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Ohfour · Hooker

RE: Man, 36, recounts what it was like to accidentally shoot and kill his sister when he was just 10 years old

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Here is the difference.

My two year old? I kept all poisons and cleaning supplies out of reach, never left them unattended near her.

My ten year old? She's helping me clean and knows not to drink the stuff or get it in her eyes.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

As I said, they are YOUR kids and grandkids. Do whatever the Hell you please. If you want to hand them loaded guns, the go ahead.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
LGS,
I'm really trying to understand your point here. Do you want guns banned? Do you want people with kids to be disallowed guns? You don't think loaded guns should be around children. That's fine. But how are you expecting to fix that?

No i dont' want guns banned. I own guns. I have a concealed weapons permit. I carry my gun. But, i am not going to be stupid enough to leave loaded guns laying around. That seems like simple commonsense to me.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

My gun is loaded when i carry. When i take my gun off, i unload it. I can have it at the ready with my ammo ready but i know where my gun is as at ALL times and i know who has access to it. Seems like simply being a responsible gun owner to me. But, clearly i am in the minority here.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
My point is that yeah, bad things happen rarely. But, doest mean i go out of my way to put my kids in potentially dangerous situations.

neither do other people.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
LGS,
I'm really trying to understand your point here. Do you want guns banned? Do you want people with kids to be disallowed guns? You don't think loaded guns should be around children. That's fine. But how are you expecting to fix that?
No i dont' want guns banned. I own guns. I have a concealed weapons permit. I carry my gun. But, i am not going to be stupid enough to leave loaded guns laying around. That seems like simple commonsense to me.

As it does to most people. However, I think the definition of "lying around" is the problem.

And how careful you are with it normally changes as your children age.

My problem with this article is that the kid knew better, his little sister knew better, and he still went into his parents' room, and got a gun out of a drawer - when he was old enough to know not to.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
My gun is loaded when i carry. When i take my gun off, i unload it. I can have it at the ready with my ammo ready but i know where my gun is as at ALL times and i know who has access to it. Seems like simply being a responsible gun owner to me. But, clearly i am in the minority here.

I also know where my gun is at all times. So?

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
My gun is loaded when i carry. When i take my gun off, i unload it. I can have it at the ready with my ammo ready but i know where my gun is as at ALL times and i know who has access to it. Seems like simply being a responsible gun owner to me. But, clearly i am in the minority here.

It's your sanctimonious preaching that puts you in the minority. You seem to think your way to handle guns is the only way to safely do it--when it's not--and that no one else ever handles guns safely, when MILLIONS more people don't have bad things happen than do.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ohfour wrote:
LGS,
I'm really trying to understand your point here. Do you want guns banned? Do you want people with kids to be disallowed guns? You don't think loaded guns should be around children. That's fine. But how are you expecting to fix that?
No i dont' want guns banned. I own guns. I have a concealed weapons permit. I carry my gun. But, i am not going to be stupid enough to leave loaded guns laying around. That seems like simple commonsense to me.
As it does to most people. However, I think the definition of "lying around" is the problem.
And how careful you are with it normally changes as your children age.

My problem with this article is that the kid knew better, his little sister knew better, and he still went into his parents' room, and got a gun out of a drawer - when he was old enough to know not to.

Exactly. The gun wasn't lying around.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well guess what? You can be sanctimonious and "right". But, they still buried their dead daughter.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

SO, if that is the price of being RIGHT to you and you are fine with that, then carry on!

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
SO, if that is the price of being RIGHT to you and you are fine with that, then carry on!

There are no dead kids in my family from accidental shootings. Why are you trying to make their mistake everyone elses? I don't get it.

huskerbb · Guru

LOL!!!!

You act like everyone who does things differently than you would is paying some huge "price". That is simply untrue. Again, such incidents are beyond rare.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Arguig for the "right" to leave loaded guns laying around your house when you have kids seems foolish to me. But, if you want to, then go ahead. Who is stopping you? Put a loaded gun in every room cuz you never know when trouble will come through your front door. Go for it!

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well guess what? You can be sanctimonious and "right". But, they still buried their dead daughter.

People bury the kids for all kinds of accidents. That is what they are. MOST accidents could be prevented if people acted perfectly all the time. The level of negligence is what makes the difference. And while it might be negligent to leave a loaded gun in reach of a toddler, it is not negligence to have a loaded gun in the house with older children that have been taught not to touch.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well guess what? You can be sanctimonious and "right". But, they still buried their dead daughter.
People bury the kids for all kinds of accidents. That is what they are. MOST accidents could be prevented if people acted perfectly all the time. The level of negligence is what makes the difference. And while it might be negligent to leave a loaded gun in reach of a toddler, it is not negligence to have a loaded gun in the house with older children that have been taught not to touch.

So, now you are agreeing that there are degrees of negligence when it comes to guns?

Tinydancer · Guru

Nobody said any different. Are you arguing just to argue?

