TOTALLY GEEKED!

Ohfour · Hooker

RE: Toddler, three, fatally shoots his nine-year-old sister with a pistol he found on his great-grandparents' nightstand

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Because when Bruiser is all over the news for shooting Sweetness in the face, everyone will wonder why grandma was so careless.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, i feel that i have a responsibility towards children. And, that includes making sure children are safe in my home. And, certainly i would not have a loaded gun in my bedroom if i had children or grandchildren or my kids' friends in my home. Yeah, they shouldn't go snooping in my bedroom but neither am i naive to think that kids don't explore. So, if that is the chance you want to take, then i guess that is fine with your kids but all the more reason for other parents to be leary to allow their children to play in other people's homes.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Because when Bruiser is all over the news for shooting Sweetness in the face, everyone will wonder why grandma was so careless.

My guns are locked up when they are there.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Because when Bruiser is all over the news for shooting Sweetness in the face, everyone will wonder why grandma was so careless.
My guns are locked up when they are there.

Well, then you are responsible gun owner so what is the problem?

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, i feel that i have a responsibility towards children. And, that includes making sure children are safe in my home. And, certainly i would not have a loaded gun in my bedroom if i had children or grandchildren or my kids' friends in my home. Yeah, they shouldn't go snooping in my bedroom but neither am i naive to think that kids don't explore. So, if that is the chance you want to take, then i guess that is fine with your kids but all the more reason for other parents to be leary to allow their children to play in other people's homes.

And I've said again and again, I lock my guns up when they are coming over. but I'm not going to lock them up every time I leave the house, knowing no one would be there...

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Because when Bruiser is all over the news for shooting Sweetness in the face, everyone will wonder why grandma was so careless.
My guns are locked up when they are there.
Well, then you are responsible gun owner so what is the problem?

Dona thinks they should be locked up whenever I am not home...

FNW · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, i feel that i have a responsibility towards children. And, that includes making sure children are safe in my home. And, certainly i would not have a loaded gun in my bedroom if i had children or grandchildren or my kids' friends in my home. Yeah, they shouldn't go snooping in my bedroom but neither am i naive to think that kids don't explore. So, if that is the chance you want to take, then i guess that is fine with your kids but all the more reason for other parents to be leary to allow their children to play in other people's homes.
And I've said again and again, I lock my guns up when they are coming over. but I'm not going to lock them up every time I leave the house, knowing no one would be there...

I would. Just because if someone broke in, I wouldn't want them used on me when I returned home. But I almost walked in on a burglar so I think about those things a little differently as a result.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.

Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.

Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.

Cheerios4606 · Guru

Could not have said it better myself LL!

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.
Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.
Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.

He left the gun behind when he went out. HOW is that for self-defense?? He didn't even have it with him! And I bet, had he been asked before this, he would have responded lik O4-- "When there are kids in the house, OF COURSE I keep my gun away!" Except, what if there is an emergency, and the kids get dropped off? What if they come by to visit, yet you got held up somewhere and they come in to wait? There is a hundred scenarios that could end badly, all of which could be avoided by having a simple slam-shut case for your gun, or even just taking the clip out. Heck, what if someone breaks in when you AREN'T home, and uses your conveniently loaded gun against you when you return?

And, how hard is it to just leave it empty? It hardly takes a second to load, and there is a much better chance of one of your precious grand babies finding the loaded gun and harming themselves or another than there is of you getting into a confrontation that that half a second makes the differences between life and death. Or, just get a hand gun, and carry it.

My bf carries his gun with him, even at home it is holstered and by his side. If he takes it off, the clip comes out, and he visually checks the chamber, and the gun goes on the nightstand, the clip in the drawer. The slide mechanism to coke the gun requires so much force that I can hardly work it, a small child could not, even if they managed to get the clip in.

The other guns are kept locked, with the exception of mine. It lives (empty) in the drawer of the bedside table, the two clips live in a drawer under the bed. I can reach both items from in the bed in about five seconds, yet a toddler would be hard pressed to locate, load, ****, and fire.

