Genetically modified food is perfectly fine. We don't have ever increasing levels of pesticides.
That is untrue. You are just putting them IN the food instead of spraying them on top of it. You are also killing the bees and butterflies, which the world NEEDS. And that's a proven fact so don't bother to deny it.
??? No, the butterfly thing has been widely debuked. It is absolutely untrue.
the bee one ihas not been proven, but what they are looking at in that regard has NOTHING to do with GMOs.
also, neither of those things have anything to do with your original statement.
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By who, Monsanto? It has already been proven they fix their studies and they are on trial in other countries for environmental crimes. NOTHING they say is beleivable. NOTHING.
???? Um, no, by independent studies conducted at several universities.
No. American university studies have shown to be funded by Monsanto. They are worthless. And that is proven by every study NOT funded by Monsanto finding the opposite. Don't you read the news on this stuff. It's been all over that American university studies on the subject are bought and paid for.
You are simply wrong. There has not been one independent study that has shown wghat you say--and several that have debunked that nonsense.
some nutbpjobs blog is not news.
Bull. They don't get to rely on the studies they influence to prove their points. Other countries are not buying it and doing their own studies and banning it. You are losing, anyway. The tide has turned. None of the promises made are coming true and problems are being found left and right.
Try reading the national Academy of Sciences. The complete debunking was published by them.
the promises have absolutely proven to be true. The only thing preventing anything is the nut jobs who oppose such efforts.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Blah, blah, blah. Keep towing the company line. It means nothing. And the best evidence I have? When I quit eating genetically modified food, I instantly lost weight, stopped having IBS symptoms and generally have more energy.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Blah, blah, blah. Keep towing the company line. It means nothing. And the best evidence I have? When I quit eating genetically modified food, I instantly lost weight, stopped having IBS symptoms and generally have more energy.
LOL!!! I doubt you are even doing that. plus, that is not "evidence" of anything.
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Blah, blah, blah. Keep towing the company line. It means nothing. And the best evidence I have? When I quit eating genetically modified food, I instantly lost weight, stopped having IBS symptoms and generally have more energy.
LOL!!! I doubt you are even doing that. plus, that is not "evidence" of anything.
Doubt all you want. The only time I'm eating that stuff is when I eat out, and I can tell the difference immediately.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
If GMO's are so good for you why is there a problem with labeling them as such? It's because smart people would'nt eat them and farmers who want to just sell their crop to make a buck would make less bucks. Do you think you fool anyone by pretending you (general you) aren't messing with my food? I know a little about GMO's and it's from the other side of yours husker. I'll have a real debate with you if you think you're up to it. Just remember if you have to insult me to debate it I will laugh and gladly leave this thread.
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If GMO's are so good for you why is there a problem with labeling them as such? It's because smart people would'nt eat them and farmers who want to just sell their crop to make a buck would make less bucks. Do you think you fool anyone by pretending you (general you) aren't messing with my food? I know a little about GMO's and it's from the other side of yours husker. I'll have a real debate with you if you think you're up to it. Just remember if you have to insult me to debate it I will laugh and gladly leave this thread.
That's the only way you debate.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
It can dramatically increase production of fruits and vegetables.
In areas where food is scarce, it can help in the fight against hunger.
But I also see the down side of it.
I think, we should be incredibly thankful that we have the ability to be so particular in the foods we choose.
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If GMO's are so good for you why is there a problem with labeling them as such? It's because smart people would'nt eat them and farmers who want to just sell their crop to make a buck would make less bucks. Do you think you fool anyone by pretending you (general you) aren't messing with my food? I know a little about GMO's and it's from the other side of yours husker. I'll have a real debate with you if you think you're up to it. Just remember if you have to insult me to debate it I will laugh and gladly leave this thread.
That's the only way you debate.
So I guess your answer is insults.
