TOTALLY GEEKED!

huskerbb · Guru

RE: Our Government Is Ruining Dishwashers

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Yep.

Been handwashing dishes since I was old enough to do the job. I think I was about 8 or 9.

All but the few years we had a dishwasher, about 8 years I guess.

And the dishes always came out with something on them.

Spots, food partcles, stains.

I usually ended up washing them all by hand anyway.

Never had anyone get sick.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, you seem to get fired up over everything. It makes it hard to take you seriously most of the time.

I'm not the one who started the thread, whining about dishwasher detergent.
The environment is a serious business for me.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them.
Problem solved!
Really? YOu don't seem to get very fired up over air travel and the gallons and gallons of fuel used to to fly people around.
EVERYONE is an environmentalist--as long as they aren't expected to do something they don't want to, or not do something they do.
There are a whole bunch of environmental nuts in California who were all about "saving" water when it was agriculture that needed it--but as soon as their lawns got shut off or they needed to cut down in other ways, all of a sudden saving water wasn't so important.

Yup. And, I have yet to EVER see her call out her EnviroHypocritical Libs. Uh huh.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, you seem to get fired up over everything. It makes it hard to take you seriously most of the time.

I'm not the one who started the thread, whining about dishwasher detergent.
The environment is a serious business for me.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them.
Problem solved!
Lilly is entitled to her opinion.

...and I'm entitled to mine, without her whining that I get "fired up".

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, you seem to get fired up over everything. It makes it hard to take you seriously most of the time.

I'm not the one who started the thread, whining about dishwasher detergent.
The environment is a serious business for me.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them.
Problem solved!
Lilly is entitled to her opinion.
...and I'm entitled to mine, without her whining that I get "fired up".

Hahaha.....

just Czech · Give Me Grand's!

Let's see... hmmm...... dishwasher or hand washing..... okay, both are perfectly fine!

You all need to get smacked with a wet sponge.

Ah... that may not sound right..

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I find this whole thread has become laughable. People are such hypocrites when it comes to the environment.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

German models still have the food grinder and last longer.

I hate how appliances do not last. My gorgeous fridge will quit any day or not. I don't know. It has had issues since I bought it. My stove is fine. My washer/dryer are still going but only 7 years old and I need to replace the washer because it is the old front end loader that doesn't have the stability live the new ones so will leak sometimes.

huskerbb · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
I find this whole thread has become laughable. People are such hypocrites when it comes to the environment.

Of course they are.

They rail against "big oil" or whatever the supposed environmental "villain" of the month is--but ask them to turn their thermostat up or down a few degrees? You might as well try drilling for that oil on a city street (to quote Meatloaf).

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

There is nothing "unnatural" about oil , coal or natural gas. God put it there. It's every bit as natural as their idiot windmills and useless solar panels.

weltschmerz · Guru

Asbestos, lead and arsenic. God put it there.
Asbestos, lead and arsenic for everyone!!!

-- Edited by weltschmerz on Thursday 14th of January 2016 09:21:15 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, you seem to get fired up over everything. It makes it hard to take you seriously most of the time.

I'm not the one who started the thread, whining about dishwasher detergent.
The environment is a serious business for me.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them.
Problem solved!
Really? YOu don't seem to get very fired up over air travel and the gallons and gallons of fuel used to to fly people around.
EVERYONE is an environmentalist--as long as they aren't expected to do something they don't want to, or not do something they do.
There are a whole bunch of environmental nuts in California who were all about "saving" water when it was agriculture that needed it--but as soon as their lawns got shut off or they needed to cut down in other ways, all of a sudden saving water wasn't so important.
Yup. And, I have yet to EVER see her call out her EnviroHypocritical Libs. Uh huh.

Fine. Bring an EnviroHypocritical Lib on the board, and I'll call them out on it.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I find this whole thread has become laughable. People are such hypocrites when it comes to the environment.
Of course they are.