If it isn't attached to you, lock it or unload it. How many people would have their child if someone had just unloaded their gun?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.
Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.
Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.
He left the gun behind when he went out. HOW is that for self-defense?? He didn't even have it with him! And I bet, had he been asked before this, he would have responded lik O4-- "When there are kids in the house, OF COURSE I keep my gun away!" Except, what if there is an emergency, and the kids get dropped off? What if they come by to visit, yet you got held up somewhere and they come in to wait? There is a hundred scenarios that could end badly, all of which could be avoided by having a simple slam-shut case for your gun, or even just taking the clip out. Heck, what if someone breaks in when you AREN'T home, and uses your conveniently loaded gun against you when you return?
And, how hard is it to just leave it empty? It hardly takes a second to load, and there is a much better chance of one of your precious grand babies finding the loaded gun and harming themselves or another than there is of you getting into a confrontation that that half a second makes the differences between life and death. Or, just get a hand gun, and carry it.
My bf carries his gun with him, even at home it is holstered and by his side. If he takes it off, the clip comes out, and he visually checks the chamber, and the gun goes on the nightstand, the clip in the drawer. The slide mechanism to coke the gun requires so much force that I can hardly work it, a small child could not, even if they managed to get the clip in.
The other guns are kept locked, with the exception of mine. It lives (empty) in the drawer of the bedside table, the two clips live in a drawer under the bed. I can reach both items from in the bed in about five seconds, yet a toddler would be hard pressed to locate, load, ****, and fire.
If it isn't attached to you, lock it or unload it. How many people would have their child if someone had just unloaded their gun?

And I take it you've never woken up with a stranger at the foot of your bed. You would never be able to load that gun and use it. You might as well not have it.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.
Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.
Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.
He left the gun behind when he went out. HOW is that for self-defense?? He didn't even have it with him! And I bet, had he been asked before this, he would have responded lik O4-- "When there are kids in the house, OF COURSE I keep my gun away!" Except, what if there is an emergency, and the kids get dropped off? What if they come by to visit, yet you got held up somewhere and they come in to wait? There is a hundred scenarios that could end badly, all of which could be avoided by having a simple slam-shut case for your gun, or even just taking the clip out. Heck, what if someone breaks in when you AREN'T home, and uses your conveniently loaded gun against you when you return?
And, how hard is it to just leave it empty? It hardly takes a second to load, and there is a much better chance of one of your precious grand babies finding the loaded gun and harming themselves or another than there is of you getting into a confrontation that that half a second makes the differences between life and death. Or, just get a hand gun, and carry it.
My bf carries his gun with him, even at home it is holstered and by his side. If he takes it off, the clip comes out, and he visually checks the chamber, and the gun goes on the nightstand, the clip in the drawer. The slide mechanism to coke the gun requires so much force that I can hardly work it, a small child could not, even if they managed to get the clip in.
The other guns are kept locked, with the exception of mine. It lives (empty) in the drawer of the bedside table, the two clips live in a drawer under the bed. I can reach both items from in the bed in about five seconds, yet a toddler would be hard pressed to locate, load, ****, and fire.
If it isn't attached to you, lock it or unload it. How many people would have their child if someone had just unloaded their gun?
And I take it you've never woken up with a stranger at the foot of your bed. You would never be able to load that gun and use it. You might as well not have it.

If I don't wake up until the stranger is at my bed, then the gun would need to be IN MY HAND to make any difference. Seriously, a stranger is going to stand by my bed until I wake up and just not do anything as I reach over to grab a gun lying clearly visible on the bedside table? Flimsy argument at best, especially since a) I already addressed that and b) to get to that point a stranger would have to get into a locked house without waking the dog (impossible) navigate the creakiest hallway you have ever heard (it sounds like a squeaker toy), then figure out which closed door is mine, then get in a squeaky door and into a cluttered dark room, all without waking me up.

If he manages to do all of that, then I will sleep well past the point of no return, and it won't matter where my gun is.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

On the other hand, there is a much better chance that a toddler will chase my cat or puppy down the hall and into the bedroom, and encounter a loaded gun. SO, THAT is the eventuality I will guard against.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.
Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.
Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.
He left the gun behind when he went out. HOW is that for self-defense?? He didn't even have it with him! And I bet, had he been asked before this, he would have responded lik O4-- "When there are kids in the house, OF COURSE I keep my gun away!" Except, what if there is an emergency, and the kids get dropped off? What if they come by to visit, yet you got held up somewhere and they come in to wait? There is a hundred scenarios that could end badly, all of which could be avoided by having a simple slam-shut case for your gun, or even just taking the clip out. Heck, what if someone breaks in when you AREN'T home, and uses your conveniently loaded gun against you when you return?
And, how hard is it to just leave it empty? It hardly takes a second to load, and there is a much better chance of one of your precious grand babies finding the loaded gun and harming themselves or another than there is of you getting into a confrontation that that half a second makes the differences between life and death. Or, just get a hand gun, and carry it.
My bf carries his gun with him, even at home it is holstered and by his side. If he takes it off, the clip comes out, and he visually checks the chamber, and the gun goes on the nightstand, the clip in the drawer. The slide mechanism to coke the gun requires so much force that I can hardly work it, a small child could not, even if they managed to get the clip in.
The other guns are kept locked, with the exception of mine. It lives (empty) in the drawer of the bedside table, the two clips live in a drawer under the bed. I can reach both items from in the bed in about five seconds, yet a toddler would be hard pressed to locate, load, ****, and fire.
If it isn't attached to you, lock it or unload it. How many people would have their child if someone had just unloaded their gun?
And I take it you've never woken up with a stranger at the foot of your bed. You would never be able to load that gun and use it. You might as well not have it.
If I don't wake up until the stranger is at my bed, then the gun would need to be IN MY HAND to make any difference. Seriously, a stranger is going to stand by my bed until I wake up and just not do anything as I reach over to grab a gun lying clearly visible on the bedside table? Flimsy argument at best, especially since a) I already addressed that and b) to get to that point a stranger would have to get into a locked house without waking the dog (impossible) navigate the creakiest hallway you have ever heard (it sounds like a squeaker toy), then figure out which closed door is mine, then get in a squeaky door and into a cluttered dark room, all without waking me up.
If he manages to do all of that, then I will sleep well past the point of no return, and it won't matter where my gun is.

