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There's always more to the original story. Thanks, MM.

But, if he was a Christian baker, there would be applause.
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I'd say the exact same thing to the baker, unless it was a Church Bakery on Church grounds. When you are at work do your job. No one forces anyone (at least in the US) to do or have a specific job. Having a specific job is a free choice. If you don't want to do the job, quit. I wouldn't work anywhere that my beliefs weren't reflected in what the company does or where I couldn't follow my faith. That's my free choice. It's everyone's free choice.


 If having a specific job is a free choice, then you should be able to choose the jobs you do if you are self employed.


 Exactly!  People say that your rights shouldn't interfere with your job and work somewhere else, but then also want to restrict the religious choices they make when they are self-employed.  It's a no-win situation.



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The analogous example would be if wal-mart hired you to decorate cakes and wanted you to do one for a wedding for gay people. If you refuse, they should be able to fire you.

If you are self employed, however, that is not the same thing. Joe plumber doesn't have to come unclog your pipes if he doesn't want to.

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If having a specific job is a free choice, then you should be able to choose the jobs you do if you are self employed.
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As long as you don't run afoul of anti-discrimination laws or don't open a "general public access" storefront, I agree.

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If you are self employed, however, that is not the same thing. Joe plumber doesn't have to come unclog your pipes if he doesn't want to.
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If Joe plumber opens a store and sells pipes though, he must sell to all who enter his store and offer to pay his asking price for those pipes.

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flan327 wrote:

Actually, you will still be a year older whether you have a cake, a pie or pizza.

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 And gay people will still be married whether they have a cake or not.

Your point is what? No one is arguing whether the event will still happen or not. The question is what constitutes participation in the event.



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huskerbb wrote:

The analogous example would be if wal-mart hired you to decorate cakes and wanted you to do one for a wedding for gay people. If you refuse, they should be able to fire you.

If you are self employed, however, that is not the same thing. Joe plumber doesn't have to come unclog your pipes if he doesn't want to.


 I agree.



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flan327 wrote:

Actually, you will still be a year older whether you have a cake, a pie or pizza.

flan


 I want to know two things.  Why do I turn a year older in one moment.  And can I have cake, pie, AND pizza?



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Cake and pie? Pffft! You've graduated to piecaken!


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Hey NJN - Have you see that pic on FB of a cake made from pizza?

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Nooooooooooooo Tag me in it! I need Valentines ideas!

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Cake and pie? Pffft! You've graduated to piecaken!


 Why yes.  Yes I have.  I'm making a raspberry pie with dark chocolate cake and chocolate cream cheese frosting for women's group Tuesday.



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If you are self employed, however, that is not the same thing. Joe plumber doesn't have to come unclog your pipes if he doesn't want to.
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If Joe plumber opens a store and sells pipes though, he must sell to all who enter his store and offer to pay his asking price for those pipes.


 Ah, but that is a very different thing than going to your house to unclog your toilet---or going to your wedding to set up and serve the cake.



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Ah, but that is a very different thing than going to your house to unclog your toilet---or going to your wedding to set up and serve the cake.
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I think that would depend on the venue and also what you advertise you do, as well as is it a "storefront" plumbing shop, or a "run from the home shop with one truck".

If it's a venue you've gone to to set up cakes for other weddings, a community center for example or local Hotel "ballroom", I don't think you could legitimately say "I won't go there".

If you advertise "We deliver and set up!", then, by all rights, you have to do that. If you advertise "We deliver to private events and homes!" then you have to do that as well.

If it's a "storefront" plumbing shop, I think you'd have to go unclog any toilet who's owner agrees to your unclogging of the toilet fee.


These are just my opinion though. Others may feel differently.

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Ah, but that is a very different thing than going to your house to unclog your toilet---or going to your wedding to set up and serve the cake.
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I think that would depend on the venue and also what you advertise you do, as well as is it a "storefront" plumbing shop, or a "run from the home shop with one truck".

If it's a venue you've gone to to set up cakes for other weddings, a community center for example or local Hotel "ballroom", I don't think you could legitimately say "I won't go there".

If you advertise "We deliver and set up!", then, by all rights, you have to do that. If you advertise "We deliver to private events and homes!" then you have to do that as well.

If it's a "storefront" plumbing shop, I think you'd have to go unclog any toilet who's owner agrees to your unclogging of the toilet fee.


These are just my opinion though. Others may feel differently.


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I did say it was an opinion, huskerbb. I didn't state it as fact. My opinion would only matter if I were on a jury in a case involving that situation.

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