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GMOs have done more for the organic industry than the organic industry could ever have done for itself. Every time I go to the grocery store, there are new organic products. Even the big food companies are responding - I can now buy organic Lays and other products. Last night at the store, the organic yogurt was sold out and none of the others were. Kroger's organic section has doubled because people are buying it and demanding more. Hershey's is changing to stop using genetically modified ingredients. Campbell's has seen the writing on the wall and has decided to voluntarily label their products. As people become more informed, the consumers are making their feelings known, and that is how a free market works.
That's all in addition to the problems Monsanto is facing overseas. They lose their lawsuits there because they haven't been able to buy their way out of trouble like here and stack the deck with former Monsanto employees.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
GMOs have done more for the organic industry than the organic industry could ever have done for itself. Every time I go to the grocery store, there are new organic products. Even the big food companies are responding - I can now buy organic Lays and other products. Last night at the store, the organic yogurt was sold out and none of the others were. Kroger's organic section has doubled because people are buying it and demanding more. Hershey's is changing to stop using genetically modified ingredients. Campbell's has seen the writing on the wall and has decided to voluntarily label their products. As people become more informed, the consumers are making their feelings known, and that is how a free market works.
That's all in addition to the problems Monsanto is facing overseas. They lose their lawsuits there because they haven't been able to buy their way out of trouble like here and stack the deck with former Monsanto employees.
Which is ruining the global environment.
Organic crops produce between 1/2 and 2/3 that of conventionally grown crops. That means instead of needing 1 acre to grow X amount of food, it takes 1.5-2.
Where is this land going to come from? Rain forests, wetlands, wild grasslands and many marginal farming environments. Soon, there will be nothing left for wildlife.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Failure to Yield: Evaluating the Performance of Genetically Engineered Crops (2009). Contrary ... soybeans and herbicide-tolerant corn has not increased yields.
Feb 13, 2013 - While some GM varieties delivered small yield gains, others did not. .... That sounds risky to me for a company who promised us Agent Orange ...
Jun 25, 2013 - (Perhaps not coincidentally, Monsanto and Syngenta are major sponsors of ... GM crops generally have higher yields due to both breeding and ...
Apr 20, 2009 - Looks like those were just empty promises. ... In fact, when they contrasted yields of genetically engineered ... and soy products that are not explicitly labeled “organic” or “GMO-free,” chances are you're eating these foods!
Dec 10, 2015 - Monsanto promised that its latest and greatest GM crop, MON810, ... banned by most of Europe, would increase yields and stop crop loss due to pests. ... In other EU countries almost no genetically modified maize is sown.
Apr 12, 2015 - The often repeated lie by pro-GMO trolls is coming apart. ... in stark contrast to an amalgamation of scientists who say that GM crops have “failed to yield” as promised. ... This study was not done by some no-name idiot either.
GM is not the quick fix it is often purported to be. The promises of higher yields, drought and salt resistance are currently unfulfilled by the GM industries, where ...
Oct 5, 2010 - To use Roundup on not GM crops, you have to wait until the weeds are ...... A conventional farmer could keep some of his yield as seeds for the ...
Mar 20, 2013 - Despite the promises, GM has not increased the yield potential of any commercialised crops. In fact, studies show that the most widely grown ...
In spite of this carpeting of the country by GE crops, has the yield dream been realized? According to ... Categorically, GM seeds are not the most high-yielding.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Simple google searches show the holes in your arguments. The ONLY support for GM agriculture comes from or is funded by those who make money off of it.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Simple google searches show the holes in your arguments. The ONLY support for GM agriculture comes from or is funded by those who make money off of it.
So--you have no clue and can't answer the question.
Also, you are dead wrong. A summary of more than SEVENTEEN HUNDRED worldwide studies on the subject contradict the nutjobs' blogs you cite.
GMOs Are Nothing to Fear
Genetic modification is a safe and effective way to make America’s crops resilient.
Italian scientists recently read and summarized 1,783 scientific studies to conclude that there is, in fact, scientific consensus around the safety of genetically modified organisms. "The scientific research conducted so far has not detected any significant hazards directly connected with the use of genetically modified crops," they concluded, agreeing with the World Health Organization, the Food and Drug Administration and the American Medical Association.