It happened to my mother - she woke up with a man staring at her from the foot of the bed. She didn't have a gun on a nightstand, but a pair of shears. She chased him out with those. Too bad she didn't have a gun to shoot him, b/c after she called the cops and got us kids out of the house for the night, the bastard CAME BACK and robbed the house while we were at the neighbors.

And all those things about YOUR house do not apply to everyone.

I do not keep a gun on my nightstand b/c I have kids living in the house. But for a person living in a house without kids, and leaving it in their own room? No, I'm not going to say that is wrong.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.
Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.
Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.
He left the gun behind when he went out. HOW is that for self-defense?? He didn't even have it with him! And I bet, had he been asked before this, he would have responded lik O4-- "When there are kids in the house, OF COURSE I keep my gun away!" Except, what if there is an emergency, and the kids get dropped off? What if they come by to visit, yet you got held up somewhere and they come in to wait? There is a hundred scenarios that could end badly, all of which could be avoided by having a simple slam-shut case for your gun, or even just taking the clip out. Heck, what if someone breaks in when you AREN'T home, and uses your conveniently loaded gun against you when you return?
And, how hard is it to just leave it empty? It hardly takes a second to load, and there is a much better chance of one of your precious grand babies finding the loaded gun and harming themselves or another than there is of you getting into a confrontation that that half a second makes the differences between life and death. Or, just get a hand gun, and carry it.
My bf carries his gun with him, even at home it is holstered and by his side. If he takes it off, the clip comes out, and he visually checks the chamber, and the gun goes on the nightstand, the clip in the drawer. The slide mechanism to coke the gun requires so much force that I can hardly work it, a small child could not, even if they managed to get the clip in.
The other guns are kept locked, with the exception of mine. It lives (empty) in the drawer of the bedside table, the two clips live in a drawer under the bed. I can reach both items from in the bed in about five seconds, yet a toddler would be hard pressed to locate, load, ****, and fire.
If it isn't attached to you, lock it or unload it. How many people would have their child if someone had just unloaded their gun?
And I take it you've never woken up with a stranger at the foot of your bed. You would never be able to load that gun and use it. You might as well not have it.
If I don't wake up until the stranger is at my bed, then the gun would need to be IN MY HAND to make any difference. Seriously, a stranger is going to stand by my bed until I wake up and just not do anything as I reach over to grab a gun lying clearly visible on the bedside table? Flimsy argument at best, especially since a) I already addressed that and b) to get to that point a stranger would have to get into a locked house without waking the dog (impossible) navigate the creakiest hallway you have ever heard (it sounds like a squeaker toy), then figure out which closed door is mine, then get in a squeaky door and into a cluttered dark room, all without waking me up.
If he manages to do all of that, then I will sleep well past the point of no return, and it won't matter where my gun is.
It happened to my mother - she woke up with a man staring at her from the foot of the bed. She didn't have a gun on a nightstand, but a pair of shears. She chased him out with those. Too bad she didn't have a gun to shoot him, b/c after she called the cops and got us kids out of the house for the night, the bastard CAME BACK and robbed the house while we were at the neighbors.
And all those things about YOUR house do not apply to everyone.

I do not keep a gun on my nightstand b/c I have kids living in the house. But for a person living in a house without kids, and leaving it in their own room? No, I'm not going to say that is wrong.