They rail against "big oil" or whatever the supposed environmental "villain" of the month is--but ask them to turn their thermostat up or down a few degrees? You might as well try drilling for that oil on a city street (to quote Meatloaf).

I DID turn my thermostat down a few degrees.

Fort Worth Mom · Mod/Penguin lover/Princess!

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
German models still have the food grinder and last longer.

I hate how appliances do not last. My gorgeous fridge will quit any day or not. I don't know. It has had issues since I bought it. My stove is fine. My washer/dryer are still going but only 7 years old and I need to replace the washer because it is the old front end loader that doesn't have the stability live the new ones so will leak sometimes.

What kind of fridge to you have, IKWTDS?

just hanging around · Newbie

oh neat, a general dishwasher topic!

1) i rinse dishes before loading the dishwasher. there are only two of us in the house, and if i didn't rinse the dishes, the dishwasher would start to smell before it was full. i never run a dishwasher that isn't full. that's wasteful of both the electricity to heat the water and run the machine itself.

2) people get really weird about dishwashers. my late ILs had a dishwasher in their home for over 40 years. they never used it. they used it to store boxes of cereal, snacks, crackers, and such. but never, ever baking supplies. it was against some kind of anti-dishwasher-storage-code to store flour in the unused dishwasher. but then my ILs were very, very strange people.

3) my Whirlpool dishwasher is still going strong. we're coming up on 5 years, since we moved into this house. i'll let you guys know in July if it throws craps and needs to be replaced.

4) i prefer the Cascade Complete pods. they contain no phosphates and do a great job.

did i cover all of the viewpoints here? what did i miss?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, hello there JHA!

just hanging around · Newbie

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I find this whole thread has become laughable. People are such hypocrites when it comes to the environment.
Of course they are.

They rail against "big oil" or whatever the supposed environmental "villain" of the month is--but ask them to turn their thermostat up or down a few degrees? You might as well try drilling for that oil on a city street (to quote Meatloaf).
I DID turn my thermostat down a few degrees.

well goody for you. want a parade, or will a brass band suffice?

just hanging around · Newbie

Lawyerlady wrote:
Well, hello there JHA!

hi there!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

JHA- I've MISSED you!!!!

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
There is nothing "unnatural" about oil , coal or natural gas. God put it there. It's every bit as natural as their idiot windmills and useless solar panels.

Please, allow me to make you a soothing cup of oleander or hemlock tea.

Don't worry, there are no deleterious effects from God's handiwork.

just hanging around · Newbie

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
There is nothing "unnatural" about oil , coal or natural gas. God put it there. It's every bit as natural as their idiot windmills and useless solar panels.
Please, allow me to make you a soothing cup of oleander or hemlock tea.
Don't worry, there are no deleterious effects from God's handiwork.

well of course there are deleterious effects from natural fuels (oil, coal, and natural gas). but there are equally deleterious effects from such things as solar power, wind power, and hybrid cars. the batteries that run hybrid cars are notoriously toxic. as are the original energy saving lightbulbs. and you can't just toss solar panels in a landfill. there's a process.

it would be nice, in the interest of full disclosure, for you to admit that "clean" energy also has environmental consequences, instead of just dissing natural energy sources.

just hanging around · Newbie

Lawyerlady wrote:
JHA- I've MISSED you!!!!

i've missed you too, LL, very much. and many of the regular posters here as well...

weltschmerz · Guru

just hanging around wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I find this whole thread has become laughable. People are such hypocrites when it comes to the environment.
Of course they are.

They rail against "big oil" or whatever the supposed environmental "villain" of the month is--but ask them to turn their thermostat up or down a few degrees? You might as well try drilling for that oil on a city street (to quote Meatloaf).
I DID turn my thermostat down a few degrees.
well goody for you. want a parade, or will a brass band suffice?

Wow! What the hell is YOUR problem?

I was responding to husker's accusations.

just hanging around · Newbie

weltschmerz wrote:
just hanging around wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I find this whole thread has become laughable. People are such hypocrites when it comes to the environment.
Of course they are.

