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Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

RE: Iowa!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

(This article was updated when the details of another coin toss in Johnson County emerged.)

The results of the first caucus in the U.S. presidential primary election came down not to actual votes, but to a coin toss — or, rather, to multiple coin tosses.

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton had a virtual tie in the Iowa caucus Monday night. With 99 percent of precincts reported, there was just a 0.2 percent difference; Sanders had 49.6 percent of statewide delegate equivalents, and Clinton had 49.8 percent.

The Iowa Democratic Party said the results were “the closest in Iowa Democratic caucus history.”

Because they were tied, in order to determine who would get the delegates, coin tosses were reportedly held in at least seven precincts.

There were two coin tosses in Des Moines and four more in Ames, Newton, West Branch and Davenport, the Des Moines Register reported. Clinton won all of these.

Another video, which the Des Moines Register did not report on, also emerged, showing a seventh coin toss in Johnson County. Sanders won what appears to be just this one.

Clinton reportedly won six out of the seven coin tosses. This assured her several more delegates to the Democratic Party’s county conventions, of which there are thousands that are selected from the state’s 1,681 precincts in order to determine who gets statewide delegate equivalents.

Clinton ultimately got 700.59 state delegate equivalents, while Sanders got 696.82 state delegate equivalents, a mere 3.77 point difference, according to the Iowa Democratic Party.

In other words, although six is a small fraction of the thousands of overall county delegates, these coin tosses — all of which Clinton reportedly won, despite the low probability — may have pushed her over the edge, giving her the extra statewide delegate equivalents that granted her an additional Iowa delegate.

Clinton ended up getting just one more Iowa delegate, with 22 to Sanders’ 21.

Even before all the precincts were reported, the characteristically confident Clinton campaign had immediately declared victory.

The Sanders campaign, on the other hand, has not conceded, and is requesting a recount, the Associated Press reported.

Because of the incredibly close results and the very low probability of Clinton winning all of these coin tosses, Sanders’ supporters have raised suspicions. Others have accused the Iowa caucus of manipulation and foul play.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
If companies aren't forced to provide health plans, they may just hire.

What? Obamacare is not a good idea? Shocking. But, no - they will be paying higher taxes and won't be able to afford to hire.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
If companies aren't forced to provide health plans, they may just hire.
What? Obamacare is not a good idea? Shocking. But, no - they will be paying higher taxes and won't be able to afford to hire.

Well, most places around here already start high, and iffer a mass of benifits because nobody wants a job otherwise. Some people literally can't afford to pay their bills if they get a job vrs collect unemployment or welfare or what have you.

It is insane. A friend of mine is a young mom, and she is going insane. She dropped out of school to have the baby, and now she wants a job and wants to go back to school, but literally cannot afford it. Her parents threw her out when she got pregnant, so her and her boyfriend live paycheck to paycheck.

The baby has a bunch of health problems too, so they are constantly taking him to the doctor, and buying special food and medicine for him.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
If companies aren't forced to provide health plans, they may just hire.
What? Obamacare is not a good idea? Shocking. But, no - they will be paying higher taxes and won't be able to afford to hire.
Well, most places around here already start high, and iffer a mass of benifits because nobody wants a job otherwise. Some people literally can't afford to pay their bills if they get a job vrs collect unemployment or welfare or what have you.
It is insane. A friend of mine is a young mom, and she is going insane. She dropped out of school to have the baby, and now she wants a job and wants to go back to school, but literally cannot afford it. Her parents threw her out when she got pregnant, so her and her boyfriend live paycheck to paycheck.
The baby has a bunch of health problems too, so they are constantly taking him to the doctor, and buying special food and medicine for him.

That's right. Welfare is too comfortable if it pays more than a job. But it is NOT the government's fault or anyone else's that they had a child too young and she had to drop out of school.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
If companies aren't forced to provide health plans, they may just hire.
What? Obamacare is not a good idea? Shocking. But, no - they will be paying higher taxes and won't be able to afford to hire.
Well, most places around here already start high, and iffer a mass of benifits because nobody wants a job otherwise. Some people literally can't afford to pay their bills if they get a job vrs collect unemployment or welfare or what have you.
It is insane. A friend of mine is a young mom, and she is going insane. She dropped out of school to have the baby, and now she wants a job and wants to go back to school, but literally cannot afford it. Her parents threw her out when she got pregnant, so her and her boyfriend live paycheck to paycheck.
The baby has a bunch of health problems too, so they are constantly taking him to the doctor, and buying special food and medicine for him.