It isn't a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of what are the chances of one vrs another.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well i dont think that is wrong but then you nerd to vigilant about any possible children coming to the house. If i kept a loaded gun sittting on my nightstand then that would be the very first thing i check before company comes over. Or wear it on your person.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.
Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.
Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.
He left the gun behind when he went out. HOW is that for self-defense?? He didn't even have it with him! And I bet, had he been asked before this, he would have responded lik O4-- "When there are kids in the house, OF COURSE I keep my gun away!" Except, what if there is an emergency, and the kids get dropped off? What if they come by to visit, yet you got held up somewhere and they come in to wait? There is a hundred scenarios that could end badly, all of which could be avoided by having a simple slam-shut case for your gun, or even just taking the clip out. Heck, what if someone breaks in when you AREN'T home, and uses your conveniently loaded gun against you when you return?
And, how hard is it to just leave it empty? It hardly takes a second to load, and there is a much better chance of one of your precious grand babies finding the loaded gun and harming themselves or another than there is of you getting into a confrontation that that half a second makes the differences between life and death. Or, just get a hand gun, and carry it.
My bf carries his gun with him, even at home it is holstered and by his side. If he takes it off, the clip comes out, and he visually checks the chamber, and the gun goes on the nightstand, the clip in the drawer. The slide mechanism to coke the gun requires so much force that I can hardly work it, a small child could not, even if they managed to get the clip in.
The other guns are kept locked, with the exception of mine. It lives (empty) in the drawer of the bedside table, the two clips live in a drawer under the bed. I can reach both items from in the bed in about five seconds, yet a toddler would be hard pressed to locate, load, ****, and fire.
If it isn't attached to you, lock it or unload it. How many people would have their child if someone had just unloaded their gun?
And I take it you've never woken up with a stranger at the foot of your bed. You would never be able to load that gun and use it. You might as well not have it.
If I don't wake up until the stranger is at my bed, then the gun would need to be IN MY HAND to make any difference. Seriously, a stranger is going to stand by my bed until I wake up and just not do anything as I reach over to grab a gun lying clearly visible on the bedside table? Flimsy argument at best, especially since a) I already addressed that and b) to get to that point a stranger would have to get into a locked house without waking the dog (impossible) navigate the creakiest hallway you have ever heard (it sounds like a squeaker toy), then figure out which closed door is mine, then get in a squeaky door and into a cluttered dark room, all without waking me up.
If he manages to do all of that, then I will sleep well past the point of no return, and it won't matter where my gun is.
It happened to my mother - she woke up with a man staring at her from the foot of the bed. She didn't have a gun on a nightstand, but a pair of shears. She chased him out with those. Too bad she didn't have a gun to shoot him, b/c after she called the cops and got us kids out of the house for the night, the bastard CAME BACK and robbed the house while we were at the neighbors.
And all those things about YOUR house do not apply to everyone.

I do not keep a gun on my nightstand b/c I have kids living in the house. But for a person living in a house without kids, and leaving it in their own room? No, I'm not going to say that is wrong.

It isn't a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of what are the chances of one vrs another.

And there is absolutely no chance my grandkids (or any other kids) would be in my house without (a) my prior knowledge or (b) me being there...

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Then lock it. That is the rule in our house. Take the clip out and VISUALLY check the chamber, or lock it up. There is no third option.
Dona - a gun in the house is usually there for safety. You need to be able to get to it quickly and use it if someone breaks into your house. The point is for it to be available for self defense. I'm not going to lock up my gun because someone might bring kids to my house without my knowledge and let them rummage through my bedroom.
Kids who live in house with guns should be taught gun safety and respect and the guns, should, OF COURSE, be kept out of reach of toddlers.

And for everywhere else - kids should be taught to stay out of people's bedrooms b/c you have no idea what they might find in there.
He left the gun behind when he went out. HOW is that for self-defense?? He didn't even have it with him! And I bet, had he been asked before this, he would have responded lik O4-- "When there are kids in the house, OF COURSE I keep my gun away!" Except, what if there is an emergency, and the kids get dropped off? What if they come by to visit, yet you got held up somewhere and they come in to wait? There is a hundred scenarios that could end badly, all of which could be avoided by having a simple slam-shut case for your gun, or even just taking the clip out. Heck, what if someone breaks in when you AREN'T home, and uses your conveniently loaded gun against you when you return?
And, how hard is it to just leave it empty? It hardly takes a second to load, and there is a much better chance of one of your precious grand babies finding the loaded gun and harming themselves or another than there is of you getting into a confrontation that that half a second makes the differences between life and death. Or, just get a hand gun, and carry it.
My bf carries his gun with him, even at home it is holstered and by his side. If he takes it off, the clip comes out, and he visually checks the chamber, and the gun goes on the nightstand, the clip in the drawer. The slide mechanism to coke the gun requires so much force that I can hardly work it, a small child could not, even if they managed to get the clip in.
The other guns are kept locked, with the exception of mine. It lives (empty) in the drawer of the bedside table, the two clips live in a drawer under the bed. I can reach both items from in the bed in about five seconds, yet a toddler would be hard pressed to locate, load, ****, and fire.
If it isn't attached to you, lock it or unload it. How many people would have their child if someone had just unloaded their gun?
And I take it you've never woken up with a stranger at the foot of your bed. You would never be able to load that gun and use it. You might as well not have it.
If I don't wake up until the stranger is at my bed, then the gun would need to be IN MY HAND to make any difference. Seriously, a stranger is going to stand by my bed until I wake up and just not do anything as I reach over to grab a gun lying clearly visible on the bedside table? Flimsy argument at best, especially since a) I already addressed that and b) to get to that point a stranger would have to get into a locked house without waking the dog (impossible) navigate the creakiest hallway you have ever heard (it sounds like a squeaker toy), then figure out which closed door is mine, then get in a squeaky door and into a cluttered dark room, all without waking me up.
If he manages to do all of that, then I will sleep well past the point of no return, and it won't matter where my gun is.
It happened to my mother - she woke up with a man staring at her from the foot of the bed. She didn't have a gun on a nightstand, but a pair of shears. She chased him out with those. Too bad she didn't have a gun to shoot him, b/c after she called the cops and got us kids out of the house for the night, the bastard CAME BACK and robbed the house while we were at the neighbors.
And all those things about YOUR house do not apply to everyone.

