TOTALLY GEEKED!

A thing to ponder: if a leader believes he can get away with murder - when he's elected, he will test that hypothesis.

huskerbb wrote:

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Trump joked around about shooting someone.

Hilary made sure it actually happened.

But Trump is the "bad guy" here???

That's liberal illogic for ya.

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 It wasn't a joke, though. He was bragging about himself...he does that very well.

flan

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I do not understand why everyone is harping on about Hilary. Nobody here likes her. Nobody here is planning to vote for her.
It is as if I say I don't like oranges and grapes, but I like strawberries, and you guys are arguing about how grapes are so much better than oranges, you can believe I like the oranges better.
It is nonsensical. Sure, you can talk about Hilary, but there is no point at all to comparing her to Trump.

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 I don't believe that is true. 

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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There are what, three liberals on the board? And I haven't seen a single one praise Hilary, but at least flannikins and I like Bernie.
A few days ago some of my friends were posting their Bernie Sanders stories.
He gave his umbrella to an old teacher of mine while she was waiting for the bus once, he brought a homeless man into a deli where another friend works and bought him a cup of hot soup and a sandwich of his choosing, he has enormous respect for Veterans, and visited the father of another friend when he was in the local veterans hospital after he had surgery.
This is why Vermont loves Bernie. He is actually a good person. These stories literally go back decades. He is not respected because he deliberately bankrupts people, or because he yells the loudest or insults people the most, he is respected for his generosity, his integrity, and his passion for his people and his country.
What has Trump done for Veterans besides insult them? What does Trump do for anyone who isn't himself?
You are expecting a billionaire to care about the middle class. You are all delusional, every one of t ou.

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 You nailed it!

flan

I would rather vote for a decent human being that has consistently championed for the middle class, women, minorities and veterans than a total a$$hole that despises everyone.
And, I haven't seen anyone break down why Bernie's ideas won't work, either

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I guess no one has heard the stories of when Trump paid off people's mortgages because they stopped to help him (or his driver) change a flat tire? And this was years before he decided to run.

There are a lot of heartwarming stories out there about Trump. You just don't want to hear them.

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 Or the Marine he helped when Obama couldn't be bothered.

 

2015 Lie of the Year: the campaign misstatements of Donald Trump

By Angie Drobnic Holan, Linda Qiu on Monday, December 21st, 2015 at 11:25 a.m.


PolitiFact 2015: Lie of the Year
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PolitiFact designates the many campaign misstatements of Donald Trump as our 2015 Lie of the Year.
It’s the trope on Trump: He’s authentic, a straight-talker, less scripted than traditional politicians. That’s because Donald Trump doesn’t let facts slow him down. Bending the truth or being unhampered by accuracy is a strategy he has followed for years.

"People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That's why a little hyperbole never hurts," Trump wrote in his 1987 best-seller The Art of the Deal. "People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It's an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion."


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That philosophy guided Trump in luxury real estate and reality television. This year he brought it to the world of presidential politics.

Trump has "perfected the outrageous untruth as a campaign tool," said Michael LaBossiere, a philosophy professor at Florida A&M University who studies theories of knowledge. "He makes a clearly false or even absurdly false claim, which draws the attention of the media. He then rides that wave until it comes time to call up another one."

PolitiFact has been documenting Trump’s statements on our Truth-O-Meter, where we’ve rated 76 percent of them Mostly False, False or Pants on Fire, out of 77 statements checked. No other politician has as many statements rated so far down on the dial.

In considering our annual Lie of the Year, we found our only real contenders were Trump’s -- his various statements also led our Readers’ Poll. But it was hard to single one out from the others. So we have rolled them into one big trophy.

To the candidate who says he’s all about winning, PolitiFact designates the many campaign misstatements of Donald Trump as our 2015 Lie of the Year.

When it comes to inaccurate statements, the Donald was on fire:

• "I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," he said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering." Pants on Fire. There is no video of thousands of people in Jersey City cheering. Weeks later, Trump continues to stand by his claim but has not been able to point to evidence to back it up. Public safety officials on the ground in New Jersey say it never happened.

