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flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

RE: Man, 36, recounts what it was like to accidentally shoot and kill his sister when he was just 10 years old

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

We dont' let 10yr olds drive cars now do we?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We dont' let 10yr olds drive cars now do we?

Except for husker...

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Except for Lilly who ignored her parents' teachings but yet doesn't allow the same for her own kids. Go figure.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah, you are "hardcore'. Well, except when you went astray and SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. So, why didn't you? Did your parents fail you?

You mean when I was an adult, done something stupid, and accepted the consequences of my actions?

See? I wasn't bailed out.

My parents didn't cover or make excuses for me.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Except for Lilly who ignored her parents' teachings but yet doesn't allow the same for her own kids. Go figure.

You're not new here, darlin'.

biggrin

flan

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We dont' let 10yr olds drive cars now do we?

Not usually, but most 10 year olds I know hunt.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah, you are "hardcore'. Well, except when you went astray and SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. So, why didn't you? Did your parents fail you?
You mean when I was an adult, done something stupid, and accepted the consequences of my actions?
See? I wasn't bailed out.
My parents didn't cover or make excuses for me.

Well, you keep saying that if you have stern parents, that kids won't make that mistake in the first place. Or else, you dont' care if your kid makes a fatal mistake and kills a sib. How do you wish me to interpret that?

Tinydancer · Guru

Why make this about lily?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Except for Lilly who ignored her parents' teachings but yet doesn't allow the same for her own kids. Go figure.

You act like a person can't learn or change.

Yes. I broke the law.

I paid for my crimes.

The courts have deemed my debt paid.

But let's deflect from the subject at hand.

That's what happens when you run out of arguments.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I find it quite fascinating that you are so unforgiving of others who make similare mistakes.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

And, in your situation, making a mistake didn't have fatal consequences. In this instance it does. I totally respect that you own up to your own mistakes. We all should. But, neither am i navie to think that if i just TELL my kids, that they will NEVER make a mistake. And, that's fine if they make mistakes but i am certainly going to try to make damn sure they don't make fatal mistakes.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We dont' let 10yr olds drive cars now do we?

We don't "let" them take guns and kill people, either.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We dont' let 10yr olds drive cars now do we?
Except for husker...
flan

If you wait until they are 15, they won't be good drivers.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah, you are "hardcore'. Well, except when you went astray and SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. So, why didn't you? Did your parents fail you?
You mean when I was an adult, done something stupid, and accepted the consequences of my actions?
See? I wasn't bailed out.
My parents didn't cover or make excuses for me.

Well, you keep saying that if you have stern parents, that kids won't make that mistake in the first place. Or else, you dont' care if your kid makes a fatal mistake and kills a sib. How do you wish me to interpret that?

No.

I'm saying as a 10 year old, I feared the repercussions of my actions.

As an adult, I done something stupid and paid the price for it.

Do you think if I had grown up with helicopter parents, I would have realized what I did was wrong or would I have blamed everyone else for my actions?

You like throwing my past in my face.

Yes. I broke the law.

What more do you want?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Why make this about lily?

It's a valid point. She owns her mistakes. But her kids are not allowed to make mistakes as well? And the mistakes we are talking about have FATAL consequences. I totally respect Lilly for moving forward.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - so you leave your 10 year old home alone (that is legal in most states). While you are gone, he takes the keys to the extra car and goes on a joyride, crashes and dies.

Do we now ban cars?
This argument gets more idiotic every time it's brought up.
flan

How so? It's the exact same thing. Kids are not supposed to play with guns. Kids are not supposed to drive a car. If they DISOBEY and do what they are not supposed to do - it seems the argument should be the same for both instruments.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Yeah, you are "hardcore'. Well, except when you went astray and SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. So, why didn't you? Did your parents fail you?
You mean when I was an adult, done something stupid, and accepted the consequences of my actions?
See? I wasn't bailed out.
My parents didn't cover or make excuses for me.

Well, you keep saying that if you have stern parents, that kids won't make that mistake in the first place. Or else, you dont' care if your kid makes a fatal mistake and kills a sib. How do you wish me to interpret that?
No.
I'm saying as a 10 year old, I feared the repercussions of my actions.
As an adult, I done something stupid and paid the price for it.
Do you think if I had grown up with helicopter parents, I would have realized what I did was wrong or would I have blamed everyone else for my actions?
You like throwing my past in my face.
Yes. I broke the law.
What more do you want?

Soooo, making mistakes as an ADULT is OK, but making mistakes as a CHILD is not? Oh ok.

Tinydancer · Guru

Where did she say her kids are not allowed to make mistakes? I think you're projecting.

huskerbb · Guru

Her kids never shot anyone.

huskerbb · Guru

Neither have mine, or any of the children of the gun owners I know.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Where did she say her kids are not allowed to make mistakes? I think you're projecting.

