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Dear Powerball Winner: Take Our Advice and Take the Annuity

So let us suppose, reader, that you have won Wednesday’s $1.5 billion Powerball jackpot. Congratulations! You have some important decisions to make, such as what ailing magazine to acquire and what congressional seat your spouse should run for. But first, you must choose whether to take the prize as an annuity paid over 30 years, or a lump-sum payment right now.

If I’m reading you right, you should probably take the annuity.

First, some background: You might not realize this, but the top prize in the $1.5 billion Powerball is not actually $1.5 billion. (Nor is it $999 million, as many of the three-digit-readout lottery signs around the country say it is.) If you take the prize as a one-time cash payment, you will get a mere $930 million, before taxes.

If you want $1.5 billion, you’ll have to take it in installments over the next 30 years. That’s a long time, and so most people take the cash, according to Kelly Cripe, a Powerball spokeswoman. But I think most of them are making a mistake, for the following reasons.

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Actually, it’s either $1.5 billion (which the sign cannot accommodate) or $930 million, depending on how you choose to take your winnings. Credit Seth Wenig/Associated Press

First, while people associate the term “annuity” with payment streams that end when you die, the Powerball prize is actually what actuaries call an annuity certain: a stream of annual payments, every year from now until 2045, regardless of what happens to you. If you die before 2045, the future payments become part of your estate, like any other asset.

Second, there are big tax advantages to the annuity. The main one is that taking the annuity is basically like letting the government hold onto part of your prize for a while and invest it for you — and the government does not pay tax on investment income. Of course, once you get the annuity checks, you’ll have to pay income tax on them. But if you take the lump-sum cash prize, you’ll pay tax twice: on the prize when you win it, and on the income you get by investing it.

This adds up. If you invested all your prize money in the same way Powerball does (essentially by putting it in government bonds), you’d end up with 20 percent more cash in 2045 if you took the annuity option rather than the cash option, thanks to the tax savings. You could shave that difference by picking a different investment strategy with better tax management, but you’ll never beat the effective tax rate of zero on the investment income earned inside the Powerball annuity.

Taxes aside, you’ll probably quibble with the pretax rate of return on the Powerball annuity. Effectively, it’s like investing in bonds that pay 2.843 percent interest. But that’s actually a good deal for an ultrasafe investment in today’s ultralow interest rate environment, said Allison Schrager, a financial economist with expertise in annuities.

Ms. Schrager noted that you’d pay big fees to an insurance company to build the same investment that Powerball is offering you, and because of those fees your effective interest rate would be even lower than 2.843 percent. As annuities go, this one is structured very favorably.

But what if you don’t want an ultrasafe investment? I don’t know all about your risk preferences, but I do know you buy lottery tickets. So maybe you’d prefer to take the cash option and gamble in the stock market for a higher average return. Or maybe you have a brilliant business idea ready to go and all you’ve been waiting for is the several hundred million dollars in investment capital you need to make it happen. Or maybe you want to buy the biggest house in the Hamptons, and the $22.6 million first-year annuity payment isn’t big enough to do that. If you want to go any of those routes, you’ll have to take the cash option.

But this leads us to the biggest advantage of the annuity: protecting you from yourself.

Again, I don’t know all about you, but I do know you buy lottery tickets, so let’s consider the possibility that you are not one of your generation’s great financial minds. We all know the stories of people who win huge fortunes in the lottery and then lose them. The great thing about the annuity is, no matter what stupid choices you make this year, you’ll have an enormous check waiting for you next year — all the way until 2045.

The big advantage of the cash prize is flexibility, but let’s not underrate the value of the annuity’s inflexibility. Your Powerball win is likely to bring a lot of long-lost friends and relatives out of the woodwork with stories about why they need money. Being able to tell them that this year’s check is only for $22.6 million, and that’s really not very much after taxes and the new mansion and the summer house and the cars and the boats and the new political magazine, will help you conserve your fortune.

As a Powerball winner, you’ve already done way better than you could reasonably have expected with your investment strategy. Don’t press your luck. Take the annuity.



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Heck, I've got to buy a ticket first.

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Domestic Engineer wrote:

Heck, I've got to buy a ticket first.


Get to a store, for goodness sake!

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I saw that. I wonder though what happens if you live in a state that does not tax the winnings and move to a state that does.

If you live in TX and take the full amount none of it is taxed by TX. If you move you have your money nothing changes. With the annuity if you move the new state could tax the annuity payment as income.

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cadiver wrote:

I saw that. I wonder though what happens if you live in a state that does not tax the winnings and move to a state that does.

If you live in TX and take the full amount none of it is taxed by TX. If you move you have your money nothing changes. With the annuity if you move the new state could tax the annuity payment as income.


In that case, I'm taking the cash!biggrin 



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And buying me lunch?


Heck Trudy, I'll buy you the restaurant!biggrin 



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I'd take the cash. No way am I living 30 years, anyway, and the cash option has plenty of money left, even after taxes.

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huskerbb wrote:

I'd take the cash. No way am I living 30 years, anyway, and the cash option has plenty of money left, even after taxes.


 if you win the full amount, that is over 22M a year after taxes.  You have it put into a trust.  The thought is it will keep stupid people from spending it all in just a few years plus all the friends and stuff that come out of the woodwork you can say "I don't have enough to give you"  that is if you have a hard time saying "NO"



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huskerbb wrote:

I'd take the cash. No way am I living 30 years, anyway, and the cash option has plenty of money left, even after taxes.


 if you win the full amount, that is over 22M a year after taxes.  You have it put into a trust.  The thought is it will keep stupid people from spending it all in just a few years plus all the friends and stuff that come out of the woodwork you can say "I don't have enough to give you"  that is if you have a hard time saying "NO"


 It's 22 million to START.  The amount goes up every year, with the 30th year payout being 80 million.  And it is a guaranteed payout, if you die, it still goes to your heirs.



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cash, thank you

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I would take the cash. I can invest my own money so i dont need govt to do it for me.

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I decided to take the cash.

I feel that with the proper investing, pewter, antique swords and cars, my money will only grow.



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I've always thought that I might take the annuity if I ever won (which I wouldn't because I don't generally buy lottery tickets). But once in a while I figure "what the heck, it's only $2. I was never sure, because I didn't really know all the details about cash vs annuity, but it always seemed like the way to go. Nice to know that you got another check coming.

I know, at my age, I probably won't live for 30 years, but I'm good with that.

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