They rail against "big oil" or whatever the supposed environmental "villain" of the month is--but ask them to turn their thermostat up or down a few degrees? You might as well try drilling for that oil on a city street (to quote Meatloaf).
I DID turn my thermostat down a few degrees.
well goody for you. want a parade, or will a brass band suffice?
Wow! What the hell is YOUR problem?
I was responding to husker's accusations.

fine, now respond to my next quote of one of your posts.

weltschmerz · Guru

I try to leave as small a carbon foot print within reason. I rarely drive and take public transit that runs on used restaurant grease or kinetic energy. I do the best I can.
I hate wind power, solar isn't entirely feasible yet, but there are advances being made every day. Everything has a downside, but some things have a greater impact on the environment than others.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Weltz, you seem to get fired up over everything. It makes it hard to take you seriously most of the time.

I'm not the one who started the thread, whining about dishwasher detergent.
The environment is a serious business for me.
If you don't like my posts, don't read them.
Problem solved!
Lilly is entitled to her opinion.
...and I'm entitled to mine, without her whining that I get "fired up".
Hahaha.....

I've lost count of the times you've insisted the Apocalypse was nigh. Kind of like the boy who cried wolf...

flan

just hanging around · Newbie

weltschmerz wrote:
I try to leave as small a carbon foot print within reason. I rarely drive and take public transit that runs on used restaurant grease or kinetic energy. I do the best I can.
I hate wind power, solar isn't entirely feasible yet, but there are advances being made every day. Everything has a downside, but some things have a greater impact on the environment than others.

yes they do. like the batteries in hybrid cars, which are a nightmare to dispose of.

i don't think anyone here is against a smaller "carbon footprint", whether the reason is environmental or financial. the simple fact is, the alternative methods of generating energy simply aren't as dependable or financially feasible as carbon fuels at this point in time.

i'll give you a personal example. the hubs drives to work every day, 25 miles each way. there isn't a mass transit option for him to take, so he has to drive. he'll be doing that for the rest of this year, when he will retire. i limit the trips in my car to three days a week, one of which is solely to pick up my grandsons and bring them to my house every Wednesday morning. if i can't get it done in two days (excluding Wednesdays), it doesn't get done. the thermostat in our house is set at 62 during the winter, except for the two days that i take care of my grandchildren, when we bask in 66 degrees. we wear heavy socks, sweats, and use blankets. our house is heated by propane. propane is expensive. once the furnace is turned on, that propane flows out of the tank like sipping soda through a straw. so i do everything i can to reduce our propane use during the winter months, even when the nighttime temp is in the teens (or lower), which it has already been.

it's all well and good to turn one's nose up at carbon fuels, and to decry the negative effects of same. but not everyone can ride on buses that run on restaurant grease or kinetic energy. one must deal with the realities of life that one faces. i'll welcome, and use, advances in alternative energy, if it comes in my lifetime. since i've been hearing about alternative energy taking over for at least 30 of my 61 years of life, i'm not holding my breath.

oh, and to return to the topic, i don't actually know of a dishwasher detergent that still contains phosphates. i believe that was regulated out some time ago. so the statement of algae and killing fish due to phosphate runoff into rivers and streams is mute. because they are no longer allowed in the U.S.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
I try to leave as small a carbon foot print within reason. I rarely drive and take public transit that runs on used restaurant grease or kinetic energy. I do the best I can.
I hate wind power, solar isn't entirely feasible yet, but there are advances being made every day. Everything has a downside, but some things have a greater impact on the environment than others.

Goody for you. God gave us life abundantly. To use the resources that are here. So you can ride your restaurant grease public transport and i will drive my SUV.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I find this whole thread has become laughable. People are such hypocrites when it comes to the environment.
Of course they are.

They rail against "big oil" or whatever the supposed environmental "villain" of the month is--but ask them to turn their thermostat up or down a few degrees? You might as well try drilling for that oil on a city street (to quote Meatloaf).
I DID turn my thermostat down a few degrees.

