TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: Girl Suspended for 30 Days Because She Lent Her Inhaler to a Gasping Classmate

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Actually not. The girl committed a felony by sharing prescription medicine. While you may think that's no big deal the school has to show that something was done to remedy the situation. You do realize that doctors have to report stuff like this? If, later on, the police, for some weird reason, look into this the school has to show they addressed the matter. I think a write up so that it is on the record would address that. The school has to CYA also. I would think you were smart enough to know that.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Nobody Just Nobody wrote:
Where in the hell did I say to let her die? Show me where I said that. I want to see the exact words. Stop saying stupid things.

Maybe the parents should freaking take responsibility for their kids. Maybe the kid should take some responsibility. How long are you going to expect people to come to your rescue? And what if no one else had an inhaler for you to use? What then?
Then you might die. But, it's certainly a harsh lesson because a teenager failed at personal responsibility, now isn't it?

Again, please show me in exactly which post I said this girl should die.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And if this girl can never ever remember to bring her inhaler anywhere what do you think is going to happen? At what point do you stop expecting others to have an extra inhaler to hand over to you? One would think this incident alone would be enough to make you carry your inhaler. I'll bet she doesn't though because there will be someone else to come to her rescue.

ETA: It's also law that when kids share medication, even Tylenol, both sets of parents have to be notified.

-- Edited by Nobody Just Nobody on Sunday 17th of January 2016 08:18:57 PM

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

If I were the school principal I would be furious. And I would have a list of questions that needed answering.

Where was the gym teacher/staff?
Where were the other students?
Why was this girl participating in gym when she was having an asthma attack?
Do either of these girls have action plans for their inhalers with the school?
Do they have permission from a doctor to carry the inhaler on them?
Does the school even know that either of them are asthmatic?
And I'd damn sure have the parents of the girl that had the asthma attack in the school and they'd better be answering questions.

What everyone here is saying is that this is no big deal. Nothing happened. Well you know what? This situation never would have even occurred of the other girl had followed through. When you have a disease you do what you need to do to take care of it. And if you are the parent of child with a disease you do what you have to do to make sure they take care of themselves. There are so many ways this could have been handled. I haven't once said the girl needed to die. And yet people here are saying that I have. This would definitely be my opening to address issues if I were the school.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

What she did was extremely illigal. Did the situation warrant it? Maybe. . . But maybe NOT.
Where the hell were all the adults in this situation??
It never should have got anywhere near this point.
I think the punishment was too severe for the nature of the offense--she was trying to help-- But, it needs to be made clear to both students (and maybe the rest of the school) that sharing medications is completely unacceptable, and against the law, and everyone can get in deep trouble for it.
I also want to know why the kid that actually took the medicine isn't being punished. Last time I checked, taking a prescription that wasn't your own was against the law.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
What she did was extremely illigal. Did the situation warrant it? Maybe. . . But maybe NOT.
Where the hell were all the adults in this situation??
It never should have got anywhere near this point.
I think the punishment was too severe for the nature of the offense--she was trying to help-- But, it needs to be made clear to both students (and maybe the rest of the school) that sharing medications is completely unacceptable, and against the law, and everyone can get in deep trouble for it.
I also want to know why the kid that actually took the medicine isn't being punished. Last time I checked, taking a prescription that wasn't your own was against the law.

OMG THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU Dona.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Okay. . . Maybe I won't read the rest if the thread. ..

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Sorry. I am not gonna let a kid die. If you dont understand the seriousness of asthma, i cant help you.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

I'm pretty sure that as a nurse and as a person with asthma I understand it completely.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry. I am not gonna let a kid die. If you dont understand the seriousness of asthma, i cant help you.

Hahahahaha Oh my GOD this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen on a loong time.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Doesnt sound like you do. Yes many athma attacks are easily managed but some can quickly progress. As a nurse i would think you would recognize life saving treatment.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry. I am not gonna let a kid die. If you dont understand the seriousness of asthma, i cant help you.
Hahahahaha Oh my GOD this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen on a loong time.