In fact, there has never been a single credible scientific study showing GMOs to have harmful effects on humans, animals or our environment. But scientific consensus hasn't stopped activists from demanding mandatory labeling on all genetically modified foods. Yet there already exists an effective and uniform way for consumers around the country to identify non-GMO products: the presence of a USDA-certified organic label.
Genetic modification is a safe and effective way to make America's crops resistant to drought and pestilence, and it helps ensure the country produces enough food to feed our families and the world, especially developing nations. Simply put, GM technology means that scientists take the naturally-occurring, desirable traits of one plant and add them to another. No chemicals are involved.
Farmers have been using GMOs for nearly 20 years, and between 70 percent and 80 percent of the food you consume contains GM ingredients. The use of this technology ensures farmers can grow more food, fend off infestations and recover from drought faster. GM technology also helps to keep food prices lower. Without it, the cost of key agricultural commodities would go up 15 percent to 30 percent. GM technology is more environmentally friendly as well. From 1996 to 2011, biotech crops have collectively reduced global pesticide applications by 1.04 billion pounds.
Earlier this year, The New York Times profiled the use of GM technology to save Florida's oranges from deadly bacteria that would otherwise wipe out the entire crop. Similarly, scientists could save millions of children from malnutrition by infusing Asia's rice paddies with vitamin A, creating so-called "Golden Rice."
Currently, the FDA does not require foods to be labeled as having been produced with GM technology because it has found that there is no health risk associated with these foods or any material difference between GM and non-GM foods. Nonetheless, recently some groups have put forward state ballot initiatives and legislation to require special labels for products containing these ingredients.
These initiatives – which could mislead consumers into thinking GM foods pose a health risk or are materially different from conventionally produced products – would create an unnecessary patchwork of conflicting state labeling requirements, which would snarl interstate commerce, create confusion and increase costs for consumers.
There is a better way to be open with consumers about the food they eat. The FDA should maintain its role as America's foremost food safety authority and, when food ingredients are proven to impact consumer health, they should use their federal authority to label foods with those ingredients in all 50 states.
The FDA has determined, along with those 1,700-plus other studies, that GM foods pose no risk to America's families and, as such, do not warrant a label. We should follow the science and stop the fear-mongering. We don't need a series of regulations and labels to tell us what we already know: Genetically modified foods are safe.
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Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Also, here are the average corn yields. Not the nearly DOUBLED increases per year for the past 20 years compared to previously.
Fig. 2. Linear rates (b coefficients) of corn grain yield increase per acre per year calculated by simple linear regression of state average corn grain yield (Indiana) versus production year over differing length time periods. Source of yield data used in the regressions = USDA-NASS (2006).
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I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right.
Well, I could agree with you--but then we'd both be wrong.
Grocers don't make more off organic items. The margin is the same on organic as non organic. They cost more to produce, so the grocer is charged more and has to pass along that higher ticket to the customer. But they don't make any more off of it themselves. The more affordable they can make it, the more they will sell.
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I think the margins for grocers is very slim compared to other businesses. After my dad retired from his job as an engineer at Sylvania, he bought a small local grocery store and operated that for a few years. It was a very difficult go and he didn't make much. And, it was the smallest grocery in a small town so he wound up closing it up. He couldn't compete with the bigger grocers who could sell at slightly cheaper prices. Sometimes he would buy stuff from the bigger ones and resell the items to make pennies.
The burst of anti-label lobbying is aimed in part to muster Congressional support for legislation sponsored by Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) that would block state-level GMO labeling efforts, impede moves by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to require GMO labeling nationwide and codify the current, failed voluntary labeling system.
The Pompeo bill, dubbed the DARK (Deny Americans the Right to Know) Act by advocates of GMO labeling, was originally introduced in April 2014. Pompeo reintroduced similar legislation under the same name on March 25 of this year.