• "The Mexican government ... they send the bad ones over." Pants on Fire. There’s no evidence to show the Mexican government encourages criminals to cross the border. Most illegal immigration comes from people seeking work. Recent estimates show illegal immigration from Mexico dropped off dramatically during the recession and has remained low.

• "Whites killed by whites — 16%. Whites killed by blacks — 81%," said an image he shared on Twitter. Pants on Fire. Most people are killed by someone they know, and someone of the same race. The correct number for whites killed by whites was 82 percent in 2014, while the number of whites killed by blacks was 15 percent.

When Bill O’Reilly of Fox News challenged Trump’s tweet of inaccurate murder rates, Trump suggested being accurate wasn’t so important: "Hey, Bill, Bill, am I gonna check every statistic? I get millions and millions of people ... @RealDonaldTrump, by the way."

Trump hasn’t apologized or backtracked on his statements. Instead, when challenged, he offers flimsy explanations and suggests he shouldn’t be held accountable -- or simply insists he’s right.

"People maybe call me out, but they turn out to be wrong, also," he said in an interview Sunday with George Stephanopoulos. "And many of the things I've said -- and I think just about all of them -- they may have been controversial at one point, George, but they're not controversial in the end, because people start to say, you know, Trump's actually right."

From the get-go

Our first fact-check of Trump was in 2011, when he was toying with a 2012 White House bid and giving support to those who said President Barack Obama might not have been born in the United States. Trump claimed that people who went to school with Obama "never saw him." We rated that Pants on Fire, because many journalists had found and interviewed Obama’s college friends.

We fact-checked Trump 13 more times before his 2016 bid, awarding him a couple more Pants on Fire and False ratings.

When Trump declared his candidacy on June 16, 2015, PolitiFact looked at five statements from his announcement speech. All of them were inaccurate.

Since then, Trump’s misstatements have had range and diversity.

He talked about foreign policy: "If you're from Syria and you're a Christian, you cannot come into this country, and they're the ones that are being decimated. If you are Islamic ... it's hard to believe, you can come in so easily," Trump said in a speech in Las Vegas on July 11. "In fact, it's one of our main groups of people that are coming in."

This is wrong on its face -- Syrian Christians have been admitted as refugees in recent months. There’s nothing in U.S. law or regulation that discriminates against Christian refugees. We rated the claim False.

He tangled with Fox News’ Megyn Kelly at the first Republican debate on Aug. 6, when she challenged him with how he talks about women. "You’ve called women you don’t like ‘fat pigs,’ ‘dogs,’ ‘slobs,’ and ‘disgusting animals,’ " Kelly said. "Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women’s looks. You once told a contestant on The Celebrity Apprentice it would be a ‘pretty picture’ to see her on her knees. Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president? And how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who was likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the 'war on women'?"

Trump dismissed her question, and later said its premise was wrong. "Well, some of the things that she said, I didn't say, okay?" Trump said when asked about it by Chuck Todd on Meet the Press. "And she went through a whole list. And this is a hell of a first question, by the way."

Actually, Trump said exactly what Kelly mentioned, and it’s clearly documented. We rated his denial False.

A few weeks later, he got his facts wrong on economic policy. "Look, we’re the most highly taxed nation in the world — that’s why taxes have to go down, business has to come back, jobs have to be back," he said in an Aug. 24 interview on Fox News. But depending on the measurement you use on taxation, the United States is either in the middle of the pack or on the lighter end when compared with other advanced industrialized nations. We rated his claim False.

The debate over Trump-speak

Initially, Trump’s bombast was ridiculed as the stuff of entertainment. But as his status as a GOP presidential frontrunner took greater hold, the criticism has become more serious.

"Some of Trump’s untrue claims fall into the harmful category," said LaBossiere of Florida A&M University. "His claim about thousands of people celebrating on 9/11 feeds into fear, racism and religious intolerance."

Russell Moore, a prominent conservative evangelical leader with the Southern Baptist Convention, has called Trump’s proposals reckless, demagogic and divisive. Moore wrote in a New York Times column that Trump’s rhetoric "preys on turning economic insecurity into ugly ‘us versus them’ identity politics."

