, have daily massages, and the best food money can buy. They're not caged up and are eager to perform. The can't wait for their turn to strut their stuff in front of an audience.

Brava! I wish more people felt the same way.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I loved the circus.

My kids loved the circus.

Barnum and Bailey puts on the best circuses.

We love zoos, rodeos, Sea World, Busch Gardens, aquariums and petting zoos.

They all have a place in teaching kids about animals. Creating a love of animals.

We never would have seen a dolphin, whale, lion elephant or any of the other animals of the world without those places and events.

No. Animals should not be abused.

But there is nothing wrong with training an animal to do tricks and putting on shows.

So glad my kids got to be kids.

There. In my first post on this subject.
And yes. I loved the circus.

Yes, you said animals shouldn't be abused, but you love B&B, which abuses animals
According to your definition--which is BS.

What's YOUR definition of abuse? welts was spot on.

flan