Last May, Vermont became the first state to enact legislation to require GMO labeling. The Grocery Manufacturers Association and other trade groups filed a lawsuit in an effort to prevent the law from being implemented. If the suit fails, all food made with GMOs that is sold in Vermont must be labeled, effective July 1, 2016. Connecticut and Maine have passed GMO labeling laws that would go into effect if other northeastern states pass similar legislation. State legislators in 30 other states introduced more than 70 labeling bills in 2013 and 2014.
The Grocery Manufacturers Association -- one of the DARK Act’s most vocal supporters – disclosed $5.8 million in lobbying expenditures tied to GMO labeling last year, up sharply from $60,000 in 2013. The association’s member organizations separately disclosed another $25.4 million in lobbying expenditures tied to GMO labeling last year. Of that, almost half -- $13.3 million -- came from beverage giants Coca-Cola and PepsiCo.
Full article - http://www.ewg.org/research/anti-label-lobby
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
Grocers don't make more off organic items. The margin is the same on organic as non organic. They cost more to produce, so the grocer is charged more and has to pass along that higher ticket to the customer. But they don't make any more off of it themselves. The more affordable they can make it, the more they will sell.
I was thinking they probably don't make more from organic. Truth is, it isnt very economical.
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I want to know where my food is coming from. No, i don't want to buy food from China.
Where do you buy your food? Cause it comes from all over the world.
It winter right now, why do we have strawberries and melons in our stores?
Cause they are shipped in from all over.
Bananas, greens, basically anything fresh in the stores have come from everywhere.
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I want to know where my food is coming from. No, i don't want to buy food from China.
Every piece of produce you eat must have a COOL. Country of Origin Label. It's the law. All you have to do is read the little stickers on the produce. Meat doesnt have the country on it, but has the company name on it.
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"Pamela Bailey is president and CEO of the Grocery Manufacturers Association."
Try a neutral article please.
??? Why would she care whether she sells Organic products or GMO's? They make more on organic because they can charge ignorant consumers more.
You have not posted ONE "neutral" article. You have posted only crap off of nutjobs' blogs.
Then tell me why the Grocer's are spending millions to prevent labeling if they have no stake?
The Grocery Manufacturers are against it. Grocers are typically for it. A grocer is the store owner. A grocery manufacturer is a big company who makes your food. Important distinction.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
I want to know where my food is coming from. No, i don't want to buy food from China.
Every piece of produce you eat must have a COOL. Country of Origin Label. It's the law. All you have to do is read the little stickers on the produce. Meat doesnt have the country on it, but has the company name on it.
I do. I am not so concered about fresh fruits and veggies. Meat, i do look at. But, prepared or canned ingredients i would like to know. China doesn't really give a crap what they put in their food.
I want to know where my food is coming from. No, i don't want to buy food from China.
Every piece of produce you eat must have a COOL. Country of Origin Label. It's the law. All you have to do is read the little stickers on the produce. Meat doesnt have the country on it, but has the company name on it.
I do. I am not so concered about fresh fruits and veggies. Meat, i do look at. But, prepared or canned ingredients i would like to know. China doesn't really give a crap what they put in their food.
A canned food runs the risk of contamination regardless of where it's made. I really wouldn't eat anything from a can or a box these days. Almost all of the things in cans/boxes are made in country because the cost of shipping it, already made and boxed across the ocean is too cost prohibitive.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
I want to know where my food is coming from. No, i don't want to buy food from China.
Every piece of produce you eat must have a COOL. Country of Origin Label. It's the law. All you have to do is read the little stickers on the produce. Meat doesnt have the country on it, but has the company name on it.
I do. I am not so concered about fresh fruits and veggies. Meat, i do look at. But, prepared or canned ingredients i would like to know. China doesn't really give a crap what they put in their food.
A canned food runs the risk of contamination regardless of where it's made. I really wouldn't eat anything from a can or a box these days. Almost all of the things in cans/boxes are made in country because the cost of shipping it, already made and boxed across the ocean is too cost prohibitive.