I do not keep a gun on my nightstand b/c I have kids living in the house. But for a person living in a house without kids, and leaving it in their own room? No, I'm not going to say that is wrong.

It isn't a matter of right or wrong, it is a matter of what are the chances of one vrs another.

And since I don't let children wander into my bedroom, and the door is always closed if people are over, I consider the chances of needing a gun for self defense to be greater than a toddler accidentally finding my gun.

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

But you just said you don't keep loaded guns around since you have kids. Sounds like you do consider it a risk.
I don't have kids, but I have three very young neices, many very young cousins, and my bf has a very young nephew.
And O4 has her two precious grands. How much are their lives worth? How many seconds is their safety worth?

A small risk is just that, small, but there is very little reason not to keep the clip separate from the gun, even just by a little
Everyone says it won't happen to them, until it does. How much is a life worth then?

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
But you just said you don't keep loaded guns around since you have kids. Sounds like you do consider it a risk.
I don't have kids, but I have three very young neices, many very young cousins, and my bf has a very young nephew.
And O4 has her two precious grands. How much are their lives worth? How many seconds is their safety worth?

A small risk is just that, small, but there is very little reason not to keep the clip separate from the gun, even just by a little
Everyone says it won't happen to them, until it does. How much is a life worth then?

And I don't have loaded guns when they are in my house. How hard is that for you to understand?

Dona Worry Be Happy · Vette's SS!!

Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
But you just said you don't keep loaded guns around since you have kids. Sounds like you do consider it a risk.
I don't have kids, but I have three very young neices, many very young cousins, and my bf has a very young nephew.
And O4 has her two precious grands. How much are their lives worth? How many seconds is their safety worth?

A small risk is just that, small, but there is very little reason not to keep the clip separate from the gun, even just by a little
Everyone says it won't happen to them, until it does. How much is a life worth then?
And I don't have loaded guns when they are in my house. How hard is that for you to understand?

And I bet if you had asked the guy in the OP, he would have said he didn't have loaded guns when their were jids in the house either. Unexpected things happen. If you SIL calls you at 2am and says he needs to drop off the kids because your daughter needs to go to the ER and he can't wait, you are not going to lock up your guns, you probably won't even remember they exist.

How likely is that? Not very, but if you have sweet grandbabies line yours, I don't see why making it a habit to keep your guns where they could never get to them is such a bad plan. If it is attached tp you, if you are actively carrying it that is one thing. Just left loaded and unattended on a regular basis? Why even risk it?

You can't predict everything. Is the chance of an intense home invasion where the time to load a gun makes the difference between life and death so much more probable than one of your grands accidentally getting ahold of your gun? How sure are you?

weltschmerz · Guru

Question....

If a loaded hand gun falls, can it go off?
Sushi the Destroyer knocks everything off my bedside table; lamps, plants, alarm clocks.
I wouldn't want my cat to shoot me in the head.

Ohfour · Hooker

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
But you just said you don't keep loaded guns around since you have kids. Sounds like you do consider it a risk.
I don't have kids, but I have three very young neices, many very young cousins, and my bf has a very young nephew.
And O4 has her two precious grands. How much are their lives worth? How many seconds is their safety worth?

