TOTALLY GEEKED!

Make the bad clown go away, he's scaring the children.

Wah wah wah to terrorists.

They arent maimed or harmed so what's the problem?

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Because torture is a violation of human rights, and we loose all moral high ground if we employ it.

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 Unfortunately, I fear many Trump supporters have already lost it...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Because torture is a violation of human rights, and we loose all moral high ground if we employ it.

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 Oh FFS.  Abortion is a human rights violation.  Get back to me when you care about the mass slaughter of millions of children.  If holding a terrorist's head under water gets him to give up some vital information important for national security, then i support that.  ANd, all the boo hooing about Abu Ghraib where they were humiliated to have some selfies with underwear on their head, boo freaking Hoo.  We do worse at rush week in a fraternity.

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 And THOSE customs are disgusting as well.

flan

We have known that torture yields little in the way of results since WWII, so why we STILL believe it is a way to gather intel is beyond me. It is a violation of human rights, and worse, it brings us down to their level.

Call it what it is: sadism for no other reason to inflict pain because we want to and can.
Are we better than that as a nation, or not?

ISIS needs to be brought down. We cannot declare war on a group of people that are not a country, and we certainly don't want to legitimize a terrorist organization by doing so.

We need an army of Jack Bauers to take them down. It doesn't need to be in the news, I don't need to know about it, but the military needs special forces to focus on killing every single one of them and not stopping until they are ALL dead. I don't particularly want them tortured, but I want them dead.

And I'd rather have to torture a terrorist who would just as soon kill me as look at me than drop bombs and kill innocent people in the process.

flan327 wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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We have known that torture yields little in the way of results since WWII, so why we STILL believe it is a way to gather intel is beyond me. It is a violation of human rights, and worse, it brings us down to their level.

Call it what it is: sadism for no other reason to inflict pain because we want to and can.
Are we better than that as a nation, or not?

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 I try to take consolation by telling myself that this board does not represent the nation as a whole.

flan

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 Thank heavens.  Some of you would have the world go socialist and the terrorists win.

Lawyerlady wrote:

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ISIS needs to be brought down. We cannot declare war on a group of people that are not a country, and we certainly don't want to legitimize a terrorist organization by doing so.

We need an army of Jack Bauers to take them down. It doesn't need to be in the news, I don't need to know about it, but the military needs special forces to focus on killing every single one of them and not stopping until they are ALL dead. I don't particularly want them tortured, but I want them dead.

And I'd rather have to torture a terrorist who would just as soon kill me as look at me than drop bombs and kill innocent people in the process.

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 You are a history major, you KNOW torture has never been effective for gathering intel. 

It satifies a need to hurt, and a need for revenge. Nothing else. 

I do not and will not support it. 

I want ISIS gone from the world. Torture will not help to further that, and we loose any moral high ground.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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ISIS needs to be brought down. We cannot declare war on a group of people that are not a country, and we certainly don't want to legitimize a terrorist organization by doing so.

We need an army of Jack Bauers to take them down. It doesn't need to be in the news, I don't need to know about it, but the military needs special forces to focus on killing every single one of them and not stopping until they are ALL dead. I don't particularly want them tortured, but I want them dead.

And I'd rather have to torture a terrorist who would just as soon kill me as look at me than drop bombs and kill innocent people in the process.

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 You are a history major, you KNOW torture has never been effective for gathering intel. 

It satifies a need to hurt, and a need for revenge. Nothing else. 

I do not and will not support it. 

I want ISIS gone from the world. Torture will not help to further that, and we loose any moral high ground.

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 No.  There is no empirical evidence to back up this statement.  In fact, that study by the intelligence committee on torture:

 

"There's an interesting statistic presented in the Intelligence Committee report that does not appear in "Secrets, Politics and Torture," a claim that "seven of the 39 CIA detainees known to have been subjected to the CIA s enhanced interrogation techniques produced no intelligence while in CIA custody." Flipped on its head, those numbers tell a very different story: that 82 percent of the tortured prisoners talked. To me, that sounds very much like torture does work, at least in some ways at some times."

 

The rest of the article - http://reason.com/archives/2015/05/19/taking-on-torture

I also find incredibly ridiculous for someone who supports ripping apart babies to be so concerned over terrorists.

Ohfour wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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We have known that torture yields little in the way of results since WWII, so why we STILL believe it is a way to gather intel is beyond me. It is a violation of human rights, and worse, it brings us down to their level.

Call it what it is: sadism for no other reason to inflict pain because we want to and can.
Are we better than that as a nation, or not?

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 I try to take consolation by telling myself that this board does not represent the nation as a whole.

flan

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 Thank heavens.  Some of you would have the world go socialist and the terrorists win.

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I truly believe there are people on this board that applaud ISIS.  I mean, anything to do away with Christianity, right? 

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 So...name names.

