TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Make it illegal everywhere and fine people like crazy. Let that replace tax increases.

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 Then we can fill up our jails with people using alcohol.  Why?  There are lots of laws about alcohol.  The same laws should apply.  People carry water bottles literally everywhere so they could bring in vodka or grain alcohol or anything else that is clear.  Nobody is banning water bottles everywhere.  

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 Where did I say jail them? 

FNW wrote:

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That's the beauty of this country. The states can decide what should be legal and not. If anyone has ever driven across the country, you will see how each state is different, yet beautiful in their own way. Laws aren't always one-size, fits all. For instance, it might be perfect safe for a 12 year old to drive a tractor on the road in order to reach a nearby farm, but it would be unsafe and ridiculous to do that in NYC. When I was growing up the legal drinking age was 21 in California where public transportation was essentially non-existent, , but it was only 18 in NYC, where public transportation was more readily available. States are in a better position to determine what should be regulated without federal involvement, and courts determine whether the state laws violate the constitution.

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 But the same situations won't always come up--but when they do, laws should be more uniform.

using your example, a kid from Nebraska is very unlikely to ever be in a position to drive a tractor in NYC.  

However, a person on vacation there might be likely to drink, so as much as I might hate it, it's  good that drunk driving laws are similar.  

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Why should it be "illegal" everywhere? You treat it like you do other alcohols. I dont' see some reason to freak out about it and slam in a bunch of new laws. Yes, we need to protect children and of course selling it to minors should be illegal. Then maybe clear alcohol needs outlawed since it looks like water. Oh, and other alcohols that look like juice as well will need to be outlawed.

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Powdered alcohol can easily be added to drinks that are not supposed to be alcoholic.  Too easily.  

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Which is different than carrying vodka in a water bottle how?

Let the states decide for themselves.

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Because an envelope of power is a lot easier to conceal.  And if a glass is full, you can't pour more liquid into it. It's an added danger, like people adding drugs to drinks - it can be done without another's knowledge.   

Ohfour wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Which is different than carrying vodka in a water bottle how?

Let the states decide for themselves.

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Most places won't let you in with a water bottle.  You can't get on a plane, you can't get into a sports venue.  You can't bring your own water bottle into most restaurants.  There are very few places that serve alcohol that let you bring in your own containers.  Trust me on this one. I am the queen of sneaking in alcohol...

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 LOL!

huskerbb wrote:

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Sure, it might be easier to "sneak" in to places--but why is that a reason for the government--state or federal--to get involved?

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I think the ease of adding it to someone else's drink is the a reason for it to be regulated.  

Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Sure, it might be easier to "sneak" in to places--but why is that a reason for the government--state or federal--to get involved?

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I think the ease of adding it to someone else's drink is the a reason for it to be regulated.  

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 I don't see the big issue.  It's not a rooFie.  It's not like ingesting some will knock you out--unless you drink a LOT.

Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Sure, it might be easier to "sneak" in to places--but why is that a reason for the government--state or federal--to get involved?

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I think the ease of adding it to someone else's drink is the a reason for it to be regulated.  

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 I don't see the big issue.  It's not a rooFie.  It's not like ingesting some will knock you out--unless you drink a LOT.

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You have no control over how much someone puts in your drink.  It could be the difference between a buzz and alcohol poisoning... 

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 But you can tell when a drink is too strong.  

FNW wrote:

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I wonder if this powder you speak of leaves a taste in the drink. I mean, if you can't taste it, and don't know it's in there, that could be a problem. But if it leaves your water tasting more like white lightening, then it would be hard to "slip" it in undetected.

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 It's alcohol.  Un flavored vodka doesn't technically have a "taste", but you know it's in there.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Yes, you would know it is there. I don't think that would be an issue. To we have to reflexively BAN everything and make everything ILLEGAL? I mean, i really don't care about this one way or the other. I don't know what the uses would really be other than campers taking it with them verus carrying bottles or something. Let the States decide what to do with it and make their own laws. The federal govt doesn't have to jump in like Super Nanny all the time.

