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We're the trifecta of meanness welts. Oh well. I can live with that.


 Its not as much meanness as much as it seems to be jealousy.  


 Oh no honey.  There's nothing in your life I'm jealous of.  Except maybe that you have grand kids but, given time, so will I so no, it's definitely not jealousy.  I can say that for sure.


 Interesting you used the word "Honey" when it's a name you have not used here.  You used it to offend, show your obnoxiousness, and to be snotty.  Like a troll would!


Not nearly as snotty and obnoxious as saying if you can't afford to leave behind all your change, you shouldn't be going out to eat. 


 And that was one person's opinion.  I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm not going to join in on the ganging up.  The three of you gang up on her on almost every thread.  That is a gang mentality.



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Ohfour wrote:

Lets say you eat out 10 times a week. That would be about $7 in lost change. If $7 a week makes that much of a difference, you really should just stay home and eat ramen noodles. You definitely shouldnt be going out.


That was completely uncalled for.

'"If you can't afford to be robbed, stay home and eat ramen noodles.. 



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No...if $7 breaks you, you really cant afford to eat out. Im not the one that said .68 would affect my bank account...

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:
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We're the trifecta of meanness welts. Oh well. I can live with that.


 Its not as much meanness as much as it seems to be jealousy.  


 Oh no honey.  There's nothing in your life I'm jealous of.  Except maybe that you have grand kids but, given time, so will I so no, it's definitely not jealousy.  I can say that for sure.


 Interesting you used the word "Honey" when it's a name you have not used here.  You used it to offend, show your obnoxiousness, and to be snotty.  Like a troll would!


Not nearly as snotty and obnoxious as saying if you can't afford to leave behind all your change, you shouldn't be going out to eat. 


 And that was one person's opinion.  I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm not going to join in on the ganging up.  The three of you gang up on her on almost every thread.  That is a gang mentality.


It's a vile opinion, and I called her on it..

I'm not responsible for what anyone else says.

It's not like I messaged the others and said "hey, let's gang up on O4".

If they're of like mind, they'll also call her on it.



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I have never had any server round out my bill. I hope it isn't a trend that will become the new normal.

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I have never had any server round out my bill. I hope it isn't a trend that will become the new normal.


Neither have I. 



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When you think you're getting your change back...

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And it's really this:

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I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

Well I see we have the gang of 3 acting like trolls on this board. Why don't you all just cut it out? Flan, NJN, and Weltz, your bashing of O4 is constant and really brings things down. NJN posted how nice she liked it with O4 gone but the truth is your all are the instigators.


 EXCUSE ME?

Are you a Mod?

Who posted the first dig? That's right, 04 did.

Librarians don't make a lot of $$$, and I could NOT care less.

I don't know WHAT your problem is.

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No...if $7 breaks you, you really cant afford to eat out. Im not the one that said .68 would affect my bank account...


 Yes, everyone knows how rich G is.

My money is MY money.

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It has nothing to do with being rich. It has to do with making bad decisions when .68 could make or break you.

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I have to disagree with you 04. Other people do not get to take liberties with MY money. If i want to give the waitress that .68 cents that is my choice not his/her choice. Whether i can "afford" it or not is irrelevant to the point.

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Understood...but thats not the argument some have made. Im addressing the ones that say .68 would hurt their bank account...

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Ok. Well carry on then!

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DH just went to Boston Market to get dinner. I should call him immediately & tell him that we can't afford it.

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If 68 cents makes that much difference in your budget--you probably should.  



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I have to disagree with you 04. Other people do not get to take liberties with MY money. If i want to give the waitress that .68 cents that is my choice not his/her choice. Whether i can "afford" it or not is irrelevant to the point.


 For me personally, I am going to disagree with this. The more I have thought about it, I think that would make a difference for me. I have never had this happen, I'm just guessing what I would do. A few years ago when money was very tight, I would have noticed and asked for my correct change. Now, I honestly probably wouldn't notice. And if I did notice, it would depend on how in a hurry I was, how the rest of my dining experience was, etc if I asked for the correct change or just shrugged it off.

before this thread, I probably would have shrugged it off as an oversight.  Now, not so much.