A growing percentage of the American electorate is nonwhite, and Republicans are fighting to capture part of that vote. Trump’s comments don’t help those efforts, said Daniel Garza, executive director of the Libre Initiative, a group funded by the billionaire Koch brothers that aims to promote conservative values among Latino voters.

"He’s doing miserably with Latino voters because his campaign narrative isn’t inclusive. You’re seeing Latino voters distancing themselves from his candidacy," Garza said, calling Trump’s rhetoric on immigration "unproductive."

Trump’s recent proposal to ban all Muslims from entering the United States has tipped party leaders and GOP candidates toward harsher criticism.

At a debate last week in Las Vegas, Jeb Bush went after Trump directly: "So Donald, you know, is great at the one-liners, but he's a chaos candidate. And he'd be a chaos president. He would not be the commander-in-chief we need to keep our country safe."

Trump’s response was to mock Bush for being behind in the polls: "Jeb doesn't really believe I'm unhinged. He said that very simply because he has failed in this campaign. It's been a total disaster."

Republican strategist Rick Wilson said the party is right to worry about Trump’s rhetoric, because it’s "highly negative, deeply pessimistic, and profoundly nasty." Trump’s many misstatements reduce Republican credibility across the board, he said.

Some groups are beginning to spend money attacking Trump. A super PAC supporting Ohio Gov. John Kasich, a Republican rival, has run a series of attack ads against Trump. The anti-tax advocacy group Club for Growth spent $1 million in the fall running 30-second spots in Iowa slamming Trump’s support for liberal policies.

In what has become his standard response, Trump punched back, mocking Kasich’s small crowds and calling the Club for Growth "pathetic" on Twitter. For the record, out of the one True and five Mostly True ratings Trump has logged, three were attacks on rival Republican candidates who challenged him. (Another two came before Trump announced he was running for president.)

Though his 9/11 claim and crime statistic retweet were widely reported on, many of Trump’s other misstatements got lost in the fray. Here are three others you probably haven’t heard of:

• June 16: "The last quarter, it was just announced, our gross domestic product … was below zero. Who ever heard of this? It’s never below zero." Pants on Fire. The gross domestic product was not "zero," and the growth in the gross domestic product has been below zero 42 times over 68 years.

• Sept. 28: The unemployment rate may be as high as "42 percent." Pants on Fire. The highest alternative unemployment-rate measure we could come up with that had any credibility was 14.8 percent.

• Nov. 17: The federal government is sending Syrian refugees to states with governors who are "Republicans, not to the Democrats." Pants on Fire. Refugees are in fact sent to states with Democratic governors.

Trump’s poll position

Norman Ornstein, a scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, sees a couple of forces that have been at play for years when it comes to Trump: the desensitization to inflammatory rhetoric, the assault on science and expertise, and the increasing reliance on partisan media.

"Trump came into an environment that was ripe for bombastic, inflammatory, outrageous statements without having to suffer the consequences," Ornstein said.

Amos Kiewe, a professor of communications at Syracuse University, has written books about the rhetoric of Ronald Reagan and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. He said Trump relies on bluster to make points. "In a roundabout-way, it reminds me of rule No. 7 of persuasion," Kiewe said. "If the facts are on your side, then hammer the fact; if the opinions are on your side then, hammer the opinions; and if neither the facts nor the opinions are on your side, then hammer the table."

As of Monday, Trump was in first place among Republican-leaning voters with 34 percent support, according to Real Clear Politics’ national polling average. Experts speculate that this is because Trump’s supporters, like their candidate, don’t mind the hyperbole.

While that lead is outwardly impressive in 2015, it remains to be seen what will happen in 2016, when voters actually cast their ballots.

Ornstein noted that even if 30 to 40 percent of Republican-leaning voters support Trump, that’s still a fraction of the overall electorate. And outside his party, Trump’s misstatements may come back to haunt him.

"Clearly a lot of voters still care about the truth. What we don’t know at this point is what share that is. But I have to remain a skeptic that (Trump) can win the general election," Ornstein said. "In the general election, the loose connection that he, or many other candidates, have to the truth becomes a problem."