To what? Turn it down a few more. I've got a buddy who keeps his house at 50 degrees in the winter--and that's because his thermostat won't go any lower.

-- Edited by huskerbb on Thursday 14th of January 2016 10:49:30 PM

weltschmerz · Guru

just hanging around wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
I try to leave as small a carbon foot print within reason. I rarely drive and take public transit that runs on used restaurant grease or kinetic energy. I do the best I can.
I hate wind power, solar isn't entirely feasible yet, but there are advances being made every day. Everything has a downside, but some things have a greater impact on the environment than others.
yes they do. like the batteries in hybrid cars, which are a nightmare to dispose of.
i don't think anyone here is against a smaller "carbon footprint", whether the reason is environmental or financial. the simple fact is, the alternative methods of generating energy simply aren't as dependable or financially feasible as carbon fuels at this point in time.
i'll give you a personal example. the hubs drives to work every day, 25 miles each way. there isn't a mass transit option for him to take, so he has to drive. he'll be doing that for the rest of this year, when he will retire. i limit the trips in my car to three days a week, one of which is solely to pick up my grandsons and bring them to my house every Wednesday morning. if i can't get it done in two days (excluding Wednesdays), it doesn't get done. the thermostat in our house is set at 62 during the winter, except for the two days that i take care of my grandchildren, when we bask in 66 degrees. we wear heavy socks, sweats, and use blankets. our house is heated by propane. propane is expensive. once the furnace is turned on, that propane flows out of the tank like sipping soda through a straw. so i do everything i can to reduce our propane use during the winter months, even when the nighttime temp is in the teens (or lower), which it has already been.
it's all well and good to turn one's nose up at carbon fuels, and to decry the negative effects of same. but not everyone can ride on buses that run on restaurant grease or kinetic energy. one must deal with the realities of life that one faces. i'll welcome, and use, advances in alternative energy, if it comes in my lifetime. since i've been hearing about alternative energy taking over for at least 30 of my 61 years of life, i'm not holding my breath.
oh, and to return to the topic, i don't actually know of a dishwasher detergent that still contains phosphates. i believe that was regulated out some time ago. so the statement of algae and killing fish due to phosphate runoff into rivers and streams is mute. because they are no longer allowed in the U.S.

well goody for you. want a parade, or will a brass band suffice?

just hanging around · Newbie

weltschmerz wrote:
just hanging around wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
I try to leave as small a carbon foot print within reason. I rarely drive and take public transit that runs on used restaurant grease or kinetic energy. I do the best I can.
I hate wind power, solar isn't entirely feasible yet, but there are advances being made every day. Everything has a downside, but some things have a greater impact on the environment than others.
yes they do. like the batteries in hybrid cars, which are a nightmare to dispose of.
i don't think anyone here is against a smaller "carbon footprint", whether the reason is environmental or financial. the simple fact is, the alternative methods of generating energy simply aren't as dependable or financially feasible as carbon fuels at this point in time.
i'll give you a personal example. the hubs drives to work every day, 25 miles each way. there isn't a mass transit option for him to take, so he has to drive. he'll be doing that for the rest of this year, when he will retire. i limit the trips in my car to three days a week, one of which is solely to pick up my grandsons and bring them to my house every Wednesday morning. if i can't get it done in two days (excluding Wednesdays), it doesn't get done. the thermostat in our house is set at 62 during the winter, except for the two days that i take care of my grandchildren, when we bask in 66 degrees. we wear heavy socks, sweats, and use blankets. our house is heated by propane. propane is expensive. once the furnace is turned on, that propane flows out of the tank like sipping soda through a straw. so i do everything i can to reduce our propane use during the winter months, even when the nighttime temp is in the teens (or lower), which it has already been.
it's all well and good to turn one's nose up at carbon fuels, and to decry the negative effects of same. but not everyone can ride on buses that run on restaurant grease or kinetic energy. one must deal with the realities of life that one faces. i'll welcome, and use, advances in alternative energy, if it comes in my lifetime. since i've been hearing about alternative energy taking over for at least 30 of my 61 years of life, i'm not holding my breath.
oh, and to return to the topic, i don't actually know of a dishwasher detergent that still contains phosphates. i believe that was regulated out some time ago. so the statement of algae and killing fish due to phosphate runoff into rivers and streams is mute. because they are no longer allowed in the U.S.
well goody for you. want a parade, or will a brass band suffice?