 

 

I also realize this is a little different from my first post. I thought about it more and changed my opinion. I hope that's allowed.



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DH just went to Boston Market to get dinner. I should call him immediately & tell him that we can't afford it.

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If 68 cents makes that much difference in your budget--you probably should.  


 One of the wealthiest men I know would have sat there until he got every last cent back insisting he needed it. He has tens of millions of dollars and he knows where every last cent is. He keeps track of his money because it's HIS money. He would have told that server that he couldn't afford to leave the change behind because in his mind, being careless with the cents leads to being careless with the dollars. So he could not afford to leave the cents behind. Nicest man. He would give you the shirt off his back and give anyone who needed a job, an opportunity. He paid for several needy inner city kids to attend the local catholic high school. Keeping track of all his dollars and cents allowed him to do that. 



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DH just went to Boston Market to get dinner. I should call him immediately & tell him that we can't afford it.

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If 68 cents makes that much difference in your budget--you probably should.  


 One of the wealthiest men I know would have sat there until he got every last cent back insisting he needed it. He has tens of millions of dollars and he knows where every last cent is. He keeps track of his money because it's HIS money. He would have told that server that he couldn't afford to leave the change behind because in his mind, being careless with the cents leads to being careless with the dollars. So he could not afford to leave the cents behind. Nicest man. He would give you the shirt off his back and give anyone who needed a job, an opportunity. He paid for several needy inner city kids to attend the local catholic high school. Keeping track of all his dollars and cents allowed him to do that. 


 How do you think people become wealthy? By being aware of the pennies as well as the dollars.

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I know several multi millionaires. Not one of them would give a rats ass about 68 cents once a week or so.

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Mellow Momma wrote:
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DH just went to Boston Market to get dinner. I should call him immediately & tell him that we can't afford it.

flan


If 68 cents makes that much difference in your budget--you probably should.  


 One of the wealthiest men I know would have sat there until he got every last cent back insisting he needed it. He has tens of millions of dollars and he knows where every last cent is. He keeps track of his money because it's HIS money. He would have told that server that he couldn't afford to leave the change behind because in his mind, being careless with the cents leads to being careless with the dollars. So he could not afford to leave the cents behind. Nicest man. He would give you the shirt off his back and give anyone who needed a job, an opportunity. He paid for several needy inner city kids to attend the local catholic high school. Keeping track of all his dollars and cents allowed him to do that. 


 



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How has that worked out for you, NJN?

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I would say it's working really well. In the last two years my DH has been unemployed about half that time. Because we don't throw our money away we've been able to pay all our bills. We've managed to save a very nice cushion of money so that we don't have to be scared every day that we'll lose our house. So if you think you're taking a little dig at me, go right ahead. We get our change back. We count every single last penny and I'm proud we do. Not many people can say they have the resources to be laid off as long as my DH has and to make ends meet.

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I would say it's working really well. In the last two years my DH has been unemployed about half that time. Because we don't throw our money away we've been able to pay all our bills. We've managed to save a very nice cushion of money so that we don't have to be scared every day that we'll lose our house. So if you think you're taking a little dig at me, go right ahead. We get our change back. We count every single last penny and I'm proud we do. Not many people can say they have the resources to be laid off as long as my DH has and to make ends meet.


 

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Personally, I don't care if a server rounds up or down. They can keep my change. That's a small price to pay for their service, especially if the service is good. I appreciate being "waited" on. I am always generous when I dine out, even if service isn't great. Sometimes sh!t happens, that's out of my servers control and I don't feel like they deserve to be punished for that. It would have to be a blatantly rude situation for me to get irritated over some change. So far, that's never happened. I think the only time I've ever been really p!ssed off in my life at the rudeness of an employee at a food place was at Subway one time. I never went back and I told him you will NEVER see me again. And I've never been back! lol. But I paid my bill.

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The only time it ever happened to me Msrock was one time in Chili's. I think my bill came to $16 and some odd change. I gave her a twenty. I did NOT say keep the change. I waited for my change. I waited and waited. Finally I asked her where my change was. She said, "Oh I assumed that was my tip." NOT. I got my change back and talked to the manager. You don't get to decide what your tip is. I am a very good tipper. Sometimes even leaving 50%. But that's up to me. Not them.

