TOTALLY GEEKED!

Lawyerlady wrote:

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And let's point out - this was a BB GUN. It was not a handgun. It was a gun that is actually considered to be a child's toy. 

 

Or a shotgun.  Geesh - bad article.

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 Yeah, I finally caught that on the second read.

flan

Look - this was horrible, but shotguns are normally hanging on a wall, or in a corner, or hanging in a truck. That's NORMAL.

An eleven year old living in a house where shotguns are normal knows better. He deserves to be locked up and put away.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Look - this was horrible, but shotguns are normally hanging on a wall, or in a corner, or hanging in a truck. That's NORMAL.

An eleven year old living in a house where shotguns are normal knows better. He deserves to be locked up and put away.

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 No, it actually depends on where you live.

DS2 has a shotgun. It's not hanging on a wall.

And the stupid article doesn't say how long the kid had been staying there (long enough to know where the gun was kept, obviously!)

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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An eleven year old purposely going to get a gun and kill someone is not even remotely the same as a toddler or 6 year old being curious and accidentally dying or killing someone.

He would have just killed her some other way.

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   I really don't see how that is relevant.  He didn't kill her some other way.  And, guns are VERY effective at killing.  Yeah,you can stab someone, but it takes a lot of effort and time and not always easy to deal that fatal cut.  With a gun, it is very efficient to kill.  And, I am pro gun.  But, i am not going to pretend guns are not in a different category than a steak knife.  They absolutely are and we should always have a very healthy respect for the lethal capabilities of guns.  This child had access to a loaded gun.  How or why, they don't explain.  Did he break into the gun cabinet and grab it?  Did he steal ammunition from home and bring it over because he knew where the gun was?  Or did he simply get angry and then turns and sees a gun and ammo within easy reach?  

  Guns don't belong in the hands of children.  One can be Pro Gun and pro NRA and understand that is just common sense.  Yes, if you want your child to hunt with you and they are supervised, fine.  But, we try to keep porn, alcohol and other things out of the hands of children for their own safety and protection.  This is just common sense.

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 BS.  Children can have guns.  Many children hunt, or target shoot.  

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How is an 11 year old taking a gun and killing someone somehow different from an 18 year old?

Neither of them should do it. No one should use a gun to kill someone intentionally except in very limited circumstances.

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 So an 18-year-old is going to kill someone for not letting him see a puppy?

flan

flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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How is an 11 year old taking a gun and killing someone somehow different from an 18 year old?

Neither of them should do it. No one should use a gun to kill someone intentionally except in very limited circumstances.

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 So an 18-year-old is going to kill someone for not letting him see a puppy?

flan

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 What difference does specific motive make?  Is it somehow justified if it's over a car, instead?

flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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How is an 11 year old taking a gun and killing someone somehow different from an 18 year old?

Neither of them should do it. No one should use a gun to kill someone intentionally except in very limited circumstances.

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 So an 18-year-old is going to kill someone for not letting him see a puppy?

flan

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 What difference does specific motive make?  Is it somehow justified if it's over a car, instead?

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 What I was implying is that an 18-year-old should have more self-control than an 11-year-old.

flan

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 Well, most 11 year olds have enough self control not to shoot others, too, even when there are shotguns in the house.  Obviously, THIS 11 year old is the problem. 

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I find it amazing that I've had a shotgun AND an 11 year old in the house for almost an entire year and she hasn't shot even one person.

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 That news must comfort the parents of the dead girl.

flan

Lawyerlady wrote:

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I find it amazing that I've had a shotgun AND an 11 year old in the house for almost an entire year and she hasn't shot even one person.

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 I really don't understand your point?  A crime doesn't happen until a crime happens.  So, if you leave a situation that promotes a crime, then you have to bear some responsibiity for that.  Just like a Dog has 'never bitten anyone' until it has.  That's how it works.

Some of them don't.

huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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How is an 11 year old taking a gun and killing someone somehow different from an 18 year old?

Neither of them should do it. No one should use a gun to kill someone intentionally except in very limited circumstances.

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 So an 18-year-old is going to kill someone for not letting him see a puppy?

flan

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 What difference does specific motive make?  Is it somehow justified if it's over a car, instead?

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 What I was implying is that an 18-year-old should have more self-control than an 11-year-old.

flan

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 That's complete bull.  I guarantee more people are killed by 18 Year olds than 11 year olds.

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 Which means what?  We should let 11 yr olds drive because very few 11 yr olds have killed other drivers?  

Lawyerlady wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Some of them don't.

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 And my point was that most of them do.  Because there are not many 11 year olds committing murder.  There are a few, but not many.

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 Most adults don't commit murder either.  Not sure what your point is?