That's right. Welfare is too comfortable if it pays more than a job. But it is NOT the government's fault or anyone else's that they had a child too young and she had to drop out of school.

No, it isn't. But, the fact that with a job and welfare they are barely getting by (and they are not buying expensive toys or frittering away money) and her getting a job would actually WORSEN the situation is certainly a failure on the part of the government.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
If companies aren't forced to provide health plans, they may just hire.
What? Obamacare is not a good idea? Shocking. But, no - they will be paying higher taxes and won't be able to afford to hire.
Well, most places around here already start high, and iffer a mass of benifits because nobody wants a job otherwise. Some people literally can't afford to pay their bills if they get a job vrs collect unemployment or welfare or what have you.
It is insane. A friend of mine is a young mom, and she is going insane. She dropped out of school to have the baby, and now she wants a job and wants to go back to school, but literally cannot afford it. Her parents threw her out when she got pregnant, so her and her boyfriend live paycheck to paycheck.
The baby has a bunch of health problems too, so they are constantly taking him to the doctor, and buying special food and medicine for him.

That's right. Welfare is too comfortable if it pays more than a job. But it is NOT the government's fault or anyone else's that they had a child too young and she had to drop out of school.
No, it isn't. But, the fact that with a job and welfare they are barely getting by (and they are not buying expensive toys or frittering away money) and her getting a job would actually WORSEN the situation is certainly a failure on the part of the government.

Yeah, someone else's fault. Uh huh. Well, at one point in my life, I had lost my job and I could have applied for unemployment. I guess that would have been the "smart" thing to do. But, instead, i figured, i better dust off my resume and go get back on the horse. And, that's what I did. I could have gotten very comfortable sitting on my can for 99 weeks but I knew that wouldn't be good for me or my future so I didn't.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
If companies aren't forced to provide health plans, they may just hire.
What? Obamacare is not a good idea? Shocking. But, no - they will be paying higher taxes and won't be able to afford to hire.
Well, most places around here already start high, and iffer a mass of benifits because nobody wants a job otherwise. Some people literally can't afford to pay their bills if they get a job vrs collect unemployment or welfare or what have you.
It is insane. A friend of mine is a young mom, and she is going insane. She dropped out of school to have the baby, and now she wants a job and wants to go back to school, but literally cannot afford it. Her parents threw her out when she got pregnant, so her and her boyfriend live paycheck to paycheck.
The baby has a bunch of health problems too, so they are constantly taking him to the doctor, and buying special food and medicine for him.

That's right. Welfare is too comfortable if it pays more than a job. But it is NOT the government's fault or anyone else's that they had a child too young and she had to drop out of school.
No, it isn't. But, the fact that with a job and welfare they are barely getting by (and they are not buying expensive toys or frittering away money) and her getting a job would actually WORSEN the situation is certainly a failure on the part of the government.

Yes, it is. Welfare needs to be cut to the point that would not be the case. Welfare should only keep you from dying - nothing more.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Oh my gosh! Seven of the precincts were so close, they decided the winner by coin toss! And Hillary won 6 out of the 7. Yeah - this is going to get ugly. LOL!
- Lawyerlady

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That shouldn't be legal.

"So close" isn't "a tie". And even if it were a tie, that should require a runoff between the two highest. There shouldn't be "coin flipping" as part of the selection process for this country's leaders.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Welfare needs to be cut to the point that would not be the case. Welfare should only keep you from dying - nothing more.
- Lawyerlady

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I agree.

I'd also support welfare for only specific food items. No more "EBT" cards and buy whatever the hell you want. Require that stores know up front if it will be "EBT", and then their registers will only scan approved items. "EBT" card wouldn't work if the Cashier didn't start by pressing the "Pay by EBT" square on her machine.