A small risk is just that, small, but there is very little reason not to keep the clip separate from the gun, even just by a little
Everyone says it won't happen to them, until it does. How much is a life worth then?
And I don't have loaded guns when they are in my house. How hard is that for you to understand?
And I bet if you had asked the guy in the OP, he would have said he didn't have loaded guns when their were jids in the house either. Unexpected things happen. If you SIL calls you at 2am and says he needs to drop off the kids because your daughter needs to go to the ER and he can't wait, you are not going to lock up your guns, you probably won't even remember they exist.
How likely is that? Not very, but if you have sweet grandbabies line yours, I don't see why making it a habit to keep your guns where they could never get to them is such a bad plan. If it is attached tp you, if you are actively carrying it that is one thing. Just left loaded and unattended on a regular basis? Why even risk it?
You can't predict everything. Is the chance of an intense home invasion where the time to load a gun makes the difference between life and death so much more probable than one of your grands accidentally getting ahold of your gun? How sure are you?

100% positive.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
And no, I never let my toddler wander in someone else's house unsupervised.
I get it, but YOU are not every parent/adult.
flan

Then it's the fault of those who were supposed to be watching the kid--not the gun owner who didn't even think there were going to be any kids there.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Guns, in ANY house at ANY time, should not be laying around loaded unless locked in a safe.

No children had never been to that house before?

flan

That's BS. There are reasons that guns are sometimes in the house and loaded without being in a safe.

Tell the kids to keep their hands off of crap. That's the lesson to be learned here. If this had been a pot of boiling water dumped on someone--would it be the fault of the owner of the water--or those who didn't teach their kid not to touch crap.

weltschmerz · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Guns, in ANY house at ANY time, should not be laying around loaded unless locked in a safe.

No children had never been to that house before?

flan
That's BS. There are reasons that guns are sometimes in the house and loaded without being in a safe.

Tell the kids to keep their hands off of crap. That's the lesson to be learned here. If this had been a pot of boiling water dumped on someone--would it be the fault of the owner of the water--or those who didn't teach their kid not to touch crap.

Well, yes, because everybody knows kids ALWAYS listen to what you tell them.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Guns, in ANY house at ANY time, should not be laying around loaded unless locked in a safe.

No children had never been to that house before?

flan
That's BS. There are reasons that guns are sometimes in the house and loaded without being in a safe.

Tell the kids to keep their hands off of crap. That's the lesson to be learned here. If this had been a pot of boiling water dumped on someone--would it be the fault of the owner of the water--or those who didn't teach their kid not to touch crap.
Well, yes, because everybody knows kids ALWAYS listen to what you tell them.

Me and my siblings grew up in a house with guns. All of my cousins did, also. Probably 80% of everyone I went to high school with did. Most of the students I taught in school did.

Never one accident such as this.

These are RARE.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

weltschmerz wrote:
Question....

If a loaded hand gun falls, can it go off?
Sushi the Destroyer knocks everything off my bedside table; lamps, plants, alarm clocks.
I wouldn't want my cat to shoot me in the head.

Unlikely, but it is going to depend on the gun. One, if it's got a magazine, it's going to need a bullet in the chamber. And two, pulling a trigger actually takes some doing. It's not going to pull be being dropped. If you are thinking about it just "going off", I'd think that more likely with a revolver than something like a 9mm. And many guns have safetys on them. Again, though -not your standard revolver.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Guns, in ANY house at ANY time, should not be laying around loaded unless locked in a safe.

No children had never been to that house before?

flan
That's BS. There are reasons that guns are sometimes in the house and loaded without being in a safe.

Tell the kids to keep their hands off of crap. That's the lesson to be learned here. If this had been a pot of boiling water dumped on someone--would it be the fault of the owner of the water--or those who didn't teach their kid not to touch crap.
Well, yes, because everybody knows kids ALWAYS listen to what you tell them.
Me and my siblings grew up in a house with guns. All of my cousins did, also. Probably 80% of everyone I went to high school with did. Most of the students I taught in school did.
Never one accident such as this.
These are RARE.

Yes, they are. Households with guns are NOT NEW. You have to teach kids respect for guns. Even people that don't have guns in the house should teach their kids not to touch a gun if they see one.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:
But you just said you don't keep loaded guns around since you have kids. Sounds like you do consider it a risk.
I don't have kids, but I have three very young neices, many very young cousins, and my bf has a very young nephew.
And O4 has her two precious grands. How much are their lives worth? How many seconds is their safety worth?

A small risk is just that, small, but there is very little reason not to keep the clip separate from the gun, even just by a little
Everyone says it won't happen to them, until it does. How much is a life worth then?

Where did I say that?

WYSIWYG · Guru

Guns, in ANY house at ANY time, should not be laying around loaded unless locked in a safe.
- flan327

____________________________

I strongly disagree with that.

Guns in houses with children present that are too young to be taught gun safety? Yes. Absolutely. Lock up the guns and ammo.

After they are old enough to learn, teach them.

WYSIWYG · Guru

Question....

