TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

RE: A Win for Planned Parenthood

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
just Czech wrote:
So, undercover journalism is now illegal?

Hmm, guess that would of solved Nixon's problem with Watergate..
No, it's legal when the Left does it to expose something on the right. Then, it's OK.

You would have to ask the Grand Jury in this case...

flan

weltschmerz · Guru

Lindley wrote:
I say bring it on. Let the world know what planned parenthood is about. I hate abortion. I'm against hurting any living being whether it is a animal or innocent baby. I can't reconcile in my mind why it's horrible to kill/torture a animal but it is ok to harm/torture a innocent baby.

So, you don't eat meat?

Tinydancer · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Lindley wrote:
I say bring it on. Let the world know what planned parenthood is about. I hate abortion. I'm against hurting any living being whether it is a animal or innocent baby. I can't reconcile in my mind why it's horrible to kill/torture a animal but it is ok to harm/torture a innocent baby.
So, you don't eat meat?

So, you think animals equate with humans?

Empyreal · Senior Member

They are heroes. I am glad they caught these sadistic creeps on film to show the world what is going on.

For the people who sympathize with the people selling the body parts, would you feel the same way if somebody falsified paperwork to get into North Korea and expose the abuse and control that their government perpetrates upon its population? How about people who took unauthorized photographs of the holocaust? They broke the rules!

It takes people that are willing to fight for what's right. Babies are being torn apart methodically so that their in-tact body parts can be sold. They don't spare the baby any suffering, even if they have to grab it by the feet and cut them starting at the ankles. Babies respond to pain in the womb. If you think this is not a problem, you are a sick sick individual. SICK.

http://www.womenbetrayed.com/education/

This website gives a rundown of all of the information gathered by this group who infiltrated PP.

WAKE UP.

Empyreal · Senior Member

weltschmerz wrote:
Lindley wrote:
I say bring it on. Let the world know what planned parenthood is about. I hate abortion. I'm against hurting any living being whether it is a animal or innocent baby. I can't reconcile in my mind why it's horrible to kill/torture a animal but it is ok to harm/torture a innocent baby.
So, you don't eat meat?

I personally do eat meat.

IF however, I find out that the slaughter house is abusing the animals and not harvesting them in a humane manner, I feel that those people should be in huge trouble. That is NOT okay.

We are a civilized nation. We will not tolerate savage disgusting behavior.

Empyreal · Senior Member

If you found out our government was gathering up black people and killing them and somebody infiltrated the department responsible for that, would you be mad at the people who exposed it? Or would you be mad at the government?

Get real with the hoity-toity "You broke the rules.... you should be punished!"

It's back asswards.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

You're welcome to your opinion.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

I agree 10000% with Empy.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
I agree 10000% with Empy.

I know you do, but at least you don't call anyone who is "Pro-Choice" a sick, sick individual.

flan

p.s. I forget that last SICK...

weltschmerz · Guru

Empyreal wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lindley wrote:
I say bring it on. Let the world know what planned parenthood is about. I hate abortion. I'm against hurting any living being whether it is a animal or innocent baby. I can't reconcile in my mind why it's horrible to kill/torture a animal but it is ok to harm/torture a innocent baby.
So, you don't eat meat?
I personally do eat meat.
IF however, I find out that the slaughter house is abusing the animals and not harvesting them in a humane manner, I feel that those people should be in huge trouble. That is NOT okay.
We are a civilized nation. We will not tolerate savage disgusting behavior.

Have you been to a factory farm, industrial feedlot, foie gras farm or chicken farm?

It's tolerated all the time.

Mellow Momma · Sniff...sniff, sniff. Yay! A Bum!

Not to mention an industrial commercial slaughterhouse. It's stomach churning.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I refuse to get teary eyed over an animal while it's considered acceptable to rip an unborn baby apart simple because it is inconvenient.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Being "legal" and being ethical and moral are not the same thing. The goal was to expose the unethical practices of PP.
- Lawyerlady

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I don't think it's possible to "expose the unethical practices" of anyone if you act in an unethical manner and fabricate your proof.