i'd actually prefer a nice bouquet of flowers, or a steak dinner.

you're the one who stated how hard you work to reduce your carbon footprint, like you're the only one who does so. see, even us carbon energy fans do what we can to not waste energy.

-- Edited by just hanging around on Thursday 14th of January 2016 10:58:13 PM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yum. Steak. From big old belching cows on a huge cattle ranch!

chef · Guru

Our dishwasher is decent enough. Pretty standard quality for an apartment.

A few months back, for giggles, we went to Home Depot and picked out our dream appliances. The dishwasher we picked has an option that allows it to actually scrub dishes.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
I try to leave as small a carbon foot print within reason. I rarely drive and take public transit that runs on used restaurant grease or kinetic energy. I do the best I can.
I hate wind power, solar isn't entirely feasible yet, but there are advances being made every day. Everything has a downside, but some things have a greater impact on the environment than others.

Attention Whore!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Why are you online using electricity?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

What's Obama's carbon footprint? Doesnt faze him to hop Airforce one or golf on lushly watered courses. Uh huh.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Why are you online using electricity?

First of all. my electricity is kinetic, not coal-fired.

Secondly...why is it all or nothing with anti-environmentalists? There are many shades of grey between black and white.

Seems like unless I'm living in a cave, heating with dung and wearing hemp underpants, I'm a hypocrite.

I'm doing the best that I can.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
What's Obama's carbon footprint? Doesnt faze him to hop Airforce one or golf on lushly watered courses. Uh huh.

Is Obama reading this thread? Is Obama here? Bring him here and I'll yell at him.

I can only be responsible for ME.

WYSIWYG · Guru

I can't remember the last time I used a dishwasher. I think I was in High School.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

To me, they are gross.

I mean, you have to wait for it to be full to run it.

Or you have too many and have to run it twice.

It's just faster, to me, to wash the dishes and be done with it.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Goody for you. God gave us life abundantly. To use the resources that are here. So you can ride your restaurant grease public transport and i will drive my SUV.
- Lady Gaga Snerd

________________________________

God gave us the Earth to be good stewards of it. Not to abuse it and destroy it at our leisure.

WYSIWYG · Guru

It's just faster, to me, to wash the dishes and be done with it.
- lilyofcourse.

____________________________

I feel the same way. Plus the dishes always turn out cleaner when hand washed. I may not have used dishwashers myself, but I've helped many people empty them, and it amazes me how many people have to rewash half-a-dozen items every single load because they come out still dirty.

just hanging around · Newbie

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Why are you online using electricity?
First of all. my electricity is kinetic, not coal-fired.
Secondly...why is it all or nothing with anti-environmentalists? There are many shades of grey between black and white.
Seems like unless I'm living in a cave, heating with dung and wearing hemp underpants, I'm a hypocrite.
I'm doing the best that I can.

we're all trying to do the best we can.

i've already stated that i'm not anti environment, or anti alternate fuels. i'd be happy to use them once they are feasible. but they aren't feasible yet where i live.

the thing is, your electricity is supplied kinetically. that probably isn't a decision that you made, but what is available where you live. that's not available everywhere. so what would you have me do, when my local electric company doesn't generate electricity kinetically? turn off all of my lights? go off the grid?