If a loaded hand gun falls, can it go off?
Sushi the Destroyer knocks everything off my bedside table; lamps, plants, alarm clocks.
I wouldn't want my cat to shoot me in the head.
- weltschmerz

_____________________________

As Lawyerlady said, it depends. There's one more thing that she didn't mention that needs to happen before it can fire. The "hammer" has to be ****ed. Unless the gun is left with the "hammer" ****ed, it's impossible for it to fire just by impact, as long as the trigger guard hasn't been removed for some absurd reason.

In an "absolutely perfect accident" I suppose it's possible for a revolver or a semi-automatic with a chambered round AND one that is a "double action" (whereby the "hammer" can be ****ed by the trigger) gun, to fall and be angled just right and with enough force that some protruding object could sneak between the trigger guard and the trigger that it could fire the gun. But the gun would have to be falling from a huge distance to get the velocity to make it's impact with that magical object great enough to pull the trigger.

I would rate this as likely as getting struck by lightning on the same day of the year, five years in a row, at the exact same location.

weltschmerz · Guru

It strikes me that there are two main problems with guns as protection:

1. If it’s un****ed and unloaded when you need it, it’s useless.

2. If it’s ****ed and loaded when you don’t need it (which is most of the time), it’s very, very dangerous.

Unfortunately for the Reynolds/Villescas family in Albuquerque, NM, the second scenario proved to be disastrous when their 3-year-old boy pulled the loaded ****ed gun out of Mom’s purse, fired a bullet and injured both his parents.

The family was staying at an Albuquerque motel with the boy, his 2-year-old sister, the pregnant mother and the father. The boy reached into his parents purse for what he thought was an iPod, but instead pulled out the loaded gun.

Justin Reynolds told KOB-TV that he and his girlfriend, Monique Villescas, were getting ready to order pizza when the toddler fired the shot.

“It was like if I was to get up shake your hand and sat back down. That’s how fast it happened,” Reynolds said. “All of a sudden we heard a gun go off and the next minute I realized my girlfriend was bleeding. Then, I sat down and realized I was shot, too.”

“I was more worried about my girlfriend than myself and anything else that was going on. And my son because I didn’t know if he had shot himself or not,” said Reynolds. “He was shocked and crying. It was traumatizing.”

The boy’s sister was unhurt, the father was shot in the lower back and the mother was hit in the shoulder and is hospitalized but in good condition.

www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/01/toddler-finds-handgun-in-moms-purse-and-shoots-both-parents-video/

Way too much of this crap happening, despite all the "responsible" gun owners.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I wouldn't carry a loaded gun in my purse. If my gun is loaded, it will be on my person. If not, then i can keep it unloaded in my room. With my bullets in a handy spot. You can even leave your revolver laying with the chamber open ready to pop in a few bullets and click it at a moments notice. Or a magazine for a 9 mm.

Or, if it is kept loaded, it would only be when i went to bed and then put away in the morning or unloaded. Owning a gun requires care, vigilance and responsibility. It is a great tool for women and for our safety because it is so lethal. But, one has to respect the lethality of guns.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Guns, in ANY house at ANY time, should not be laying around loaded unless locked in a safe.

No children had never been to that house before?

flan
That's BS. There are reasons that guns are sometimes in the house and loaded without being in a safe.

Tell the kids to keep their hands off of crap. That's the lesson to be learned here. If this had been a pot of boiling water dumped on someone--would it be the fault of the owner of the water--or those who didn't teach their kid not to touch crap.
Well, yes, because everybody knows kids ALWAYS listen to what you tell them.
Me and my siblings grew up in a house with guns. All of my cousins did, also. Probably 80% of everyone I went to high school with did. Most of the students I taught in school did.
Never one accident such as this.
These are RARE.
Yes, they are. Households with guns are NOT NEW. You have to teach kids respect for guns. Even people that don't have guns in the house should teach their kids not to touch a gun if they see one.

Of course. And, nobody is saying that kids shouldn't be taught gun safety. Of course they should.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
Question....

If a loaded hand gun falls, can it go off?
Sushi the Destroyer knocks everything off my bedside table; lamps, plants, alarm clocks.
I wouldn't want my cat to shoot me in the head.

It depends on the weight of the trigger pull. You can get a gun with a heavier trigger pull if you choose. However, if that is a concern, then obviously you need to consider that possibility and take precautions.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
weltschmerz wrote:
Question....

If a loaded hand gun falls, can it go off?
Sushi the Destroyer knocks everything off my bedside table; lamps, plants, alarm clocks.
I wouldn't want my cat to shoot me in the head.
It depends on the weight of the trigger pull. You can get a gun with a heavier trigger pull if you choose. However, if that is a concern, then obviously you need to consider that possibility and take precautions.