You never eat anything from a can? You dont use canned broth or occasion? Or , use any food that is prepared in anyway? There are canned goods being shipped to this country.
When you are making 3 meals a day, it's nice having a box of broth or can of something to speed the process.
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Me, too! I still buy a few things in cans, but most of the organic versions and non-gmo versions come in boxes, now. And the boxes are easier to open - you don't have to have a can opener.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
"Pamela Bailey is president and CEO of the Grocery Manufacturers Association."
Try a neutral article please.
??? Why would she care whether she sells Organic products or GMO's? They make more on organic because they can charge ignorant consumers more.
You have not posted ONE "neutral" article. You have posted only crap off of nutjobs' blogs.
Then tell me why the Grocer's are spending millions to prevent labeling if they have no stake?
The Grocery Manufacturers are against it. Grocers are typically for it. A grocer is the store owner. A grocery manufacturer is a big company who makes your food. Important distinction.
Notice the capitalized "G" in Grocer's after quoting about the Grocery Manufacturers Association. It was shorthand for that organization, I thought that was clear.
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I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.
I want to know where my food is coming from. No, i don't want to buy food from China.
Every piece of produce you eat must have a COOL. Country of Origin Label. It's the law. All you have to do is read the little stickers on the produce. Meat doesnt have the country on it, but has the company name on it.
I do. I am not so concered about fresh fruits and veggies. Meat, i do look at. But, prepared or canned ingredients i would like to know. China doesn't really give a crap what they put in their food.
A canned food runs the risk of contamination regardless of where it's made. I really wouldn't eat anything from a can or a box these days. Almost all of the things in cans/boxes are made in country because the cost of shipping it, already made and boxed across the ocean is too cost prohibitive.
You never eat anything from a can? You dont use canned broth or occasion? Or , use any food that is prepared in anyway? There are canned goods being shipped to this country.
No. I don't eat anything from a can. I make my own broth and have it in the freezer in ready to use portions. I don't eat canned soup, I make my own. I make spaghetti sauce from tomatoes in the fall. I don't eat food from a can.
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Out of all the lies I have told, "just kidding" is my favorite !
I want to know where my food is coming from. No, i don't want to buy food from China.
Every piece of produce you eat must have a COOL. Country of Origin Label. It's the law. All you have to do is read the little stickers on the produce. Meat doesnt have the country on it, but has the company name on it.
I do. I am not so concered about fresh fruits and veggies. Meat, i do look at. But, prepared or canned ingredients i would like to know. China doesn't really give a crap what they put in their food.
A canned food runs the risk of contamination regardless of where it's made. I really wouldn't eat anything from a can or a box these days. Almost all of the things in cans/boxes are made in country because the cost of shipping it, already made and boxed across the ocean is too cost prohibitive.
You never eat anything from a can? You dont use canned broth or occasion? Or , use any food that is prepared in anyway? There are canned goods being shipped to this country.
No. I don't eat anything from a can. I make my own broth and have it in the freezer in ready to use portions. I don't eat canned soup, I make my own. I make spaghetti sauce from tomatoes in the fall. I don't eat food from a can.
Except for when you do.
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Because, unless you are making everything you eat from scratch, meaning never eating out or eating food from any where but what you make, you do eat food, of some kind, from cans, at some point.
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Or if you eat out. They used cannex lroducts. Martha Stewart was using canned tomatoes and canned olives and other ingredients. So you do not have a single canned product in your home?
Or if you eat out. They used cannex lroducts. Martha Stewart was using canned tomatoes and canned olives and other ingredients. So you do not have a single canned product in your home?
I have pasta in a box, flour, sugar, olive oil etc. But nothing in a can. Sorry. Why is that so hard to believe?! I manage a natural-organic food co-op for heaven's sake. When I cook, I don't use ingredients with ingredients. I use food without a label, except for pasta noodles which I only make once or twice a year.
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