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It isnt lying to not disclose personal private information. I am not obligated to tell you or anybody about myself unless i choose to. If your coworker asks you how much money you have in the bank is it lying to not tell them? No.

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My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

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So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 



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My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

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So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

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flan327 wrote:
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My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

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So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

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-- Edited by flan327 on Sunday 24th of January 2016 02:28:53 PM


 Well, since it's a RIGHT that people can own a gun, what the heck difference does it make to the pediatrician.  Knowing the answer isn't going to change anything. 



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Unless he asks how & where the gun is stored...

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Our doctors have enough to worry about with HEALTH concerns.

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Unless he asks how & where the gun is stored...

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 Which is none of his business, either. 



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flan327 wrote:
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My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

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So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

flan



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 Bull crap.  They are not.  They just want data to put into a database.  It has NOTHING to do with safety.  I can't believe you fall for that lie.  



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Has anyone had a doctor ask about where and how you store your laundry detergents?

What about other cleaning chemicals?

Been asked about where and how you keep your alcohol?

Or how about prescription drugs?

What about the cutlery?

I haven't.

But more kids are injured or get sick and even die with those things than guns.


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Yep, Lily.

How about plastic bags and where you store the aspirin? My little sister was hospitalized for eating a bottle of aspirin that was stored on top of the refrigerator. Little monkey.

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huskerbb wrote:
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Unless he asks how & where the gun is stored...

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 Which is none of his business, either. 


 If it prevents the death of a child...

Maybe the mom brings in the child & her husband owns the gun & she realizes she doesn't know if it is stored safely.

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Has anyone had a doctor ask about where and how you store your laundry detergents?

What about other cleaning chemicals?

Been asked about where and how you keep your alcohol?

Or how about prescription drugs?

What about the cutlery?

I haven't.

But more kids are injured or get sick and even die with those things than guns.


 And you can back up that claim, of course.

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flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:

Has anyone had a doctor ask about where and how you store your laundry detergents?

What about other cleaning chemicals?

Been asked about where and how you keep your alcohol?

Or how about prescription drugs?

What about the cutlery?

I haven't.

But more kids are injured or get sick and even die with those things than guns.


 And you can back up that claim, of course.

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 How about you use your google fingers and prove her wrong if you think she is. 



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Lawyerlady wrote:

Yep, Lily.

How about plastic bags and where you store the aspirin? My little sister was hospitalized for eating a bottle of aspirin that was stored on top of the refrigerator. Little monkey.


 Aaron found a little pill in the floor when he was crawling. It was under the stove. Little hands, man, they get every where.

And I was standing right there making his lunch.

 



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But here you go, from the CDC- not a gun on the list:

 

Table 1. The five leading causes and number of unintentional injury deaths among children, by age group, United States, 2009

Rank*Age <1Ages 1–4Ages 5–9Ages 10–14Ages 15–19
1Suffocation
907 (77%)
Drowning
450 (31%)
Motor Vehicle (MV) Traffic
378 (49%)
MV Traffic
491 (68%)
MV Traffic
3,242 (67%)
2MV Traffic
91 (8%)
MV Traffic
363 (25%)
Drowning
119 (15%)
Transportation – Other
117 (15%)
Poisoning
715 (15%)
3Drowning
45 (4%)
Fire/Burns
169 (12%)
Fire/Burns
88 (11%)
Drowning
90 (10%)
Drowning
279 (6%)
4Fire/Burns
25 (2%)
Transportation – Other
147 (10%)
Transportation – Other
68 (9%)
Fire/Burns
53 (6%)
Transportation – Other
203 (4%)
5Poisoning
22 (2%)
Suffocation
125 (9%)
Suffocation
26 (3%)
Suffocation
41 (5%)
Fall
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http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/NAP/background.html

 

 



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Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.

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Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.


 They should indeed ask about ALL of those things.

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Lawyerlady wrote:

Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.


 IMO there are other things way more important than all this stuff.



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flan327 wrote:
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Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.


 They should indeed ask about ALL of those things.

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If you want your kid, who's sick, to be treated, the pediatrician doesn't have time to ask all those questions.  Good gosh, your lucky to get 5 minutes with the doctor in the first place. Why add a burden to an already over worked doctor?



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just Czech wrote:
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Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.


 They should indeed ask about ALL of those things.

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If you want your kid, who's sick, to be treated, the pediatrician doesn't have time to ask all those questions.  Good gosh, your lucky to get 5 minutes with the doctor in the first place. Why add a burden to an already over worked doctor?


 We always had plenty of time, especially at the checkups.

