If I divorced him for this which would not have happened because he would have told off anyone including his brother or sister that treated his child this badly. I'm glad he would stand up for them seeing just how much you seem to think it's ok. You be the wussy father if you want but my husband would stand up to his family.
LOL!!! He can't even stand up to a 4 year old. LOL!!!!
however, I wasn't really talking about you, specifically, and that doesn't answer the question, in general.
again, this is the EXACT same mentality as the parents of entitled brats who can do no wrong.
Versus simply being the sibling of entitled brats that you don't stand up to when they hurt your kid?
Oh hurt. Get off of it. shes only Hurt because mom is mad.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
No, the most messed up kids are the ones whose parents don't give a **** when people do them wrong.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
No, the most messed up kids are the ones whose parents don't give a **** when people do them wrong.
Well apparently you can't see the difference between our approaches so you keep having to say we "don't care about our kids, blah, blah".
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
No, the most messed up kids are the ones whose parents don't give a **** when people do them wrong.
Well apparently you can't see the difference between our approaches so you keep having to say we "don't care about our kids, blah, blah".
As apposed to saying we raise our kids to be victims and not handle disappointment? How hypocritical of you.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
Exactly.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
No, the most messed up kids are the ones whose parents don't give a **** when people do them wrong.
Do them "wrong"? this is NOTHING.
What are you going to do when they don't get into the college they want? Demand an apology from the president? Arrange a meeting with their boss if they get fired?
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
No, the most messed up kids are the ones whose parents don't give a **** when people do them wrong.
Do them "wrong"? this is NOTHING.
What are you going to do when they don't get into the college they want? Demand an apology from the president? Arrange a meeting with their boss if they get fired?
I hate to tell you but there's a rather huge difference between a 4-year-old and an 18-year-old.
If you don't stand up for your child when they've been wronged, what message does that send? Yes, adults suck sometimes, but at least show the SIL that her actions have consequences.
I would be the one on the phone telling them, "well I am not breaking the news to her... Here, you talk to her and tell her. Suzie, come to the phone! Aunt prissy wants to talk to you about her wedding!"
The most anxious and messed up kids are the ones who's mothers can't let things go and keep bring all of the hurts to the forefront of life. I don't raise my kids to be victims. Some people aren't nice. So, you can agonize over 'OMG i am so hurt i can't be the flower girl" or you can just say "oh you can't be the flower girl, let's go do something else". For the most part it is the MOMS of these kids who nurse all of those wounds back to life over and over.
No, the most messed up kids are the ones whose parents don't give a **** when people do them wrong.
Do them "wrong"? this is NOTHING.
What are you going to do when they don't get into the college they want? Demand an apology from the president? Arrange a meeting with their boss if they get fired?
Husker, if they don't get into the college they want, it will be because they did not qualify to do so - they didn't earn it. THIS debacle had nothing to do with the child, it wasn't her fault, her responsibility, or the consequences of her actions. So, do not try to compare a lack of accomplishments with just being treated as if you don't matter.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If the bride "wasn't sure" who she wanted she should have kept her big fat mouth shut till she decided. If she changed her mind she should have let the mom know asap. SIL sounds like an inconsiderate bitch. Not someone I'd want to hang around with.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
If the bride "wasn't sure" who she wanted she should have kept her big fat mouth shut till she decided. If she changed her mind she should have let the mom know asap. SIL sounds like an inconsiderate bitch. Not someone I'd want to hang around with.
And I can't BELIEVE this child's grandmother went along with this. WTH? That family is f'ed up.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If the bride "wasn't sure" who she wanted she should have kept her big fat mouth shut till she decided. If she changed her mind she should have let the mom know asap. SIL sounds like an inconsiderate bitch. Not someone I'd want to hang around with.
And I can't BELIEVE this child's grandmother went along with this. WTH? That family is f'ed up.
Exactly. I read this to my DH and he said that this would be a HUGE deal. He said he'd have to step in.
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“You may shoot me with your words, you may cut me with your eyes, you may kill me with your hatefulness, but still, like air, I'll rise!” ― Maya Angelou
I'm not inviting certain people to mom and dad's thing because their kids are brats.
And the one that I have to invite might get his butt popped if his mom and dad don't watch him.