Trump seems aware of this, as he writes in The Art of the Deal:

"You can't con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on."

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Donald Trump Dominates List Of 2015's Biggest Lies
It's been a banner year for political whoppers.
Dec 21, 2015
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It’s been a banner year for political whoppers — and for one teller of tall tales in particular: Donald Trump.

In the 12 years of FactCheck.org’s existence, we’ve never seen his match.

He stands out not only for the sheer number of his factually false claims, but also for his brazen refusals to admit error when proven wrong.

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He is by no means the only one telling whoppers, of course. Once again this year there are plenty of politicians, in both parties, who hope voters will swallow their deceptive claims. Hillary Clinton, for one, said she was “transparent” about her use of a private email server, when in fact she wasn’t. That was one of the bogus claims she made about her unusual email arrangement while secretary of state.

But Trump topped them all when he claimed to have seen nonexistent television coverage of “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey cheering the collapse of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11 — and then topped himself by demanding that fact-checkers apologize for exposing his claim as fantasy. And that’s only one example.

Here we’ve assembled, as we do every year at this time, a generous sampling of the most far-fetched, distorted or downright fallacious claims made during 2015.

In past years, we’ve not singled out a single claim or a single person, and have left it to readers to judge which whoppers they consider most egregious.

But this year the evidence is overwhelming and, in our judgment, conclusive. So, for the first time, we confer the title “King of Whoppers.”

Trump’s Falsehoods

We won’t get into Trump’s controversial policy positions; it’s not a fact-checker’s role to offer opinions on whether it’s a good idea or a bad idea for the federal government to bar Muslims from entering the United States or to kill the families of terrorists, for example. What we focus on here are some of the many cases where he’s just wrong on the facts.

We start with his Nov. 21 claim to have watched on television as “thousands and thousands” of Muslims in New Jersey were “cheering” the fall of the World Trade Center on Sept. 11, 2001. Multiple news organizations and the New Jersey attorney general’s office searched for evidence of public celebrations at the time of 9/11 and found none.

“Never happened,” former state Attorney General John J. Farmer, a Republican appointee who later served as a senior counsel to the 9/11 Commission,wrote in response to Trump.

In a tweet, Trump demanded an apology, citing as evidence one news story about an alleged incident that was unattributed, unverified and not televised. One of the reporters on that story said he visited the “Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened,” but he could “never verify that report.”

And Trump’s false claim about “thousands and thousands” of Muslims is just part of a pattern of inflammatory claims with little or no basis in fact. Here are some more — and it’s not an exhaustive list.

Trump boasted that he “predicted Osama bin Laden.” Nope. The book Trump published in 2000 mentioned bin Laden once, and predicted nothing about bin Laden’s future plans.
Trump “heard” that Obama is “thinking about signing an executive order where he wants to take your guns away.” If so, he misheard. What Obama reportedly considered was requiring large-volume private gun dealers to conduct background checks, not confiscating firearms from those who own them.
Trump said he “heard” the Obama administration plans to accept 200,000 Syrian refugees — even upping that wildly inaccurate number to 250,000 in another speech.Nope and nope. The number is about 10,000.
Trump said he got to know Putin “very well” while the two were on CBS’ “60 Minutes.”Nope. The two men were interviewed separately, in different countries thousands of miles apart.
Trump claimed his campaign is “100 percent” self-funded. Nope. At the time, more than 50 percent of his campaign’s funds had come from outside contributors.
Trump said his tax plan is revenue neutral. Nope. The pro-business Tax Foundationestimated the Trump plan would reduce revenues to the Treasury by more than $10 trillion over 10 years, even assuming his plan would create economic growth.
Trump told the story of a 2-year old who got autism a week after the child got a vaccine. But there’s no evidence of such a link. The study that claimed to have found a link between vaccines and autism has been exposed as an “elaborate fraud.” It was retracted five years ago by the journal that published it, and the author was stripped of his license to practice medicine in Britain.
Trump said Mexico doesn’t have a birthright citizenship policy. It does.
Trump claimed credit for getting Ford Motor Co. to move a plant from Mexico to Ohio.Ford says that’s baloney; it made the decision years before Trump even announced his run for president.
Trump denied that he ever called female adversaries some of these things: “fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals.” He used all of those terms.
Trump said in June “there are no jobs” to be had, when official statistics were showing 5.4 million job openings — the most in 15 years.
Trump claimed economic growth in the U.S. has “never” been below zero — until the third quarter of 2015. “Who ever heard of this?” he asked. Except it’s not unheard of. Economic growth has been below zero 42 times since 1946.
Trump, Carson on 9/11 ‘Celebrations,’ Nov. 24