Mr. Daleiden admitted, in a CNN interview, that the video of the so-called aborted fetus was actually the fetus of a miscarriage.

I'm not defending abortion as a good thing, because it's not, but I don't think you get to shine a light on someone if your own light's lens is covered in your own darkness.

Lindley · Guru

Empyreal wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Lindley wrote:
I say bring it on. Let the world know what planned parenthood is about. I hate abortion. I'm against hurting any living being whether it is a animal or innocent baby. I can't reconcile in my mind why it's horrible to kill/torture a animal but it is ok to harm/torture a innocent baby.
So, you don't eat meat?
I personally do eat meat.
IF however, I find out that the slaughter house is abusing the animals and not harvesting them in a humane manner, I feel that those people should be in huge trouble. That is NOT okay.
We are a civilized nation. We will not tolerate savage disgusting behavior.

I agree with empyreal. I was in full agreement with you weltschmerz about the circus animals. A animal is killed humanely for food unlike a unborn child whose limbs are torn apart.

Empyreal · Senior Member

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
I agree 10000% with Empy.
I know you do, but at least you don't call anyone who is "Pro-Choice" a sick, sick individual.
flan
p.s. I forget that last SICK...

Show me where I said anybody pro-choice is sick. Even once.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Just a reminder that the VAST majority of abortions take place before sixteen weeks, and only 2% take place after 20 weeks, and of that 2%, the majority (I don't remember exactly, but it was over 95%) are for medical reasons.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Just a reminder that the VAST majority of abortions take place before sixteen weeks, and only 2% take place after 20 weeks, and of that 2%, the majority (I don't remember exactly, but it was over 95%) are for medical reasons.

Then it shouldn't be a big deal to limit it to 16 weeks, now should it?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And just a reminder, with a failure rate of less than 2%, 98% of those abortions could have been avoided in the first place.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Just a reminder that the VAST majority of abortions take place before sixteen weeks, and only 2% take place after 20 weeks, and of that 2%, the majority (I don't remember exactly, but it was over 95%) are for medical reasons.
Then it shouldn't be a big deal to limit it to 16 weeks, now should it?

I would say 20, with anything after that (because there is a test at 20 weeks that can show health issues, I my understanding ) under a doctors order.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Just a reminder that the VAST majority of abortions take place before sixteen weeks, and only 2% take place after 20 weeks, and of that 2%, the majority (I don't remember exactly, but it was over 95%) are for medical reasons.

Oh baloney.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
And just a reminder, with a failure rate of less than 2%, 98% of those abortions could have been avoided in the first place.

Which specific method of birth control are you referring to?

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And just a reminder, with a failure rate of less than 2%, 98% of those abortions could have been avoided in the first place.
Which specific method of birth control are you referring to?
flan

That would be the condom, the IUD, the patch, depo provera, BCPs, Nuva-ring, and even the Symptothermal method.

Almost all of them.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Just a reminder that the VAST majority of abortions take place before sixteen weeks, and only 2% take place after 20 weeks, and of that 2%, the majority (I don't remember exactly, but it was over 95%) are for medical reasons.
Oh baloney.

Look it up.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

According to what I see, condoms are 82% effective, the Syptothermal method depends on how many symptoms the woman tracks, but the pill CAN BE UP TO 99% effective, so you're right there.

The other methods you mentioned are good, too, but some women cannot tolerate them or are not aware that they are less effective with certain medications.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Well, well, well.....seems one of the staff attorneys at the DA's office that is handling this sits on the board of Planned Parenthood. Anybody know how the Grand Jury works? The prosecutor gets to provide any info they want and there is no defense.