Not at all. If she leaves loaded guns laying around, then it isn't projecting. Sorry but I find it incredulous that a forgiven Christian who has fallen from Grace seems to have some delusion that children are also not fellow sinners capable of sin and stupidity.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Neither have mine, or any of the children of the gun owners I know.

So what? Most people dont' commit crimes or make fatal mistakes. But if you want to push your kids off a cliff then what do i care? Go ahead. Leave some loaded guns laying around for your grankids. Your choice.

Tinydancer · Guru

She never said that. You are just making stuff up now.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Good God.

I'm saying I could leave my kids alone and worry about them killing each other.

I'm saying I can leave a loaded gun propped in the corner and not worry about my kids messing with it.

I'm saying I didn't cripple my kids by treating them like 2 year olds all the time.

You say it depends on the child.

You say a kid can't cross the road by themselves.

You bounce back and forth between talking about a 2 yr old and a 10 yr old like they are one in the same.

They are not.

And what I did as an adult has nothing to do with my parents.

I didn't break any laws or really get in any trouble until I was on my own.

It was MY fault. Not theirs.

They taught me better and I did better as a child.

As an adult, I made a poor choice and I paid for it.

Your premise is that my parents are responsible for my actions.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Where did she say her kids are not allowed to make mistakes? I think you're projecting.
Not at all. If she leaves loaded guns laying around, then it isn't projecting. Sorry but I find it incredulous that a forgiven Christian who has fallen from Grace seems to have some delusion that children are also not fellow sinners capable of sin and stupidity.

Ok.

I'm done with trying to debate with you on this matter.

You have moved from debating to insulting.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Good God.

I'm saying I could leave my kids alone and worry about them killing each other.

I'm saying I can leave a loaded gun propped in the corner and not worry about my kids messing with it.

I'm saying I didn't cripple my kids by treating them like 2 year olds all the time.

You say it depends on the child.

You say a kid can't cross the road by themselves.

You bounce back and forth between talking about a 2 yr old and a 10 yr old like they are one in the same.

They are not.

And what I did as an adult has nothing to do with my parents.

I didn't break any laws or really get in any trouble until I was on my own.

It was MY fault. Not theirs.

They taught me better and I did better as a child.

As an adult, I made a poor choice and I paid for it.

Your premise is that my parents are responsible for my actions.

No. I didn't say any of that schit. I said it "depends' when a kid can cross the street. Some younger kids can. Some cant'. Grown ass people should be able to understand that. Yet, even with your Christian upbringing you screwed up. Fine. But, what if the "screw up was your kid pointing a loaded gun and shooting a neighbor"?

Tinydancer · Guru

But it wasn't and you insisting that it could be doesn't make it true.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Where did she say her kids are not allowed to make mistakes? I think you're projecting.
Not at all. If she leaves loaded guns laying around, then it isn't projecting. Sorry but I find it incredulous that a forgiven Christian who has fallen from Grace seems to have some delusion that children are also not fellow sinners capable of sin and stupidity.
Ok.
I'm done with trying to debate with you on this matter.
You have moved from debating to insulting.

If you want to consider that insulting, i truly apologize. As i said, i respect you. However, i also KNOW that i am a less than perfect person. That ONLY through God's grace am i forgiven. And, yet i also understand that other struggle, and fall and make mistakes.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Think I'll build a rec room for the kids.

Rough cut furniture, held together with rusty nails. Make sure the wiring is exposed and throw water around everywhere.

And leave a massive amount of loaded guns, coke and ready to go on every surface.

And I'll build it across the road!

May even put a gas leak in there as well. Give them some matches and Roman candles too.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We dont' let 10yr olds drive cars now do we?
Except for husker...
flan
If you wait until they are 15, they won't be good drivers.

Why is is that the laws of almost every state disagree with you?

In the United States, the minimum age at which a person can receive a learner's permit varies by state, ranging 14 to 18 (minimum age in Alaska is 14).

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Think I'll build a rec room for the kids.

Rough cut furniture, held together with rusty nails. Make sure the wiring is exposed and throw water around everywhere.

And leave a massive amount of loaded guns, coke and ready to go on every surface.

And I'll build it across the road!

May even put a gas leak in there as well. Give them some matches and Roman candles too.

So, why don't you? You only have to say NO and they SHOULD KNOW BETTER.

huskerbb · Guru

flan327 wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
We dont' let 10yr olds drive cars now do we?
Except for husker...
flan
If you wait until they are 15, they won't be good drivers.
Why is is that the laws of almost every state disagree with you?
In the United States, the minimum age at which a person can receive a learner's permit varies by state, ranging 14 to 18 (minimum age in Alaska is 14).
flan

They are dumbasses.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - so you leave your 10 year old home alone (that is legal in most states). While you are gone, he takes the keys to the extra car and goes on a joyride, crashes and dies.