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The only time it ever happened to me Msrock was one time in Chili's. I think my bill came to $16 and some odd change. I gave her a twenty. I did NOT say keep the change. I waited for my change. I waited and waited. Finally I asked her where my change was. She said, "Oh I assumed that was my tip." NOT. I got my change back and talked to the manager. You don't get to decide what your tip is. I am a very good tipper. Sometimes even leaving 50%. But that's up to me. Not them.


 And see, that has never happened to me.  Never.  But I've never been to a Chili's before, so there's that.  lol.



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Well, that's the only time it's ever happened. I haven't eaten at Chili's in probably ten years. I stopped going there right after that happened.

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Oh, and I don't think it really has to do with the "class" of the restaurant. DH and I love to go to IHOP. (There's no Waffle House anywhere near us.) We like it because we can linger and talk. We've never had bad service there. They've never given us a hard time about the bill. In fact, one time we were chatting while paying the bill. The waitress was new and she had a hard time getting our order straight. But she was really trying hard and was super nice. I think it was her third day and she was all on her own. We left her a nice tip. We went out to get in the car in the pouring rain. It was raining horribly hard. The waitress ran out and banged on our window. DH rolled it down and she handed him his card. He had left it behind accidentally. She was nice enough to run it out to us.

I think most wait staff are nice people just trying to make a living.

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Oh, and I don't think it really has to do with the "class" of the restaurant. DH and I love to go to IHOP. (There's no Waffle House anywhere near us.) We like it because we can linger and talk. We've never had bad service there. They've never given us a hard time about the bill. In fact, one time we were chatting while paying the bill. The waitress was new and she had a hard time getting our order straight. But she was really trying hard and was super nice. I think it was her third day and she was all on her own. We left her a nice tip. We went out to get in the car in the pouring rain. It was raining horribly hard. The waitress ran out and banged on our window. DH rolled it down and she handed him his card. He had left it behind accidentally. She was nice enough to run it out to us.

I think most wait staff are nice people just trying to make a living.


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Oh, and I don't think it really has to do with the "class" of the restaurant. DH and I love to go to IHOP. (There's no Waffle House anywhere near us.) We like it because we can linger and talk. We've never had bad service there. They've never given us a hard time about the bill. In fact, one time we were chatting while paying the bill. The waitress was new and she had a hard time getting our order straight. But she was really trying hard and was super nice. I think it was her third day and she was all on her own. We left her a nice tip. We went out to get in the car in the pouring rain. It was raining horribly hard. The waitress ran out and banged on our window. DH rolled it down and she handed him his card. He had left it behind accidentally. She was nice enough to run it out to us.

I think most wait staff are nice people just trying to make a living.


 Itty bitty loves IHOP. Apparently they even have their "special" booth. I went with DS2 & her this morning (DH had stayed up way too late).

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We love it because, unlike a fancy restaurant, they usually have a bunch of seats open. We can sit and linger and gaze longingly into each others eyes or some other crap like that! No, it gives us a chance to be kid free and talk without interruptions. Everyone needs to be able to do that once in awhile. Last year for our anniversary our kids got us a $75 gift card to our favorite steak house. We still have a bunch left on it. This year one of them got us a $25 gift card to IHOP. We'll enjoy that. We usually try to take a coupon to make the dollars stretch further.

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I know several multi millionaires. Not one of them would give a rats ass about 68 cents once a week or so.


 And so do I. And every one of them would. They keep track of their money, because just as easily as they made it, if they don't watch it, it could be gone. $7 a week turns into $70 as week and then $700 - because what's the big deal, they can afford it right? And then it turns into $7000...and eventually you wake up and wonder where it all went. The people I know with money are careful about their money, you wouldn't even know they were wealthy if you didnt know their story. And they keep their wealth for generations, and give generously to charity because they know where it all goes. 



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I can say the same...and they dont stress about .68 cents. That would make them misers, the opposite of the people you seem to be acquainted with. I would rather spend my time with people that dont go ape schitt over a couple of quarters...