And this is just the local office. The State of Texas is continuing to investigate. So, really not sure how much of a "win" this is.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

No response to that, huh?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

flan327 wrote:
According to what I see, condoms are 82% effective, the Syptothermal method depends on how many symptoms the woman tracks, but the pill CAN BE UP TO 99% effective, so you're right there.

The other methods you mentioned are good, too, but some women cannot tolerate them or are not aware that they are less effective with certain medications.

flan

Oh FFS. 57 MILLION abortions to condom failures. Sure flan. What hogwash.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Well, the articles I was reading the other night said that more than one investigation had already concluded, including the one instigated by the person hoping to throw the book at PP.
So, I guess we will see how it all shakes out.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Yes, because taking down someone filming what is ACTUALLY happening is far more important than the people murdering children.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
flan327 wrote:
According to what I see, condoms are 82% effective, the Syptothermal method depends on how many symptoms the woman tracks, but the pill CAN BE UP TO 99% effective, so you're right there.

The other methods you mentioned are good, too, but some women cannot tolerate them or are not aware that they are less effective with certain medications.

flan
Oh FFS. 57 MILLION abortions to condom failures. Sure flan. What hogwash.

Did I say that? Nope. But to claim that ALL methods of BC are practically foolproof is not true.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Well, the articles I was reading the other night said that more than one investigation had already concluded, including the one instigated by the person hoping to throw the book at PP.
So, I guess we will see how it all shakes out.

I read that as well.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Well, the articles I was reading the other night said that more than one investigation had already concluded, including the one instigated by the person hoping to throw the book at PP.
So, I guess we will see how it all shakes out.

WASHINGTON, Jan. 26, 2016 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- The American Center for Law & Justice (ACLJ) said today the refusal of a local grand jury in Texas to indict Planned Parenthood for its scheme to sell baby parts is "very troubling" and raises serious questions about the legal system. In addition to refusing to indict Planned Parenthood, the Harris County, TX grand jury indicted two pro-life investigative journalists who exposed Planned Parenthood's scheme to sell human organs.

"What happened in Texas is very troubling," said Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, which is involved in defending human life. "By giving Planned Parenthood a pass and indicting two pro-life journalists who merely revealed this horrific practice through their undercover work, the action of this local grand jury raises serious questions about the appropriate use of our legal system."

Sekulow added: "When you consider the fact that one of the prosecutors in the Harris County district attorney's office is deeply involved with Planned Parenthood – serving as a board member for the local Planned Parenthood affiliate in Texas where the undercover investigation took place – along with the fact that she has served as an active fundraiser for Planned Parenthood for years – you have to ask the question – was this probe tainted? Was there a conflict of interest that produced a biased result?"

Other investigations into Planned Parenthood's actions are still underway and officials in Texas say the grand jury action will have no bearing on their probe as it continues to move forward.

"The fact remains that the videos exposed the horrific nature of abortion and the shameful disregard for human life of the abortion industry," said Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton.

The two pro-life journalists indicted are members of the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) which produced a number of undercover videos revealing the horrific actions of the abortion industry.

CMP has been sued by both the National Abortion Federation and Planned Parenthood. The ACLJ is defending former CMP board member and head of Operation Rescue Troy Newman in that litigation.

Led by Chief Counsel Jay Sekulow, the American Center for Law & Justice is headquartered in Washington, D.C. and online at aclj.org.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

This prosecutor's office should be investigated.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lawyerlady wrote:
This prosecutor's office should be investigated.

Why WASN'T it Co sidereal conflict if interests?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
This prosecutor's office should be investigated.
Why WASN'T it Co sidereal conflict if interests?

They said they would "shield" that DA from the case.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

Question for the Pro-Life members on the board:

If you truly believe that abortion is murder how to you still associate and talk to people who "support murders or are murders" themselves? I mean if you knew someone that went around supporting the right to kill 2 year olds you'd having nothing to do with them right?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

One slight nit-pick, Bonny:

It's not "Pro-Life," it's "Anti-Abortion."

flan

Tinydancer · Guru

So if it's anti- abortion it must be pro-abortion.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Are you asking how, I'll say myself cause I can't answer for others, I talk to and befriend someone who has had or who supports abortion?