Do we now ban cars?
This argument gets more idiotic every time it's brought up.
flan
How so? It's the exact same thing. Kids are not supposed to play with guns. Kids are not supposed to drive a car. If they DISOBEY and do what they are not supposed to do - it seems the argument should be the same for both instruments.

What is the purpose of a GUN?

What is the purpose of a CAR?

flan

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Neither have mine, or any of the children of the gun owners I know.
So what? Most people dont' commit crimes or make fatal mistakes. But if you want to push your kids off a cliff then what do i care? Go ahead. Leave some loaded guns laying around for your grankids. Your choice.

Yeah, so what are you arguing about something so ridiculous and unlikely for?

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Unlikely because MOST parents don't leave loaded guns laying around. For those of you who pretend to believe in "personal responsibilty", it is quite hilarious how you then just decide, I am not responsible for my own loaded gun!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
flan327 wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
OK - so you leave your 10 year old home alone (that is legal in most states). While you are gone, he takes the keys to the extra car and goes on a joyride, crashes and dies.

Do we now ban cars?
This argument gets more idiotic every time it's brought up.
flan
How so? It's the exact same thing. Kids are not supposed to play with guns. Kids are not supposed to drive a car. If they DISOBEY and do what they are not supposed to do - it seems the argument should be the same for both instruments.
What is the purpose of a GUN?
What is the purpose of a CAR?
flan

They are both tools. Neither one can be used without an operator. And I consider SELF DEFENSE to be just as important as toting your butt to work or the mall.

Tinydancer · Guru

If there are no kids around or kids who are familiar with guns leaving it loaded is not a problem even if YOU think it is.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
If there are no kids around or kids who are familiar with guns leaving it loaded is not a problem even if YOU think it is.

OK? Except in all of these situations there WERE children.

Tinydancer · Guru

Yes there were but not all gun owners are like this or we'd have a hell of a lot more dead kids.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Guns have been around for centuries and kids were taught to use them and respect them. The main change? Kids are not respectful and fearful of their parents rules anymore. You should be able to leave a gun sitting right next to a 10 year old, and if you tell them not to touch it - they damn well better not touch it!

Of course, you have to start young, and with other things. But your kids should know that no means no.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
If there are no kids around or kids who are familiar with guns leaving it loaded is not a problem even if YOU think it is.
OK? Except in all of these situations there WERE children.

Everyone I know has guns. Loaded guns. I don't know of one person, child or adult, that has been shot. These cases are rare. They are the exception.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
If there are no kids around or kids who are familiar with guns leaving it loaded is not a problem even if YOU think it is.
OK? Except in all of these situations there WERE children.
Everyone I know has guns. Loaded guns. I don't know of one person, child or adult, that has been shot. These cases are rare. They are the exception.

Yeah. And, lots of people have pitbulls, UNTIL they eat a kid.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Yes there were but not all gun owners are like this or we'd have a hell of a lot more dead kids.

Seems like there are more than enough already. How many are enough to suit you?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Yes there were but not all gun owners are like this or we'd have a hell of a lot more dead kids.
Seems like there are more than enough already. How many are enough to suit you?

You can't fix stupid. But you can't punish everyone for a few people's stupidity.

A 10 year old doing this is not even remotely the same as a toddler having the opportunity to do it.

Tinydancer · Guru

So no one should own guns? You don't get to tell others how or what to do with their guns.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
If there are no kids around or kids who are familiar with guns leaving it loaded is not a problem even if YOU think it is.
OK? Except in all of these situations there WERE children.
Everyone I know has guns. Loaded guns. I don't know of one person, child or adult, that has been shot. These cases are rare. They are the exception.
Yeah. And, lots of people have pitbulls, UNTIL they eat a kid.

Your point?

Lexxy · My dog name is Sasha, too!

Lawyerlady wrote:
Guns have been around for centuries and kids were taught to use them and respect them. The main change? Kids are not respectful and fearful of their parents rules anymore. You should be able to leave a gun sitting right next to a 10 year old, and if you tell them not to touch it - they damn well better not touch it!

Of course, you have to start young, and with other things. But your kids should know that no means no.

So Much This!!

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

My point is that yeah, bad things happen rarely. But, doest mean i go out of my way to put my kids in potentially dangerous situations.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Yes there were but not all gun owners are like this or we'd have a hell of a lot more dead kids.
Seems like there are more than enough already. How many are enough to suit you?

One is too many. Just like one car accident or one fatal poisoning. Accidents are going to happen and if the adults are negligent then arrest them. You DON'T get to tell others they have to do as you do. Sheeesh!