DD was a flower girl. Twice. Each time, from the day after the bride her until about 3 months AFTER the wedding, it was all she talked about. About her dress. About how she carried the flowers. She practiced walking down the aisle. It was non stop. So yes, devastated and crying her eyes out...makes sense to me.
The SIL is a total b!tch.
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And I probably would let her know she had hurt my child's feelings.
But this is also a moment to teach by example.
Yes. The little girl is hurt. But this is a chance to teach graciousness and how to deal with disappointment.
While I would find a chance to talk to BTB in private, I would also talk to my daughter about it.
Hopefully, anyway.
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I have a hard time believing they actually asked her and then rescinded.
I think it's more likely it was mentioned as a possibility and mom ran with it.
That said, let's assume it is exactly the way mom says. I wouldn't bet on an apology.
What is the end goal here, then? To boycott the wedding? A wedding the kid will barely remember? She can still get a nice dress and do all that stuff.
While hurtful if that is the way it went down, I think you have to let this one go. Just be more careful how you deal with that new inlaw in the future.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
Exactly. And it is her husbands sister, but it's also his child too, he is probably mad about the whole thing as well.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
It wasn't a nice thing to do. But being "heartbroken, devastated, crying hysterically" or whatever seems silly to me. I mean, by all means, carry on with the hissies if that is what everyone wants to do. But to me, by making this such a big deal mom is making the kid feel WORSE when most likely maybe the girl was upset but she would have been long over it by now.
As for weddings, they aren't about you. This is your husband's family, whether you like them or not. So, sometimes you do things for the sake of your husband whether you want to or not.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
WHO treats a CHILD like that?
No one I want to associate with. An ADULT should know better.
It wasn't a nice thing to do. But being "heartbroken, devastated, crying hysterically" or whatever seems silly to me. I mean, by all means, carry on with the hissies if that is what everyone wants to do. But to me, by making this such a big deal mom is making the kid feel WORSE when most likely maybe the girl was upset but she would have been long over it by now. As for weddings, they aren't about you. This is your husband's family, whether you like them or not. So, sometimes you do things for the sake of your husband whether you want to or not.
Gaga - I am never going to agree that family gets to treat you like **** and get away with it because they are "family". Family is supposed to treat you better. If they don't, they are not worth my time. I'm sure the husband is capable of driving and he if wants to go he can. However, you leave your family and join with your spouse - not the spouse joins with the family. Your family is the one you make.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
OMG. She didn't beat her. Most likely she was just blabbling about her wedding and she probably suggested it, didn't confirm it and mom ran with it. It isn't like she told her the day of the wedding, Oh know we didn't mean you. Wow. People are allowed to change their minds. Yes, she should have had more care and consideration about this. Or maybe the SIL is just a jerk, who knows?
Some children are more sensitive than others. Maybe this little girl is obsessed with princesses, and when she finally gets her chance to be a princess, it gets taken away from her, because sometimes adults suck.
I would buy her a fancy dress & have a party for her & a few friends.
OMG. She didn't beat her. Most likely she was just blabbling about her wedding and she probably suggested it, didn't confirm it and mom ran with it. It isn't like she told her the day of the wedding, Oh know we didn't mean you. Wow. People are allowed to change their minds. Yes, she should have had more care and consideration about this. Or maybe the SIL is just a jerk, who knows?
AGain - that is not what it says. You can try to rationalize that all day long, but it flat out says she asked. You wouldn't do that to an adult if you were asking them to be in a wedding party and you damn sure shouldn't do it to a child.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
OMG. She didn't beat her. Most likely she was just blabbling about her wedding and she probably suggested it, didn't confirm it and mom ran with it. It isn't like she told her the day of the wedding, Oh know we didn't mean you. Wow. People are allowed to change their minds. Yes, she should have had more care and consideration about this. Or maybe the SIL is just a jerk, who knows?
AGain - that is not what it says. You can try to rationalize that all day long, but it flat out says she asked. You wouldn't do that to an adult if you were asking them to be in a wedding party and you damn sure shouldn't do it to a child.