Ridiculous? How so. Wow a lot of ignorance here about asthma.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And yet, this girl was supposedly on death's door. Ready to die at a moment's notice. But no one, not a single adult, cared enough to notify medical personnel OR her parents.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Do you have any idea how frightening it is for a child who cant breathe?

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

And yet, this girl was supposedly on death's door. Ready to die at a moment's notice. But no one, not a single adult, cared enough to notify medical personnel OR her parents.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry. I am not gonna let a kid die. If you dont understand the seriousness of asthma, i cant help you.
Hahahahaha Oh my GOD this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen on a loong time.
Ridiculous? How so. Wow a lot of ignorance here about asthma.

This have NOTHING to do with asthma and EVERYTHING to do with the glaring incompetence of all the adults involved. It should have never got to the point of a CHILD giving out her medicine ILLEGALLY.

How is that so complicated to understand??

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

She gave her the inhaler and the kid is fine. But NJN keeps yelling feloney feloney! Really? Wow.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry. I am not gonna let a kid die. If you dont understand the seriousness of asthma, i cant help you.
Hahahahaha Oh my GOD this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen on a loong time.
Ridiculous? How so. Wow a lot of ignorance here about asthma.
This have NOTHING to do with asthma and EVERYTHING to do with the glaring incompetence of all the adults involved. It should have never got to the point of a CHILD giving out her medicine ILLEGALLY.
How is that so complicated to understand??

Well, it's just so much easier not to address the facts and instead accuse us of wanting the girl to die. And of course throw in just how ignorant we are of asthma even though I actually HAVE asthma and am a nurse. So yes, I do know. But if hysterics make some people feel better than so be it. The school here should not have let themselves get into this position. They need an overhaul and quick.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Why is that so complicated? No harm no foul.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
She gave her the inhaler and the kid is fine. But NJN keeps yelling feloney feloney! Really? Wow.

First of all it's felony. Not feloney. And it IS a felony whether you want to acknowledge that or not. The school can get into huge trouble for this. Who do you think they're going to blame? They have to CYA. Sorry the simplicity of this is too much for you to handle.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

The hysteria is freaking out about this when nothing happened except a kid helping another kid.

weltschmerz · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The hysteria is freaking out about this when nothing happened except a kid helping another kid.

It's still a felony.

If I try to kill my husband and inadvertently hire an undercover cop instead if a hit man, I don't get to walk because "nothing happened."

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No.

But if you come across a burning car, but moving them could cause some injury, do leave them in the burning car?

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
No.

But if you come across a burning car, but moving them could cause some injury, do leave them in the burning car?

We're talking FELONIES, lily.

Rescuing someone from a burning car is not a felony.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

No. But shouldn't saving a life be more important?

Again, this is a time when doing the right thing is against the law.

And if the good Samaritan law will protect you in the case of the Burning car, why wouldn't in in a case of giving someone your inhaler?

weltschmerz · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
No. But shouldn't saving a life be more important?

Again, this is a time when doing the right thing is against the law.

And if the good Samaritan law will protect you in the case of the Burning car, why wouldn't in in a case of giving someone your inhaler?

BECAUSE GIVING OR SELLING YOUR PRESCRIPTION TO SOMEONE ELSE IS A FELONY.

Would I have given my inhaler to someone whose throat was closing up? You bet! However, there would be consequences and a whole lot of questions would need to be answered.

Nobody Just Nobody · Rib-it! Rrrib-it!