Well, if we were judged on our past, would we ever have friends? I mean, a lot of people don't know I have a felony.

I don't tell everyone. But those I have told, have watched me change and grow.

Do I know people who support a woman's right to abortion? Yes. That's their right. They can have those opinions and support their causes. Just like I can mine.

If I knew a person was continually having abortion after abortion cause they can't be bothered to use BC, no, I don't think I could be friends with them.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Are you asking how, I'll say myself cause I can't answer for others, I talk to and befriend someone who has had or who supports abortion?

Well, if we were judged on our past, would we ever have friends? I mean, a lot of people don't know I have a felony.

I don't tell everyone. But those I have told, have watched me change and grow.

Do I know people who support a woman's right to abortion? Yes. That's their right. They can have those opinions and support their causes. Just like I can mine.

If I knew a person was continually having abortion after abortion cause they can't be bothered to use BC, no, I don't think I could be friends with them.

I guess I just don't understand how you could support someone having an opinion like that if you truly thought it was that horrible of an act.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

How is being a friend supporting an opinion?

I can be a friend and support the person without agreeing with everything they think, say or do.

FNW · Guru

WWJD.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

And I've only known about 1 person having an abortion, ever.

There may have been others but I don't know about it.

It isn't really the first thing you'd tell someone, now is it?

Would you knowingly go to dinner with someone with a 25 yr old criminal background?

If you didn't know about it, does it matter?

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
How is being a friend supporting an opinion?

I can be a friend and support the person without agreeing with everything they think, say or do.

Ok, let me phrase it a different way. What if your friend was beating their kids everynight and it was legal to do so. Would you still be their friend?

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
And I've only known about 1 person having an abortion, ever.

There may have been others but I don't know about it.

It isn't really the first thing you'd tell someone, now is it?

Would you knowingly go to dinner with someone with a 25 yr old criminal background?

If you didn't know about it, does it matter?

If you do know about it and the crime is super abhorrent to your moral view points it could matter.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
How is being a friend supporting an opinion?

I can be a friend and support the person without agreeing with everything they think, say or do.

Ok, let me phrase it a different way. What if your friend was beating their kids everynight and it was legal to do so. Would you still be their friend?

No.

You are talking about an ongoing situation.

Like I said, if I know someone is using abortion as BC, I wouldn't continue the friendship.

Bonny22Pye · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
How is being a friend supporting an opinion?

I can be a friend and support the person without agreeing with everything they think, say or do.

Ok, let me phrase it a different way. What if your friend was beating their kids everynight and it was legal to do so. Would you still be their friend?

No.
You are talking about an ongoing situation.
Like I said, if I know someone is using abortion as BC, I wouldn't continue the friendship.

Well what if your friend "Stands with PP" and advocated for abortion rights? If it was me and I felt that abortion truly was murder I couldn't look at them.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
And I've only known about 1 person having an abortion, ever.

There may have been others but I don't know about it.

It isn't really the first thing you'd tell someone, now is it?

Would you knowingly go to dinner with someone with a 25 yr old criminal background?

If you didn't know about it, does it matter?
If you do know about it and the crime is super abhorrent to your moral view points it could matter.

That's something each person has to decide for themselves.

I know people CAN change.

It's a matter of WILL they.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Bonny22Pye wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
How is being a friend supporting an opinion?

I can be a friend and support the person without agreeing with everything they think, say or do.

Ok, let me phrase it a different way. What if your friend was beating their kids everynight and it was legal to do so. Would you still be their friend?

No.
You are talking about an ongoing situation.
Like I said, if I know someone is using abortion as BC, I wouldn't continue the friendship.

Well what if your friend "Stands with PP" and advocated for abortion rights? If it was me and I felt that abortion truly was murder I couldn't look at them.

I would pray for them.