Trump’s bin Laden ‘Prediction,’ Dec. 2

Trump ‘Hears’ Obama Wants to Take Guns, Oct. 22

Trump Gets Refugee Numbers Wrong, Oct. 4

Facts about the Syrian Refugees, Nov. 23

Trump vs. Fiorina: Who Knows Putin Best? Nov. 11

FactChecking the CNBC Debates, Oct. 29

Is Trump’s Tax Plan Revenue Neutral? Oct. 1

FactChecking the CNN Republican Debate, Sept. 17

Trump on Birthright Citizenship, Aug. 25

Trump’s Bogus Boast on Ford, Oct. 26

Trump’s Amnesia, Aug. 11

Trump Tramples Facts, June 16

This is just a sampling of the falsehoods and exaggerations that lead us to award our “King of Whoppers” title to Trump. See our full and up-to-the-minute file on him for more.

Clinton’s Whoppers

But enough about the Republican front-runner. Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton has told some whoppers, too.

Her Private Email Account: Several of them regard the former secretary of state’s problematic use of a private email server for both her personal and official communication.

Clinton said in July that she “had done what other secretaries of state have done.” That’s not so. The State Department in October 2014 sent letters to three other previous secretaries: Madeleine Albright, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice. Only Powell used personal email for official business. None of them had their own servers.
Clinton later said her personal email account was “allowed by the State Department.” Federal rules permitted the practice if work emails were preserved before she left office. But Clinton did not turn over her emails until 21 months after she left office.
Clinton said “turning over my server” to the government shows “I have been as transparent as I could” about her emails. But she did so in August — after the FBI opened an investigation into possible mishandling of classified information. Months earlier — in March — she had rejected calls to turn over the server to a neutral party, saying “the server will remain private.”
Clinton said “everybody in government with whom I emailed knew that I was using a personal email.” Perhaps so. But even President Obama said he did not know that she conducted all her government business using her personal email account and private server.
Clinton Spins Immigration, Emails, July 8

More Spin on Clinton Emails, Sept. 8

Phantom ISIS Videos: Clinton also made up a claim about terrorists using Trump in recruiting videos. During the Dec. 19 Democratic debate, she said that Islamic State recruiters were “going to people showing videos of Donald Trump insulting Islam and Muslims,” but her campaign could produce no evidence that any such videos exist.

The best that her campaign aides could do was to cite an NBC News article quoting an expert as predicting that Trump’s remarks would “surely” show up in Islamic State social media. The article, however, contained no evidence that it has happened and made no mention of any video. Spokeswoman Jennifer Palmieri later conceded that Clinton was “not referring to a specific video.” ABC News quoted White House and National Security Council aides as saying they are unaware of any examples of the Islamic State group using Trump in videos.

FactChecking the Third Democratic Debate, Dec. 20

Benghazi: On a subject intensely scrutinized by Republicans, Clinton said in October that all of the government investigations into the terrorist attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi concluded that “nobody did anything wrong.” Not quite. An accountability board that Clinton herself appointed found “systemic failures and leadership and management deficiencies at senior levels.” On the day the report came out, four State Department employees were placed on administrative leave, and all four were later reassigned.

Clinton and the Benghazi Reports, Oct. 7

Charter Schools: Clinton said “most charter schools … don’t take the hardest-to-teach kids. Or if they do, they don’t keep them.” But her campaign could not provide any evidence for such a sweeping claim. In fact, the campaign cited a Washington Post article about the rate of expulsions in Washington, D.C., but the Post wrote: “Many charter schools — 60 out of 97 campuses — did not expel students in 2011-12.” That not only doesn’t support Clinton’s claim, it is evidence that helps to refute it.