frankly, i'm seeing more black and white from you. anyone who uses the fossil fuel that they need to get through their daily life is, according to you (and just what i'm reading from your attitude in this thread) anti-environmental. it sounds more like it's all or nothing from you, not from me. where you live, you can use mass transit that uses alternative fuels, and you can go on with your daily life with little inconvenience. i think that's fantastic. but that's not true for me, for my husband, for my children, or their spouses. yet we still have to get to work.

you're doing the best you can, so am i. i'm not judging you. why are you judging those of us who simply can't maintain the same small carbon footprint that you do?

chef · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Why are you online using electricity?
First of all. my electricity is kinetic, not coal-fired.
Secondly...why is it all or nothing with anti-environmentalists? There are many shades of grey between black and white.
Seems like unless I'm living in a cave, heating with dung and wearing hemp underpants, I'm a hypocrite.
I'm doing the best that I can.

Explain?

weltschmerz · Guru

chef wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Why are you online using electricity?
First of all. my electricity is kinetic, not coal-fired.
Secondly...why is it all or nothing with anti-environmentalists? There are many shades of grey between black and white.
Seems like unless I'm living in a cave, heating with dung and wearing hemp underpants, I'm a hypocrite.
I'm doing the best that I can.
Explain?

http://www.hydroquebec.com/about-hydro-quebec/our-energy/hydropower/clean-renewable.html

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

WYSIWYG wrote:
Goody for you. God gave us life abundantly. To use the resources that are here. So you can ride your restaurant grease public transport and i will drive my SUV.
- Lady Gaga Snerd

________________________________

God gave us the Earth to be good stewards of it. Not to abuse it and destroy it at our leisure.

Did i say something about "abusing and destroying" the Earth? Um, no, I did not. It isn't "irresponsible" to use fossil fuels. Environmentalism is just another form of govt control and has absolutely NOTHING to do with "protecting the environment" and all the baloney they preach.

Just like a farmer who takes care of his farm and crops and animal so we are to take care of our surroundings. That doesn't mean we don't use and consume which is what envirowhackos try to stop. In their eyes, man is a parasite on the planet. But, guess what, God created Man too to be here and live and thrive.

I know what to do_sometimes · Frozen Sucks!

Fort Worth Mom wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
German models still have the food grinder and last longer.

I hate how appliances do not last. My gorgeous fridge will quit any day or not. I don't know. It has had issues since I bought it. My stove is fine. My washer/dryer are still going but only 7 years old and I need to replace the washer because it is the old front end loader that doesn't have the stability live the new ones so will leak sometimes.
What kind of fridge to you have, IKWTDS?

Kenmore Elite but made by LG.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The so called "greenies " judge anyone living slightly MORE than them as wrong, cuz of course, they are "just right'. So, if they take a trip and fly across the country using jet fuel their trip is "justified" but yours isn't. If you are smart enough to know that flourescent lights contain mercury and prefer incandescant then of course you are wrong. If you demonstrate to them that using paper bags puts a bigger "footprint" on the environment than plastic, they will ignore that. They seem to have no problem drinking endless plastic bottles of bottled water to toss in the landfill. They seem to have no problem remodeling their homes and tossing perfectly serviceable things into the landfill. They seem to have no problem justifying everything they do and pointing out that someone is wrong, usually a conservative or Republican, while they ignore the gross spending and consumption of the liberals who preach at us to use one square of toilet paper from their lavish mansions.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
I try to leave as small a carbon foot print within reason. I rarely drive and take public transit that runs on used restaurant grease or kinetic energy. I do the best I can.
I hate wind power, solar isn't entirely feasible yet, but there are advances being made every day. Everything has a downside, but some things have a greater impact on the environment than others.
Goody for you. God gave us life abundantly. To use the resources that are here. So you can ride your restaurant grease public transport and i will drive my SUV.

Aren't we supposed to be stewards of the Earth & leave it in decent shape for future generations?

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
What's Obama's carbon footprint? Doesnt faze him to hop Airforce one or golf on lushly watered courses. Uh huh.

I hate to tell you but golf courses are watered & cared for whether or not the POTUS happens to be there or not.

flan