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flan327 wrote:
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Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.


 They should indeed ask about ALL of those things.

flan


If you want your kid, who's sick, to be treated, the pediatrician doesn't have time to ask all those questions.  Good gosh, your lucky to get 5 minutes with the doctor in the first place. Why add a burden to an already over worked doctor?


 We always had plenty of time, especially at the checkups.

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Check ups are rarely done by the physician anymore. A nurse or aide does the real work around here. In most places as well, I think. You probably get 2 minutes of real time with a doctor during a well baby checkup anymore. 



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Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.


 Well my pediatrician had a questionnaire and it asked about smoke detectors, pets, house smokers, car seats and on and on.



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If they're going to address anything they should address over feeding babies. A newborn baby only needs a tiny bit of milk at once. But parents will expect newborns to drink four ounces right off the bat. Our nurses are now wearing a lactation bead. Basically it's a bead that shows how much milk a newborn should be drinking. Women here are taking their newborns to the ER because they are only drinking an ounce every two hours. And at three days, when they don't drink four ounces, they start pushing cereal. A lot of parents have their kids on baby food at 2-4 months. IMO, this is what a pediatrician should be talking about. More so than any of that other stuff.

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I've seen forms like that.

I answered questions that pertained to why I was there.

Generally it was name, age, and symptoms.

I leave everything else blank.

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I never fill out the "optional" information either. Well, it's "optional" in my opinion.

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huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
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My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

flan


So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

flan



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 Bull crap.  They are not.  They just want data to put into a database.  It has NOTHING to do with safety.  I can't believe you fall for that lie.  


 No sh*t



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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:

My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

flan


So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

flan



-- Edited by flan327 on Sunday 24th of January 2016 02:28:53 PM


 Bull crap.  They are not.  They just want data to put into a database.  It has NOTHING to do with safety.  I can't believe you fall for that lie.  


 No sh*t


 But if you own a gun legally, it's already on file, right?

Most of you guys keep bragging about how many guns you own. Why lie?

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Has anyone had a doctor ask about where and how you store your laundry detergents?

What about other cleaning chemicals?

Been asked about where and how you keep your alcohol?

Or how about prescription drugs?

What about the cutlery?

I haven't.

But more kids are injured or get sick and even die with those things than guns.


 We got asked all those questions the time Bunny had to go to the ER because mil thought he ate one of grandpa's pills. 

No one has ever asked about guns or seatbelts. 



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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:

My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

flan


So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

flan



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 Bull crap.  They are not.  They just want data to put into a database.  It has NOTHING to do with safety.  I can't believe you fall for that lie.  


 No sh*t


 But if you own a gun legally, it's already on file, right?

Most of you guys keep bragging about how many guns you own. Why lie?

flan


 Legally owning a gun does not necessarily mean that it is registered. This is not technically illegal, at least in Texas. 

Personally, I prefer that the government know as little of my business as possible just on principle. 



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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:
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flan327 wrote:

My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

flan


So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

flan



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 Bull crap.  They are not.  They just want data to put into a database.  It has NOTHING to do with safety.  I can't believe you fall for that lie.  


 No sh*t


 But if you own a gun legally, it's already on file, right?

Most of you guys keep bragging about how many guns you own. Why lie?

flan


 WTF are you babbling about?  Why in the hell would they be "on file"?????  And yes, mine are owned legally.  



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Tangerine wrote:
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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:

My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

flan


So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

flan



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 Bull crap.  They are not.  They just want data to put into a database.  It has NOTHING to do with safety.  I can't believe you fall for that lie.  


 No sh*t


 But if you own a gun legally, it's already on file, right?

Most of you guys keep bragging about how many guns you own. Why lie?

flan


 Legally owning a gun does not necessarily mean that it is registered. This is not technically illegal, at least in Texas. 

Personally, I prefer that the government know as little of my business as possible just on principle. 


 EXACTLY. 



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just Czech wrote:
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Pediatricians asking about guns when there are many more causes of death out there.

They should be asking about crib bumpers, pillows, bath regimens, and drugs in the house. Guns don't even register a percentage.


 They should indeed ask about ALL of those things.

flan


If you want your kid, who's sick, to be treated, the pediatrician doesn't have time to ask all those questions.  Good gosh, your lucky to get 5 minutes with the doctor in the first place. Why add a burden to an already over worked doctor?


 We always had plenty of time, especially at the checkups.

flan


Check ups are rarely done by the physician anymore. A nurse or aide does the real work around here. In most places as well, I think. You probably get 2 minutes of real time with a doctor during a well baby checkup anymore. 