I didn't rationalize. I said that was inconsiderate, rude, etc. But, that doesnt' mean I have to tear off my clothes and scream and cry and smash the TV. This is a good opportunity to teach your kid about disappointments in life. And, even 4 years can understand that circumstances change and now instead of doing this, we are doing that. I think you are all making this a heck of a lot harder than it needs to be and the person whom is paying the price if mom goes on some rampage is the girl. So, there are times i am upset as parent, but I realize that I am not helping my child by acting out only I FEEL.
OMG. She didn't beat her. Most likely she was just blabbling about her wedding and she probably suggested it, didn't confirm it and mom ran with it. It isn't like she told her the day of the wedding, Oh know we didn't mean you. Wow. People are allowed to change their minds. Yes, she should have had more care and consideration about this. Or maybe the SIL is just a jerk, who knows?
AGain - that is not what it says. You can try to rationalize that all day long, but it flat out says she asked. You wouldn't do that to an adult if you were asking them to be in a wedding party and you damn sure shouldn't do it to a child.
I didn't rationalize. I said that was inconsiderate, rude, etc. But, that doesnt' mean I have to tear off my clothes and scream and cry and smash the TV. This is a good opportunity to teach your kid about disappointments in life. And, even 4 years can understand that circumstances change and now instead of doing this, we are doing that. I think you are all making this a heck of a lot harder than it needs to be and the person whom is paying the price if mom goes on some rampage is the girl. So, there are times i am upset as parent, but I realize that I am not helping my child by acting out only I FEEL.
So, let me get this straight, now that you know SIL is an arsehole, you are still mad that your dd can't be the flower girl in the wedding of an arsehole you don't want to be around anyway? Makes perfect sense!
And I don't doubt one bit that the little girl is terribly upset.
I remember being in my uncle's wedding at about that age. I remember the dress and the little basket.
At 4, all this little girl is thinking is, I was gonna do it.
She might even feel like someone is mad at her or that she did something wrong.
Of course how mom handles it is very important and this is absolutely a teaching moment.
But this child probably is very hurt by this.
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OMG. She didn't beat her. Most likely she was just blabbling about her wedding and she probably suggested it, didn't confirm it and mom ran with it. It isn't like she told her the day of the wedding, Oh know we didn't mean you. Wow. People are allowed to change their minds. Yes, she should have had more care and consideration about this. Or maybe the SIL is just a jerk, who knows?
AGain - that is not what it says. You can try to rationalize that all day long, but it flat out says she asked. You wouldn't do that to an adult if you were asking them to be in a wedding party and you damn sure shouldn't do it to a child.
I didn't rationalize. I said that was inconsiderate, rude, etc. But, that doesnt' mean I have to tear off my clothes and scream and cry and smash the TV. This is a good opportunity to teach your kid about disappointments in life. And, even 4 years can understand that circumstances change and now instead of doing this, we are doing that. I think you are all making this a heck of a lot harder than it needs to be and the person whom is paying the price if mom goes on some rampage is the girl. So, there are times i am upset as parent, but I realize that I am not helping my child by acting out only I FEEL.
First off - it's not an either/or situation, and your "tear my clothes off" thing is a bit much. Of course, she is now going to have to teach her kid about disappointments in life. And she doesn't have to do anything other than check the little "will not be attending" box on the RSVP and send it back in relation to the wedding. It's not like she has to be there. You know what another disappointment is that people need to deal with? That not everyone you invite will attend your wedding.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
So, let me get this straight, now that you know SIL is an arsehole, you are still mad that your dd can't be the flower girl in the wedding of an arsehole you don't want to be around anyway? Makes perfect sense!
Damn straight.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
And that's an idiotic characterization and attitude. You would tear apart your husbands family--and likely risk tearing apart your own--because you are miffed over something silly.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
And that's an idiotic characterization and attitude. You would tear apart your husbands family--and likely risk tearing apart your own--because you are miffed over something silly.