The school simply cannot give the girl a pat on the head for "doing the right thing". Here's why. If some parent decides this is an issue and they go to the police the police MUST investigate. Will it necessarily end in someone going to jail? No. But if the school has paperwork documenting that they corrected the illegal behavior it's much more likely that no one will end up doing time than if the school just says "Oh we just looked the other way because she 'did the right thing'." The school has GOT to document that they took action. They simply cannot overlook a felony. If they do one of the workers at the school is going down. The very FIRST thing the police are going to ask is "Why wasn't a report done? What did you do to stop this from happening again?" Yes, the girl helped out. I get it. And as I have said a million times already the punishment may have been too harsh. I don't have more details. But the school has to do SOMETHING. They simply cannot let her walk.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

I STILL want to know why the girl who used the inhaler isn't at the very least being suspended.
She ALSO did something illegal.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
I STILL want to know why the girl who used the inhaler isn't at the very least being suspended.
She ALSO did something illegal.

OMG! What a crime! A girl having an asthma attack used someone else's inhaler! Call the President, call the National Guard! Call F Lee Bailey. confuse

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
The hysteria is freaking out about this when nothing happened except a kid helping another kid.
It's still a felony.
If I try to kill my husband and inadvertently hire an undercover cop instead if a hit man, I don't get to walk because "nothing happened."

It shouldn't be a felony. It's not a controlled substance. And, there is the law and the spirit of the law. And, the law considers circumstances too, that is why we have trials and a Judge to look at evidence. This isn't a case of someone giving a pill for another kid to get stoned.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We also need to stop punishing for what COULD have happened. Nothing bad happened. In fact the girl was helped. Discuss it with them both. That should have been the end of it.

Exactly. This is why "zero-tolerance" policies are so stupid. Differing circumstances require differing reactions.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Sorry. I am not gonna let a kid die. If you dont understand the seriousness of asthma, i cant help you.
Hahahahaha Oh my GOD this is the most ridiculous thing I have seen on a loong time.
Ridiculous? How so. Wow a lot of ignorance here about asthma.
This have NOTHING to do with asthma and EVERYTHING to do with the glaring incompetence of all the adults involved. It should have never got to the point of a CHILD giving out her medicine ILLEGALLY.
How is that so complicated to understand??

Because the kid is the one being punished. She saved that girl who was in that position because of the "glaring incompetence of all the adults involved", and she is the one being punished.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Would someone using their epi pen to help another student have a serious allergic reaction also be punished? That's a prescription, too. Some things require common sense, and this is one of them.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
No. But shouldn't saving a life be more important?

Again, this is a time when doing the right thing is against the law.

And if the good Samaritan law will protect you in the case of the Burning car, why wouldn't in in a case of giving someone your inhaler?

BECAUSE GIVING OR SELLING YOUR PRESCRIPTION TO SOMEONE ELSE IS A FELONY.
Would I have given my inhaler to someone whose throat was closing up? You bet! However, there would be consequences and a whole lot of questions would need to be answered.

So what? I doubt if a girl that age would even know that. It's not like she was passing out her moms Valium. Differing circumstances require differing reactions.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

For one, even an extremely slanted article written in favor of the girls made zero mention of:
The girl who used the inhaler having asthma
Girl one saving girl two life
That girl two was ever in any danger in the first place.
Girl two receiving any followup care or proper medical attention. (In fact, she went to the principals office)

From the facts laid out--and the facts that are lacking-- it is completely ridiculous to credit the girl with the inhaler for "saving" the life of her friend. That is not anywhere in the OP.
So yes, even if her heart was in the right place, and I have no doubt it was, she was wrong for offering a controlled substance to a friend, and her friend was wrong for accepting it, and the school cannot and should not inlgnore felonies committed on school property, regardless of whether or not there were terrible consequences.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

For another, when I get any kind of chest cold or pneumonia, I get short of breath and sometimes yes, struggle to breathe. It does NOT mean I need an inhaler or that one would even be useful.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

An inhaler is not a controlled substance, and unless someone is allergic to that medication (which is rare), using it is not going to hurt them.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So what do you want to do NJN? Should we call the police and make sure she is charged with a felony since you keep bringing that up. NOTHING bad happened here! Nothing happened. It is a non event. She used the inhaler. Nobody was harmed in any way, shape or form.