Clinton’s Charter School Exaggeration, Nov. 12

Other Democratic Whoppers

Clinton’s Democratic rivals for the 2016 presidential nomination weren’t innocent, either.

Sanders on Social Security: Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont dusted off a shopworn Democratic whopper when he insisted in October that Social Security hasn’t contributed “one penny” — or “one nickel” — to the deficit. In fact, it contributed $73 billion to the deficit in 2014.

Sanders Misleads on Social Security, Oct. 12

Sanders on Inequality: Sanders said in May that “in America we now have more income and wealth inequality than any other major country on earth.” Actually, the World Bank estimated that at least 41 countries had greater income inequality than the U.S. As for the share of wealth held by the top 1 percent, the U.S. ranked 16th out of 46 economies included in the Global Wealth Databook.

Sanders Exaggerates Inequality, May 28

Sanders on Climate Link to Terrorism: Sanders said “climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism.” The Department of Defense has referred to climate change as a “ ‘threat multiplier’ — because it has the potential to exacerbate many of the challenges we are dealing with today – from infectious disease to terrorism.” As for the current rise in terrorism, one study concluded that climate change likely worsened a drought in Syria and contributed to instability there. But the report stopped short of drawing a direct causal link between climate change and the Syrian civil war, let alone between climate change and terrorism.

Sanders on Climate Link to Terrorism, Nov. 17

O’Malley on Wages: In October, former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley claimed that “70 percent of us are earning the same, or less than we were 12 years ago.” Not true. Average weekly earnings for rank-and-file workers are up 5.8 percent, according to Labor Department statistics.

FactChecking the Democratic Debate, Oct. 14

Other Republican Whoppers

Fiorina on Planned Parenthood Video: Carly Fiorina falsely claimed that Planned Parenthood videos released by an anti-abortion group showed “a fully formed fetus on the table, its heart beating, its legs kicking while someone says we have to keep it alive to harvest its brain.” But that scene isn’t in any of the videos. She continued to insist that she had “seen the footage” after her vivid description was shown to be false.

Fiorina on Job Losses: Fiorina claimed that 92 percent of the job losses in President Obama’s first term belonged to women, but women — and men — gained jobs by the end of Obama’s first term. After initially sticking by the claim the day after the debate, Fiorina relented and admitted she had “misspoken.” She said, “Well, in this particular case the fact-checkers are correct.”

FactChecking the CNN Republican Debate, Sept. 17

Doubling Down on Falsehoods, Sept. 22.

FactChecking the CNBC Debates, Oct. 29

Cruz on Refugees: Sen. Ted Cruz falsely claimed the 2013 immigration bill Sen. Marco Rubio cosponsored “would have dramatically expanded President Obama’s authority to admit Syrian refugees with no background checks whatsoever.” Not so. The bill would have made it easier for members of certain groups designated by the president to qualify as refugees, but they would still be subject to the required background checks before they could come to the U.S.

Cruz on Hispanic Unemployment: Cruz said “Hispanic unemployment has gone up” under Obama. Actually, it’s the reverse. The number and the rate of unemployed Hispanics are both down.

Cruz Attacks Rubio on Refugees, Dec. 10

Cruz Off on Hispanic Unemployment, July 9

Carson on Choosing to Be Gay in Prison: Ben Carson claimed that being gay is “absolutely” a choice, and as proof he said “a lot of people” go into prison and change their sexual orientation while incarcerated. There is no evidence to support these claims.

Carson on Illegal Immigration: Carson said that “a lot” of the people captured crossing the U.S. border and then released are from Iraq, Somalia and Russia. He’s wrong. Federal statistics show that number is less than 1 percent.

Carson on Syrian Refugees: Carson said that the majority of Syrian refugees are “young males.” But the United Nations’ figures showed that women outnumber men, and children 11 years old and younger, male and female, account for 38.5 percent of all refugees.

Carson’s Missteps on Sexual Orientation, March 6

Carson on Border Apprehensions, Oct. 2

Stretching Facts on Syrian Refugees, Sept. 15

Bush on Climate Change: Jeb Bush claimed that the science is unclear as to how much humans contribute to global warming. The United Nations climate change research organization, however, said it was “extremely likely” that more than half of the warming since 1950 is due to human activities.