I don't leave a gun on the nightstand. I do not want it on display.

huskerbb · Guru

weltschmerz wrote:
It strikes me that there are two main problems with guns as protection:

1. If it’s un****ed and unloaded when you need it, it’s useless.

2. If it’s ****ed and loaded when you don’t need it (which is most of the time), it’s very, very dangerous.

Unfortunately for the Reynolds/Villescas family in Albuquerque, NM, the second scenario proved to be disastrous when their 3-year-old boy pulled the loaded ****ed gun out of Mom’s purse, fired a bullet and injured both his parents.

The family was staying at an Albuquerque motel with the boy, his 2-year-old sister, the pregnant mother and the father. The boy reached into his parents purse for what he thought was an iPod, but instead pulled out the loaded gun.

Justin Reynolds told KOB-TV that he and his girlfriend, Monique Villescas, were getting ready to order pizza when the toddler fired the shot.

“It was like if I was to get up shake your hand and sat back down. That’s how fast it happened,” Reynolds said. “All of a sudden we heard a gun go off and the next minute I realized my girlfriend was bleeding. Then, I sat down and realized I was shot, too.”

“I was more worried about my girlfriend than myself and anything else that was going on. And my son because I didn’t know if he had shot himself or not,” said Reynolds. “He was shocked and crying. It was traumatizing.”

The boy’s sister was unhurt, the father was shot in the lower back and the mother was hit in the shoulder and is hospitalized but in good condition.

www.addictinginfo.org/2015/02/01/toddler-finds-handgun-in-moms-purse-and-shoots-both-parents-video/

Way too much of this crap happening, despite all the "responsible" gun owners.

It can be argued that one incident is "too much"--just like one car accident is too much.

However, the FACT is that such incidents are exceedingly RARE--especially in comparison to nearly all other forms of accidental deaths.

No one wants to ban cars because MANY kids get killed that way. One is MANY times more likely to be killed because your household has a car than a gun.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

OK - accidental death by firearm doesn't even rate in the top 10 causes of accidental death. It's RARE. It's so rare - it makes the news every time it happens. That, and the liberal media's agenda, is why you hear about that more than anything.

www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unintentional_injury_2011-a.pdf

You want to start prosecuting parents - how about those that leave poisonous cleaning products within reach of their children. Why don't we ban bathtubs, and not let kids ride in cars? What about parents who leave pillows and loose blankets in cribs?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - accidental death by firearm doesn't even rate in the top 10 causes of accidental death. It's RARE. It's so rare - it makes the news every time it happens. That, and the liberal media's agenda, is why you hear about that more than anything.

www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unintentional_injury_2011-a.pdf

You want to start prosecuting parents - how about those that leave poisonous cleaning products within reach of their children. Why don't we ban bathtubs, and not let kids ride in cars? What about parents who leave pillows and loose blankets in cribs?

Yes, i want to prosecute parents for gross negligence.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - accidental death by firearm doesn't even rate in the top 10 causes of accidental death. It's RARE. It's so rare - it makes the news every time it happens. That, and the liberal media's agenda, is why you hear about that more than anything.

www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unintentional_injury_2011-a.pdf

You want to start prosecuting parents - how about those that leave poisonous cleaning products within reach of their children. Why don't we ban bathtubs, and not let kids ride in cars? What about parents who leave pillows and loose blankets in cribs?

Yes, i want to prosecute parents for gross negligence.

We have had this discussion before. Yes, those types of deaths ARE rare, but it should make the news, no matter whose "agenda" you think it is.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

YOUR gun. YOUR responsibility.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - accidental death by firearm doesn't even rate in the top 10 causes of accidental death. It's RARE. It's so rare - it makes the news every time it happens. That, and the liberal media's agenda, is why you hear about that more than anything.

www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unintentional_injury_2011-a.pdf

You want to start prosecuting parents - how about those that leave poisonous cleaning products within reach of their children. Why don't we ban bathtubs, and not let kids ride in cars? What about parents who leave pillows and loose blankets in cribs?

Yes, i want to prosecute parents for gross negligence.

Simply having a loaded gun is not that.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - accidental death by firearm doesn't even rate in the top 10 causes of accidental death. It's RARE. It's so rare - it makes the news every time it happens. That, and the liberal media's agenda, is why you hear about that more than anything.

www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/pdf/leading_causes_of_injury_deaths_highlighting_unintentional_injury_2011-a.pdf

You want to start prosecuting parents - how about those that leave poisonous cleaning products within reach of their children. Why don't we ban bathtubs, and not let kids ride in cars? What about parents who leave pillows and loose blankets in cribs?

Yes, i want to prosecute parents for gross negligence.
Simply having a loaded gun is not that.

I would agree that it DEPENDS on the circumstances.