Why? Obviously, if this is "no big deal" and people need to just accept disappointment and get over it - then the same exact thing can be said of them. They can accept the disappointment that we won't attend, and they can get over our absense. HER behavior caused this mess. She broke the heart of a child and the consequences of that are her own problem.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I don't get how people can be so mean to children. Had she never asked her to be flower girl, then okay. But she did. Then reneged, without even notifying her. I would be boycotting the wedding and letting the bride know why. Something a long the lines of, "Attending your wedding would be putting salt in my little girl's wound, since she had so been looking forward to being included in the festivities. I refuse to put her through more disappointment, particularly from a family member. Instead, I will be taking her out for a fancy tea so she can wear a fancy dress and feel special. Hopefully that will distract her from her current disappointment and give her something else to look forward to. I hope your wedding day is all that you desire."
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I don't get how people can be so mean to children. Had she never asked her to be flower girl, then okay. But she did. Then reneged, without even notifying her. I would be boycotting the wedding and letting the bride know why. Something a long the lines of, "Attending your wedding would be putting salt in my little girl's wound, since she had so been looking forward to being included in the festivities. I refuse to put her through more disappointment, particularly from a family member. Instead, I will be taking her out for a fancy tea so she can wear a fancy dress and feel special. Hopefully that will distract her from her current disappointment and give her something else to look forward to. I hope your wedding day is all that you desire."
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Yes. Exactly.
You don't get to be the irresponsible bitch and then blame others for the fallout. The bride is the one to blame for this mess, no one else.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I don't get how people can be so mean to children. Had she never asked her to be flower girl, then okay. But she did. Then reneged, without even notifying her. I would be boycotting the wedding and letting the bride know why. Something a long the lines of, "Attending your wedding would be putting salt in my little girl's wound, since she had so been looking forward to being included in the festivities. I refuse to put her through more disappointment, particularly from a family member. Instead, I will be taking her out for a fancy tea so she can wear a fancy dress and feel special. Hopefully that will distract her from her current disappointment and give her something else to look forward to. I hope your wedding day is all that you desire."
-- Edited by FNW on Tuesday 12th of January 2016 10:32:56 AM
Yes. Exactly.
You don't get to be the irresponsible bitch and then blame others for the fallout. The bride is the one to blame for this mess, no one else.
I don't get how people can be so mean to children. Had she never asked her to be flower girl, then okay. But she did. Then reneged, without even notifying her. I would be boycotting the wedding and letting the bride know why. Something a long the lines of, "Attending your wedding would be putting salt in my little girl's wound, since she had so been looking forward to being included in the festivities. I refuse to put her through more disappointment, particularly from a family member. Instead, I will be taking her out for a fancy tea so she can wear a fancy dress and feel special. Hopefully that will distract her from her current disappointment and give her something else to look forward to. I hope your wedding day is all that you desire."
-- Edited by FNW on Tuesday 12th of January 2016 10:32:56 AM
Yes. Exactly.
You don't get to be the irresponsible bitch and then blame others for the fallout. The bride is the one to blame for this mess, no one else.
Same here. I would have had a lot to say during the phone call where the BTB told her of this change.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
And that's an idiotic characterization and attitude. You would tear apart your husbands family--and likely risk tearing apart your own--because you are miffed over something silly.
Why? Obviously, if this is "no big deal" and people need to just accept disappointment and get over it - then the same exact thing can be said of them. They can accept the disappointment that we won't attend, and they can get over our absense. HER behavior caused this mess. She broke the heart of a child and the consequences of that are her own problem.
you don't skip family weddings for no reason and expect that everyone will just get over it.
if youve ever been a part of a family you should know that.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
And that's an idiotic characterization and attitude. You would tear apart your husbands family--and likely risk tearing apart your own--because you are miffed over something silly.
Why? Obviously, if this is "no big deal" and people need to just accept disappointment and get over it - then the same exact thing can be said of them. They can accept the disappointment that we won't attend, and they can get over our absense. HER behavior caused this mess. She broke the heart of a child and the consequences of that are her own problem.
you don't skip family weddings for no reason and expect that everyone will just get over it.
if youve ever been a part of a family you should know that.
You and I differ greatly on what "no reason" means.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
And that's an idiotic characterization and attitude. You would tear apart your husbands family--and likely risk tearing apart your own--because you are miffed over something silly.