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I didn't say they would go ape ****. And I described them as quite the opposite of misers. So I am not sure what your point is...

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They are generous people who keep track of their money so that they CAN be generous with it. Not sure how that makes them misers?!?!

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You said he would sit until he got every last penny back. Thats miserly.

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We are VERY generous. We dont count pennies. We arent hurting in the least...

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I think it is the principal of the thing. I can very well afford to lose .68 and even a couple of dollars but it doesn't mean that someone can just keep my money without my permission. I leave very generous tips for good service and I expect people to be honest. It is not ok to be dishonest with someone elses money. Another thing just because I can afford to lose .68 doesn't mean another customer can. I use to work as a waitress and no way would I withhold money from any of my customers.

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I think it is the principal of the thing. I can very well afford to lose .68 and even a couple of dollars but it doesn't mean that someone can just keep my money without my permission. I leave very generous tips for good service and I expect people to be honest. It is not ok to be dishonest with someone elses money. Another thing just because I can afford to lose .68 doesn't mean another customer can. I use to work as a waitress and no way would I withhold money from any of my customers.


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For wait staff to take LIBERTIES with MY money, whether I am a pauper or a millionaire is presumptous, rude and theft. Period. Not sure what is so hard to understand about that?

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For wait staff to take LIBERTIES with MY money, whether I am a pauper or a millionaire is presumptous, rude and theft. Period. Not sure what is so hard to understand about that?


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BTW, if it is "just 68 cents", where does that end? Why can't i short the grocer $.68 cents? Why isn't that a 2 way street? I mean if he is going to go out of business over 68c then he is obviously a crappy businessman? And, of course, so it is 68 cents at dinner. Then when I stop and get coffee in the morning, they can round up too? Oh, and then when i pay for other things, of course let them do it for their convenience? And, what amount would not be OK with you? $1? $5? $20? Why not? Why not just say, oh, thanks for the $50 on your 12.99 bill but it is just too damn hard to make change. Ok with you then? It's absurd. Maybe the bank should just give you what they feel like. Oh, your paycheck is $2051.99. We will just deposit $2000 and call it a day cuz that is a nice even number.

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Not my hill to die on. There are bigger problems in the world than me missing 68 cents. Plus, if we pay with cash, we include the tip when we pay. If the bill is 10.32, we will give them $15 and tell them we dont need change. We rarely if ever ask for change...

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When you think you're getting your change back...

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And it's really this:

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And like i said, i leave the coins anyway. Its theirs whether I put it in the tip jar or not...

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That was someone's idea of a tip!

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When you think you're getting your change back...

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And it's really this:

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  Our Pastor  has told our Church several  times to always leave  a good  tip if they were going to leave  a tract.



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Yeah, if you're going to leave a tract at least tip.

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Not my hill to die on. There are bigger problems in the world than me missing 68 cents. Plus, if we pay with cash, we include the tip when we pay. If the bill is 10.32, we will give them $15 and tell them we dont need change. We rarely if ever ask for change...


 Yeah you tell them u dont need change.  Thats the point.  I tip well too.  Keep the change IF i tell u too.  If not then that isnt their prerogative.  



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flan327 wrote:
Mellow Momma wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:

DH just went to Boston Market to get dinner. I should call him immediately & tell him that we can't afford it.

flan


If 68 cents makes that much difference in your budget--you probably should.  


 One of the wealthiest men I know would have sat there until he got every last cent back insisting he needed it. He has tens of millions of dollars and he knows where every last cent is. He keeps track of his money because it's HIS money. He would have told that server that he couldn't afford to leave the change behind because in his mind, being careless with the cents leads to being careless with the dollars. So he could not afford to leave the cents behind. Nicest man. He would give you the shirt off his back and give anyone who needed a job, an opportunity. He paid for several needy inner city kids to attend the local catholic high school. Keeping track of all his dollars and cents allowed him to do that. 


 How do you think people become wealthy? By being aware of the pennies as well as the dollars.

flan


 But wait--I just thought you said you weren't wealthy--so I guess it's not working.

 

Beyond that, one thing they also didn't do when they weren't wealthy was dine out when they couldn't afford it. 



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