 Actually I get lots of doctor time and she always asks if I have questions. The Nurse/Aide just weighs him, takes his temperature and administers the shots.



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It depends. My parents had Kaiser for a few years. Saw the doctor once during that time. I have United. Boys see the doctor mostly. Nurses give shots, take vitals. Doctors examine. As for me, I see a doctor. But when I had Aetna, it was mostly a Nurse Practitioner.

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I prefer an NP for most things. Every day, run of the mill stuff an NP is just fine.

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huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:

My co-worker is not my pediatrician.

flan


So you have to tell your pediatrician how much money is in your bank account if they ask???  That makes no sense. 


 The pediatrician, even IF mandated to ask, is trying to insure his patient's safety. Your question makes no sense.

flan



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 Bull crap.  They are not.  They just want data to put into a database.  It has NOTHING to do with safety.  I can't believe you fall for that lie.  


 No sh*t


 But if you own a gun legally, it's already on file, right?

Most of you guys keep bragging about how many guns you own. Why lie?

flan


 WTF are you babbling about?  Why in the hell would they be "on file"?????  And yes, mine are owned legally.  


 Obviously I've never bought a gun. I assumed there would be paperwork on file.

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For those that do have a weapon in the house, and the physician asks if there is a gun in the house, it is a catch 22.

If you say "yes", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.
If you say "that is none of your business", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.

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For those that do have a weapon in the house, and the physician asks if there is a gun in the house, it is a catch 22.

If you say "yes", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.
If you say "that is none of your business", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.


 And when you answer with " I firmly support and belive in my 2nd ammendment right", they look at you like you just sprouted another head and spoke in enochian.



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yup... and then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.

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Cheerios4606 wrote:

For those that do have a weapon in the house, and the physician asks if there is a gun in the house, it is a catch 22.

If you say "yes", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.
If you say "that is none of your business", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.


 Paranoid much?

Honestly, it is your LEGAL right to own a firearm. There is no "gestapo police."

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yup... and then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.


 True. No matter what, there will be a record.



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flan327 wrote:
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For those that do have a weapon in the house, and the physician asks if there is a gun in the house, it is a catch 22.

If you say "yes", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.
If you say "that is none of your business", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.


 Paranoid much?

Honestly, it is your LEGAL right to own a firearm. There is no "gestapo police."

flan


 Currently there is no gestapo here. That could change at any time. 

Have you studied much WW2 history? The SS was formed as a "protection squad". Not unlike our department of homeland security. 

No, I am not saying that homeland security and TSA are equivalent to the SS and gestapo.

Just that they could become that way. It has happened before.

 



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flan327 wrote:
Cheerios4606 wrote:

For those that do have a weapon in the house, and the physician asks if there is a gun in the house, it is a catch 22.

If you say "yes", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.
If you say "that is none of your business", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.


 Paranoid much?

Honestly, it is your LEGAL right to own a firearm. There is no "gestapo police."

flan


Sure--it's our legal right NOW, but it's EXACTLY what the gun control people want to take away.  That's not paranoid--that's  FACT. 

 

If we don't work to protect our rights--they will disappear.   



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If doctors are going to have to ask about the unlikely things that could in very rare instances be a danger, such as guns, they should also ask about the other things that could be a danger:

Has your home been meteor proofed?
Do you have a lightning rod at each corner of the home?
Is your home made out of noncombustible materials?
Do you have any matches or lighters in the house?
Do you have any crossbows, and if so, how are they stored?
and so forth


I can see a doctor visit becoming an all day event at this rate.

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Tangerine wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Cheerios4606 wrote:

For those that do have a weapon in the house, and the physician asks if there is a gun in the house, it is a catch 22.

If you say "yes", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.
If you say "that is none of your business", then they write it down on their paper that you DO have one but denied it. They then put it in their files for future judgement and admonishment by the gestapo police.


 Paranoid much?

Honestly, it is your LEGAL right to own a firearm. There is no "gestapo police."

flan


 Currently there is no gestapo here. That could change at any time. 

Have you studied much WW2 history? The SS was formed as a "protection squad". Not unlike our department of homeland security. 

No, I am not saying that homeland security and TSA are equivalent to the SS and gestapo.

Just that they could become that way. It has happened before.

 


 Yep.  And if it's our legal right, why are people asking? 

 

Kind of like it's your legal right to vote, but some people don't want to answer who they are voting for.  Which is their right.  But if they don't want to answer that question, they should understand why I don't feel compelled to answer the other.



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Doctors need to have the freedom to ask about what they think is important.

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