Why? Obviously, if this is "no big deal" and people need to just accept disappointment and get over it - then the same exact thing can be said of them. They can accept the disappointment that we won't attend, and they can get over our absense. HER behavior caused this mess. She broke the heart of a child and the consequences of that are her own problem.
you don't skip family weddings for no reason and expect that everyone will just get over it.
if youve ever been a part of a family you should know that.
You and I differ greatly on what "no reason" means.
It's only a big deal because you CHOOSE to make it so.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I can understand changing ones mind. Maybe some other factors came in to play and the niece was a better fit. Fair enough.
What I don't understand is why anyone, let alone an adult, would not at a minimum inform the original parties of a change. Is it awkward to say a day after asking "I know we asked your daughter yesterday, but we decided niece would be a better fit for the job." But what is really to be gained by ignoring the situation hoping it will go away, until you have no choice but to say you changed your mind? A whole lot of awkwardness, and hurt and anger in the family because the BTB couldn't be bothered to own up to her decision.
I don't think I would cut someone off over it, but they wouldn't be someone I associated with outside of family obligations either.
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What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
And that's an idiotic characterization and attitude. You would tear apart your husbands family--and likely risk tearing apart your own--because you are miffed over something silly.
Why? Obviously, if this is "no big deal" and people need to just accept disappointment and get over it - then the same exact thing can be said of them. They can accept the disappointment that we won't attend, and they can get over our absense. HER behavior caused this mess. She broke the heart of a child and the consequences of that are her own problem.
you don't skip family weddings for no reason and expect that everyone will just get over it.
if youve ever been a part of a family you should know that.
You and I differ greatly on what "no reason" means.
It's only a big deal because you CHOOSE to make it so.
Husker - I care more about my daughter's feelings and being hurt than I do some bridezilla.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
And SIL should UNDERSTAND why we would choose to do something with our daughter instead of attending her wedding. After all, she created the upset. If she doesn't UNDERSTAND, then she is the one creating further drama. I simple declining of an invitation should be acceptable.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
What a horrible thing to do to a 4yo. They asked her first & got her all excited. I don't understand why they can't both be flower girls. I'd probably want to skip the wedding too. But it's her husband's sister so I think they sort of have to go.
The only things you have to do in life are pay taxes and die. This one would be a hill to die on for me and would quite possibly ruin the relationship forever unless there was a big, over the top apology and a big making it up to my child. You can screw me over all you want, and I might possibly forgive you, but break the heart of my child and you've earned my wrath forever.
It's a STUPID hill to die on.
Nope. Some stupid, heartless selfish bitch means nothing to me. Family does not treat you like that, and if they do, they are not worth my time. I don't HAVE TO surround myself or have anything to do with people like that.
And that's an idiotic characterization and attitude. You would tear apart your husbands family--and likely risk tearing apart your own--because you are miffed over something silly.
Why? Obviously, if this is "no big deal" and people need to just accept disappointment and get over it - then the same exact thing can be said of them. They can accept the disappointment that we won't attend, and they can get over our absense. HER behavior caused this mess. She broke the heart of a child and the consequences of that are her own problem.
you don't skip family weddings for no reason and expect that everyone will just get over it.
if youve ever been a part of a family you should know that.
You and I differ greatly on what "no reason" means.
It's only a big deal because you CHOOSE to make it so.
Husker - I care more about my daughter's feelings and being hurt than I do some bridezilla.
Basing major decisions on the whims of a 4 year old is ridiculous and bizarre.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
I can understand changing ones mind. Maybe some other factors came in to play and the niece was a better fit. Fair enough.
What I don't understand is why anyone, let alone an adult, would not at a minimum inform the original parties of a change. Is it awkward to say a day after asking "I know we asked your daughter yesterday, but we decided niece would be a better fit for the job." But what is really to be gained by ignoring the situation hoping it will go away, until you have no choice but to say you changed your mind? A whole lot of awkwardness, and hurt and anger in the family because the BTB couldn't be bothered to own up to her decision.
I don't think I would cut someone off over it, but they wouldn't be someone I associated with outside of family obligations either.
Basing major decisions on the whims of a 4 year old is ridiculous and bizarre.
Why can't you understand that it is not what the 4 year old did? This is not a tantrum. The SIL did this TO her. You really let people be mean to your kids and go on as if nothing happened?
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.