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 How do you know? 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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How do i know what? It's alcohol. Alcohol is alcohol not some mystery substance. Why wouldn't you know it's there? If you had half a bottle of water and someone poured in vodka would you know it's there then?

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 So, you've tried powdered alcohol, then?

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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How do i know what? It's alcohol. Alcohol is alcohol not some mystery substance. Why wouldn't you know it's there? If you had half a bottle of water and someone poured in vodka would you know it's there then?

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 So, you've tried powdered alcohol, then?

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 No.  I have never tried it or even seen it.  I am just saying we don't have to reflexively assume everything is the devil and run to have Govt protect us from everything under the sun. 

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 I know a bad idea when I hear it. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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How do i know what? It's alcohol. Alcohol is alcohol not some mystery substance. Why wouldn't you know it's there? If you had half a bottle of water and someone poured in vodka would you know it's there then?

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 So, you've tried powdered alcohol, then?

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 No.  I have never tried it or even seen it.  I am just saying we don't have to reflexively assume everything is the devil and run to have Govt protect us from everything under the sun. 

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 I know a bad idea when I hear it. 

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 So, govt has to ban every bad idea?

Cruise ships are going to HATE this. The lost revenue will be staggering...

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, alcohol is a legal substance and on that society has deemed socially acceptable. So, it isn't in the same category.

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Not legal for everyone and not legal to have everywhere.  Powdered alcohol will make those laws easier to break. 

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Well, alcohol is a legal substance and on that society has deemed socially acceptable. So, it isn't in the same category.

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So are cigarettes, but we have banned some forms of them...

There is precedent... 

huskerbb wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Cruise ships are going to HATE this. The lost revenue will be staggering...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 4th of February 2016 09:15:38 AM

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 Powdered alcohol is a thing on cruises?

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Not yet, but it will be.  They are VERY strict about alcohol, and this pretty much take sit out of their hands.  Thus losing the most profitable part of their revenue...

 

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 So what?  How is it the government's problem?  Most cruise ships aren't sailing under U.S. Jurisdiction, anyway.

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Taxes.  That's the governments problem.  Alcohol is HEAVILY taxed on a cruise.   

Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Cruise ships are going to HATE this. The lost revenue will be staggering...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 4th of February 2016 09:15:38 AM

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 Powdered alcohol is a thing on cruises?

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Not yet, but it will be.  They are VERY strict about alcohol, and this pretty much take sit out of their hands.  Thus losing the most profitable part of their revenue...

 

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 So what?  How is it the government's problem?  Most cruise ships aren't sailing under U.S. Jurisdiction, anyway.

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Taxes.  That's the governments problem.  Alcohol is HEAVILY taxed on a cruise.   

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 Actually, no.  Cruise ships are not under U.S. Jurisdiction and don't pay taxes to the U.S. Government.  To the extent they pay port taxes and charges, those are passed on to the passengers.  

Thats why you can buy duty free alcohol on board.  Some states are starting to charge you taxes on the alcohol you carry off of the ship, but they cannot do so with what you consume onboard.

Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Ohfour wrote:

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Cruise ships are going to HATE this. The lost revenue will be staggering...

-- Edited by Ohfour on Thursday 4th of February 2016 09:15:38 AM

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 Powdered alcohol is a thing on cruises?

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Not yet, but it will be.  They are VERY strict about alcohol, and this pretty much take sit out of their hands.  Thus losing the most profitable part of their revenue...

 

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 So what?  How is it the government's problem?  Most cruise ships aren't sailing under U.S. Jurisdiction, anyway.

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Taxes.  That's the governments problem.  Alcohol is HEAVILY taxed on a cruise.   

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 Actually, no.  Cruise ships are not under U.S. Jurisdiction and don't pay taxes to the U.S. Government.  To the extent they pay port taxes and charges, those are passed on to the passengers.  

Thats why you can buy duty free alcohol on board.  Some states are starting to charge you taxes on the alcohol you carry off of the ship, but they cannot do so with what you consume onboard.

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Then where do does the astronomical tax go? 

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 There isn't.  The booze Is high, but that's the cruise line making money.  They may have to collect a tax in certain ports, but once in international waters, they don't.