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Husker you seem to think that it being a HUGE disappointment and a crushing blow to the little girl and teaching the child that sometimes people suck are mutually exclusive. They aren't. Clearly, you would have to try and convey that message to the child. That doesn't mean that I relish the opportunity to do it and welcome my family to treat my child like dirt just so I get the opportunity to teach the lesson.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
Yes. It would have been a crushing blow if someone told my DD after months of her practicing and talking non stop about the wedding she was going to be in that she couldn't be in it. She talked about it for a solid year. She didn't shut up about it for at least 6 months after the wedding.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
Yes. It would have been a crushing blow if someone told my DD after months of her practicing and talking non stop about the wedding she was going to be in that she couldn't be in it. She talked about it for a solid year. She didn't shut up about it for at least 6 months after the wedding.
You are adding personal details to this situation that are not there. There would be a big difference in the above scenario of months of practice versus what happened here. There is no indication of any of that at all other than a brief converasation about it and then she changed her mind. Not the same situation as "months of practice".
Yes. It would have been a crushing blow if someone told my DD after months of her practicing and talking non stop about the wedding she was going to be in that she couldn't be in it. She talked about it for a solid year. She didn't shut up about it for at least 6 months after the wedding.
You are adding personal details to this situation that are not there. There would be a big difference in the above scenario of months of practice versus what happened here. There is no indication of any of that at all other than a brief converasation about it and then she changed her mind. Not the same situation as "months of practice".
She said she was devastated. That should be enough for you, but you don't want to admit that you could be wrong.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious!
flan
Well, when in doubt go in at someone personally. Not sure what talking about basketball has to do with anything. And, btw, if we missed a basketball game, then we miss a game. That is disappointing it isn't DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING is grandma dying on Christmas Eve. That's devastating. This stuff, no.
Yes. It would have been a crushing blow if someone told my DD after months of her practicing and talking non stop about the wedding she was going to be in that she couldn't be in it. She talked about it for a solid year. She didn't shut up about it for at least 6 months after the wedding.
You are adding personal details to this situation that are not there. There would be a big difference in the above scenario of months of practice versus what happened here. There is no indication of any of that at all other than a brief converasation about it and then she changed her mind. Not the same situation as "months of practice".
She said she was devastated. That should be enough for you, but you don't want to admit that you could be wrong.
I would teach my child the DIFFERENCE between life's disappointments, like you didn't make the team or you can't go to the sleepover or you got a C on a test instead of an A versus grandma dying on Christmas Eve, etc.
Then you all went right at Husker. Oh, well you don't have a daughter! You were never a little girl! Wait till you granddaughter is older, blah, blah as if he is not allowed to have an opinion that disagrees with any of yours!
Then you all went right at Husker. Oh, well you don't have a daughter! You were never a little girl! Wait till you granddaughter is older, blah, blah as if he is not allowed to have an opinion that disagrees with any of yours!
He's been posting on message boards for years & has no problem stating his opinion. The problem is that he believes his opinions are FACTS.
Then you all went right at Husker. Oh, well you don't have a daughter! You were never a little girl! Wait till you granddaughter is older, blah, blah as if he is not allowed to have an opinion that disagrees with any of yours!
He's been posting on message boards for years & has no problem stating his opinion. The problem is that he believes his opinions are FACTS.
flan
Well, that could be, lol. We are ALL pretty opinionated and stubborn!
Yes. It would have been a crushing blow if someone told my DD after months of her practicing and talking non stop about the wedding she was going to be in that she couldn't be in it. She talked about it for a solid year. She didn't shut up about it for at least 6 months after the wedding.
You are adding personal details to this situation that are not there. There would be a big difference in the above scenario of months of practice versus what happened here. There is no indication of any of that at all other than a brief converasation about it and then she changed her mind. Not the same situation as "months of practice".
She said she was devastated. That should be enough for you, but you don't want to admit that you could be wrong.
I would teach my child the DIFFERENCE between life's disappointments, like you didn't make the team or you can't go to the sleepover or you got a C on a test instead of an A versus grandma dying on Christmas Eve, etc.
Examples 1 and 3 are the result of the child's actions.
Number 2 may or may not be. Was she invited, then the invitation got revoked?
What this little flower-girl wannabe has learned is that grownups, even FAMILY, can't be trusted. That is WHY most of us are upset.
Look, if she had practiced for MONTHS and then SIL flaked and changed her mind, then that is a different scenario in my opinion. But, that isn't what happened here. If she had done that after practicing and so forth, then yes, that would really cross the line. Changing her mind at this point, not so much/.
Then you all went right at Husker. Oh, well you don't have a daughter! You were never a little girl! Wait till you granddaughter is older, blah, blah as if he is not allowed to have an opinion that disagrees with any of yours!
He's been posting on message boards for years & has no problem stating his opinion. The problem is that he believes his opinions are FACTS.
flan
There is no "fact" to how this should be handled. This is completely a personal opinion so not sure how that applies here.