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Question to the Christians (and no snark intended):

I've been wondering this for some time. How do you justify torture and the teachings of Christ?

flan

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 It isn't torture for the sake of torture.  It is a means of extracting information that is important for national security.  Jesus never told anyone in the military to leave the military.  Obviously the military kills people.  Why is that flan?

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Question to the Christians (and no snark intended):

I've been wondering this for some time. How do you justify torture and the teachings of Christ?

flan

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 It isn't torture for the sake of torture.  It is a means of extracting information that is important for national security.  Jesus never told anyone in the military to leave the military.  Obviously the military kills people.  Why is that flan?

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 I firmly believe that it has a devastating effect on the soldiers DOING the torture. How could it not?

flan

flan327 wrote:

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Question to the Christians (and no snark intended):

I've been wondering this for some time. How do you justify torture and the teachings of Christ?

flan

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 The salvation of Jesus for your soul for all eternity does not mean you don't have to answer to man for your crimes on earth.  God is very clear about following man's law, and being punished for your crimes against it.

lilyofcourse wrote:

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I also find incredibly ridiculous for someone who supports ripping apart babies to be so concerned over terrorists.

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 And yet, I don't support ripping babies apart. 

And yes, we have seen this slippery slope before, and it leads to a bad place. 

There are other ways to extract information.  Use them.

What other ways?

How many people do you claim we have "tortured" flan?

Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Question to the Christians (and no snark intended):

I've been wondering this for some time. How do you justify torture and the teachings of Christ?

flan

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 It isn't torture for the sake of torture.  It is a means of extracting information that is important for national security.  Jesus never told anyone in the military to leave the military.  Obviously the military kills people.  Why is that flan?

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 I firmly believe that it has a devastating effect on the soldiers DOING the torture. How could it not?

flan

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 Nobody makes them do it.  They can choose a different career.

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 If I joined a branch of the military to protect my country, I just wouldn't expect torture. Yes, in war time, there will be casualties.

And what happens when a soldier refuses a direct order?

flan

No. Beheading people and flying airplanes into buildings to kill civilians is. Duh.

flan327 wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Question to the Christians (and no snark intended):

I've been wondering this for some time. How do you justify torture and the teachings of Christ?

flan

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 It isn't torture for the sake of torture.  It is a means of extracting information that is important for national security.  Jesus never told anyone in the military to leave the military.  Obviously the military kills people.  Why is that flan?

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 I firmly believe that it has a devastating effect on the soldiers DOING the torture. How could it not?

flan

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 Nobody makes them do it.  They can choose a different career.

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 If I joined a branch of the military to protect my country, I just wouldn't expect torture. Yes, in war time, there will be casualties.

And what happens when a soldier refuses a direct order?

flan

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 flan, I'm not aware of anyone claiming to be forced to torture someone in our military.  Can you please find a link to what you are claiming?

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Because torture is a violation of human rights, and we loose all moral high ground if we employ it.

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 Oh FFS.  Abortion is a human rights violation.  Get back to me when you care about the mass slaughter of millions of children.  If holding a terrorist's head under water gets him to give up some vital information important for national security, then i support that.  ANd, all the boo hooing about Abu Ghraib where they were humiliated to have some selfies with underwear on their head, boo freaking Hoo.  We do worse at rush week in a fraternity.

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Wait....I thought it was the "libs" who always start with the abortion talk. Seems to me it's usually LGS. 

weltschmerz wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Because torture is a violation of human rights, and we loose all moral high ground if we employ it.

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 Oh FFS.  Abortion is a human rights violation.  Get back to me when you care about the mass slaughter of millions of children.  If holding a terrorist's head under water gets him to give up some vital information important for national security, then i support that.  ANd, all the boo hooing about Abu Ghraib where they were humiliated to have some selfies with underwear on their head, boo freaking Hoo.  We do worse at rush week in a fraternity.

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Wait....I thought it was the "libs" who always start with the abortion talk. Seems to me it's usually LGS. 

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 Sometimes its me.  Yes when it is relevant to tge discussion.  You just try to toss it in out of no where.  Flan brought up Jesus so yeah.

Ohfour wrote:

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Lawyerlady wrote:

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flan327 wrote:

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Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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We have known that torture yields little in the way of results since WWII, so why we STILL believe it is a way to gather intel is beyond me. It is a violation of human rights, and worse, it brings us down to their level.

Call it what it is: sadism for no other reason to inflict pain because we want to and can.
Are we better than that as a nation, or not?

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 I try to take consolation by telling myself that this board does not represent the nation as a whole.

flan

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 Thank heavens.  Some of you would have the world go socialist and the terrorists win.

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I truly believe there are people on this board that applaud ISIS.  I mean, anything to do away with Christianity, right? 

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 I don't know about applauding them, but there are certainly people who spend a heck of a lot more time taking potshots and heckling Christianity and Christians than they do worrying about ISIS and Muslim terrorists.

And they don't need to be names for everyone to know who they are.