Jeb Bush Off on Contributions to Warming, May 22

For fact-checkers, 2015 has been a whopper of a year. We hope we won’t see another like it, or feel compelled to name another King of Whoppers, for a long Blake Speechless
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Good job, Dona!

(But you might as well post pictures of Fred...)

flan

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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I would rather vote for a decent human being that has consistently championed for the middle class, women, minorities and veterans than a total a$$hole that despises everyone.
And, I haven't seen anyone break down why Bernie's ideas won't work, either

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Yes, you have.  You just poopoo them.   

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 Where and when? People make vague statements about how he will destroy the economy or is incompentant,  but never any details

Yes because Socialist. I don't want a Socialist government. Too many people expecting everything free already.

I don't work hard so I can pay for slackers.

Not deflecting from Trump. Just saying why I don't want socialism. And Bernie wants that. So I don't want Bernie. It's as simple as that. I want America to be great again. Not trying to make it Canada.

I think most of the conservatives on the board have said Trump is not thier first choice, or even the second choice, for many. But even an egotistical miserly ass is better than anyone the Democratic party is putting forth. This election needs to be about the economy, foriegn policy and immigration. Those are pretty much the only issues that matter.

He's my first choice. I think he is the right man at the right time.

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I think most of the conservatives on the board have said Trump is not thier first choice, or even the second choice, for many. But even an egotistical miserly ass is better than anyone the Democratic party is putting forth. This election needs to be about the economy, foriegn policy and immigration. Those are pretty much the only issues that matter.

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 No, most of the conservatives on the board have said Trump is their first choice.  You excluded.  My first choice was Carson but I knew early on he wouldn't make it to the end.  I adore him.  Read his book.  I think he's extremely intelligent.  More than people give him credit for.  But he doesn't stand a chance.  I can get behind Cruz or Rubio.  I can't get behind Trump no matter what.

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Most?  Who?  There are a couple, but almost all the discussions have been about what if it comes down to him.   

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But...but...didn't some one post that under Bernie, tax rates would be 90%? 

So much for that.

Yet Obamas own brother lived in a grass hut. Uh huh.

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I guess no one has heard the stories of when Trump paid off people's mortgages because they stopped to help him (or his driver) change a flat tire? And this was years before he decided to run.

There are a lot of heartwarming stories out there about Trump. You just don't want to hear them.

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I guess no one has heard about Trump wanting to take the homes of poor widows and farmers, because his limo parking and golf courses are so much more important than the homes of "peasants". 

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 When you actually research these "heartwarming stories" there is no truth in them.  They are made up stories.  And yes, Trump has tried, and at time, succeeded in taking people's homes for golf courses and other "important" things.  I am not sure why the fact that Obama treated his brother poorly even plays into this discussion.  All you're saying is Trump treated people poorly and so did Obama.  Not even sure where the logic is there.  It's like a child saying you lie so can I.

Maryanne Trump Barry, Donald Trump's sister, is a Senior United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit.  She has helped pioneer the partial birth abortion movement and Trump has promised her a place in his presidency. 

Did anyone read Trump's book?  He talks about how great Obama is and how he loves his politics.  He says what a good president he is and how he should be praised.  He says his policies are something admire.

Don't forget that Bernie is a socialist, NJN.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Don't forget that Bernie is a socialist, NJN.

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 Yes, I realize that.  But he's the devil because he's a Dem.  Maybe he should offer to shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Nobody Just Nobody wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Don't forget that Bernie is a socialist, NJN.

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 Yes, I realize that.  But he's the devil because he's a Dem.  Maybe he should offer to shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue.

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Hillary?   

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 I'd be okay with that!

In my opinion, we need that kind of aggressive leader.

You can not deny Trump has an incredible business mind.

Yes. He is arrogant.

Yes. He is brash.

Yes. He is outspoken.

And that is exactly what we need.

Someone who knows how to grow something, not apologize and cower and bend over backwards to tear down.