Look, if she had practiced for MONTHS and then SIL flaked and changed her mind, then that is a different scenario in my opinion. But, that isn't what happened here. If she had done that after practicing and so forth, then yes, that would really cross the line. Changing her mind at this point, not so much/.
You absolutely do not know that. You are making up your own "facts" to fit the opinion you want to have.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Look, if she had practiced for MONTHS and then SIL flaked and changed her mind, then that is a different scenario in my opinion. But, that isn't what happened here. If she had done that after practicing and so forth, then yes, that would really cross the line. Changing her mind at this point, not so much/.
You absolutely do not know that. You are making up your own "facts" to fit the opinion you want to have.
I didn't add any "facts'. I am not the one saying "months of practice". We don't know. Neither do you know.
Look, if she had practiced for MONTHS and then SIL flaked and changed her mind, then that is a different scenario in my opinion. But, that isn't what happened here. If she had done that after practicing and so forth, then yes, that would really cross the line. Changing her mind at this point, not so much/.
You absolutely do not know that. You are making up your own "facts" to fit the opinion you want to have.
I didn't add any "facts'. I am not the one saying "months of practice". We don't know. Neither do you know.
Based upon the letter, this occurred over time, the child was asked and was excited, and then she was devastated. You are the ones ignoring those facts.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious!
flan
Well, when in doubt go in at someone personally. Not sure what talking about basketball has to do with anything. And, btw, if we missed a basketball game, then we miss a game. That is disappointing it isn't DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING is grandma dying on Christmas Eve. That's devastating. This stuff, no.
You just proved my point. What I posted wasnt a personal attack. It was pretty factual. I don't like basketball. You do. You post about it all the time. I happen to think it's great that you have something you and your daughter bond over together - it doesn't matter that it's something that I don't like. Yet, because it is something YOU like and YOU find to be an important part of your life you feel like I went after you personally. I didn't go after you, I just chose something as an example that you cared about and it made it feel different. Because you care about it. Just like this feels different to the OP than it does to you because it's something her child cares about.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious!
flan
Well, when in doubt go in at someone personally. Not sure what talking about basketball has to do with anything. And, btw, if we missed a basketball game, then we miss a game. That is disappointing it isn't DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING is grandma dying on Christmas Eve. That's devastating. This stuff, no.
You just proved my point. What I posted wasnt a personal attack. It was pretty factual. I don't like basketball. You do. You post about it all the time. I happen to think it's great that you have something you and your daughter bond over together - it doesn't matter that it's something that I don't like. Yet, because it is something YOU like and YOU find to be an important part of your life you feel like I went after you personally. I didn't go after you, I just chose something as an example that you cared about and it made it feel different. Because you care about it. Just like this feels different to the OP than it does to you because it's something her child cares about.
So what's your point? I wouldn't find it DEVASTATING and HEARTBREAKING and earth shattering if a basketball game got cancelled. So, your analogy doesn't work.
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious!
flan
Well, when in doubt go in at someone personally. Not sure what talking about basketball has to do with anything. And, btw, if we missed a basketball game, then we miss a game. That is disappointing it isn't DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING is grandma dying on Christmas Eve. That's devastating. This stuff, no.
You just proved my point. What I posted wasnt a personal attack. It was pretty factual. I don't like basketball. You do. You post about it all the time. I happen to think it's great that you have something you and your daughter bond over together - it doesn't matter that it's something that I don't like. Yet, because it is something YOU like and YOU find to be an important part of your life you feel like I went after you personally. I didn't go after you, I just chose something as an example that you cared about and it made it feel different. Because you care about it. Just like this feels different to the OP than it does to you because it's something her child cares about.
So what's your point? I wouldn't find it DEVASTATING and HEARTBREAKING and earth shattering if a basketball game got cancelled. So, your analogy doesn't work.
The wedding didn't get cancelled. The child was excluded after being asked to be in it. How would you feel if your daughter was kicked off the basketball team for no reason so someone else could take her place?
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious!
flan
Well, when in doubt go in at someone personally. Not sure what talking about basketball has to do with anything. And, btw, if we missed a basketball game, then we miss a game. That is disappointing it isn't DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING is grandma dying on Christmas Eve. That's devastating. This stuff, no.
You just proved my point. What I posted wasnt a personal attack. It was pretty factual. I don't like basketball. You do. You post about it all the time. I happen to think it's great that you have something you and your daughter bond over together - it doesn't matter that it's something that I don't like. Yet, because it is something YOU like and YOU find to be an important part of your life you feel like I went after you personally. I didn't go after you, I just chose something as an example that you cared about and it made it feel different. Because you care about it. Just like this feels different to the OP than it does to you because it's something her child cares about.
So what's your point? I wouldn't find it DEVASTATING and HEARTBREAKING and earth shattering if a basketball game got cancelled. So, your analogy doesn't work.
The wedding didn't get cancelled. The child was excluded after being asked to be in it. How would you feel if your daughter was kicked off the basketball team for no reason so someone else could take her place?
You don't think there isn't drama with teens? Lol. We are also taking about a FOUR Year old here, hello. If my FOUR year old didnt make the Basketball team, i don't think i would be falling down in hysterics.
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious!
flan
Well, when in doubt go in at someone personally. Not sure what talking about basketball has to do with anything. And, btw, if we missed a basketball game, then we miss a game. That is disappointing it isn't DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING is grandma dying on Christmas Eve. That's devastating. This stuff, no.
You just proved my point. What I posted wasnt a personal attack. It was pretty factual. I don't like basketball. You do. You post about it all the time. I happen to think it's great that you have something you and your daughter bond over together - it doesn't matter that it's something that I don't like. Yet, because it is something YOU like and YOU find to be an important part of your life you feel like I went after you personally. I didn't go after you, I just chose something as an example that you cared about and it made it feel different. Because you care about it. Just like this feels different to the OP than it does to you because it's something her child cares about.
So what's your point? I wouldn't find it DEVASTATING and HEARTBREAKING and earth shattering if a basketball game got cancelled. So, your analogy doesn't work.
The wedding didn't get cancelled. The child was excluded after being asked to be in it. How would you feel if your daughter was kicked off the basketball team for no reason so someone else could take her place?
You don't think there isn't drama with teens? Lol. We are also taking about a FOUR Year old here, hello. If my FOUR year old didnt make the Basketball team, i don't think i would be falling down in hysterics.
That is not what I asked you. I asked you how you would feel if your daughter was kicked off the basketball team for no reason so someone else could take her place.
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Just because it isn't a big deal to you doesn't mean it wouldn't be to someone else. I happen to hate basketball and I can't watch a game on TV or live. But it's important to you and you talk about it all the time. Same thing with the wedding.
Thank you for pointing out the obvious!
flan
Well, when in doubt go in at someone personally. Not sure what talking about basketball has to do with anything. And, btw, if we missed a basketball game, then we miss a game. That is disappointing it isn't DEVASTATING. DEVASTATING is grandma dying on Christmas Eve. That's devastating. This stuff, no.
You just proved my point. What I posted wasnt a personal attack. It was pretty factual. I don't like basketball. You do. You post about it all the time. I happen to think it's great that you have something you and your daughter bond over together - it doesn't matter that it's something that I don't like. Yet, because it is something YOU like and YOU find to be an important part of your life you feel like I went after you personally. I didn't go after you, I just chose something as an example that you cared about and it made it feel different. Because you care about it. Just like this feels different to the OP than it does to you because it's something her child cares about.
So what's your point? I wouldn't find it DEVASTATING and HEARTBREAKING and earth shattering if a basketball game got cancelled. So, your analogy doesn't work.
The wedding didn't get cancelled. The child was excluded after being asked to be in it. How would you feel if your daughter was kicked off the basketball team for no reason so someone else could take her place?
You don't think there isn't drama with teens? Lol. We are also taking about a FOUR Year old here, hello. If my FOUR year old didnt make the Basketball team, i don't think i would be falling down in hysterics.
That is not what I asked you. I asked you how you would feel if your daughter was kicked off the basketball team for no reason so someone else could take her place.
I answered you. If she was kicked off the team at age FOUR, then I don't think i would be losing any sleep over it.
But, if she got kicked off her team now, I would go find her an AAU travel team to play on. Their loss.
I do not believe for a second you would not be upset and pitching a fit if your kid got booted off the basketball team for no reason.
Is there something you cannot understand about age FOUR? That one's developmental age play in role in responding to life? But, I gave you my answer but now you are going to tell me my answer doesnt' count.
But, if she got kicked off her team now, I would go find her an AAU travel team to play on. Their loss.
I do not believe for a second you would not be upset and pitching a fit if your kid got booted off the basketball team for no reason.
Is there something you cannot understand about age FOUR? That one's developmental age play in role in responding to life? But, I gave you my answer but now you are going to tell me my answer doesnt' count.
And I asked you at what age people's feelings start to matter? At what age does it stop being ok to be mean to kids, and treat them like they are people?
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LawyerLady
I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.