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Arguig for the "right" to leave loaded guns laying around your house when you have kids seems foolish to me. But, if you want to, then go ahead. Who is stopping you? Put a loaded gun in every room cuz you never know when trouble will come through your front door. Go for it!

it wasn't "laying around" at all. You are just being ridiculous. Comparing 10 year olds and 2 year olds as if they are the same, arguing "facts" that are not facts.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well guess what? You can be sanctimonious and "right". But, they still buried their dead daughter.
People bury the kids for all kinds of accidents. That is what they are. MOST accidents could be prevented if people acted perfectly all the time. The level of negligence is what makes the difference. And while it might be negligent to leave a loaded gun in reach of a toddler, it is not negligence to have a loaded gun in the house with older children that have been taught not to touch.
So, now you are agreeing that there are degrees of negligence when it comes to guns?

What Tinydancer said. Geesh.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well guess what? You can be sanctimonious and "right". But, they still buried their dead daughter.
People bury the kids for all kinds of accidents. That is what they are. MOST accidents could be prevented if people acted perfectly all the time. The level of negligence is what makes the difference. And while it might be negligent to leave a loaded gun in reach of a toddler, it is not negligence to have a loaded gun in the house with older children that have been taught not to touch.
So, now you are agreeing that there are degrees of negligence when it comes to guns?

Of course there are. You are the one that is saying "this is how you must do things with no exceptions".

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

I wouldn't leave a loaded gun laying around for a 5 yr old or for a 10 yr old. Apparently, some of you are hysterical over that fact. Not sure why.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ha! You are the ones saying "this is right, no exceptions" Every 10 yr old should KNOW BETTER. I am not the one saying that. ANd, you can't even accept a different approach from a fellow gun owner. WHo are the rigid ones here?

Ohfour · Hooker

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well guess what? You can be sanctimonious and "right". But, they still buried their dead daughter.
People bury the kids for all kinds of accidents. That is what they are. MOST accidents could be prevented if people acted perfectly all the time. The level of negligence is what makes the difference. And while it might be negligent to leave a loaded gun in reach of a toddler, it is not negligence to have a loaded gun in the house with older children that have been taught not to touch.
So, now you are agreeing that there are degrees of negligence when it comes to guns?
Of course there are. You are the one that is saying "this is how you must do things with no exceptions".

Seriously. Yes, it's negligent to put a loaded gun on the floor beside your 2 year old's bed. A loaded gun in in a drawer while my 10 year old is home? Not even.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.

You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Ohfour wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well guess what? You can be sanctimonious and "right". But, they still buried their dead daughter.
People bury the kids for all kinds of accidents. That is what they are. MOST accidents could be prevented if people acted perfectly all the time. The level of negligence is what makes the difference. And while it might be negligent to leave a loaded gun in reach of a toddler, it is not negligence to have a loaded gun in the house with older children that have been taught not to touch.
So, now you are agreeing that there are degrees of negligence when it comes to guns?
Of course there are. You are the one that is saying "this is how you must do things with no exceptions".
Seriously. Yes, it's negligent to put a loaded gun on the floor beside your 2 year old's bed. A loaded gun in in a drawer while my 10 year old is home? Not even.

THat's YOUR opinion. I disagree.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.

Responsible gun ownership means teaching your kids to respect firearms if you are going to have them in the house.

There is NO WHERE you can keep a gun in a house that a determine 10 year old couldn't get to. So, if you are relying on hiding your gun rather than teaching your kids to respect it, and heck, even use it when they are old enough, you are not being responsible, IMO.

Ohfour · Hooker

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I wouldn't leave a loaded gun laying around for a 5 yr old or for a 10 yr old. Apparently, some of you are hysterical over that fact. Not sure why.

Your kids are teens and you don't even leave your gun unloaded around them. That's a tad bit much. I mean, do you not trust your teens?

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ha! You are the ones saying "this is right, no exceptions" Every 10 yr old should KNOW BETTER. I am not the one saying that. ANd, you can't even accept a different approach from a fellow gun owner. WHo are the rigid ones here?

You are the one that can't accept a different approach.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.

Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I wouldn't leave a loaded gun laying around for a 5 yr old or for a 10 yr old. Apparently, some of you are hysterical over that fact. Not sure why.

Because it's stupid. They are not the same.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ha! You are the ones saying "this is right, no exceptions" Every 10 yr old should KNOW BETTER. I am not the one saying that. ANd, you can't even accept a different approach from a fellow gun owner. WHo are the rigid ones here?
You are the one that can't accept a different approach.

You are the one saying a loaded gun is fine for ALL 10 yr olds. Um yeah. confuse

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.

Proper child development also requires increasing levels of responsibility, trust, and independence.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.

No, yOu obviously do not, you treat teenagers like toddlers. You have to hold their hand to cross the street.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I wouldn't leave a loaded gun laying around for a 5 yr old or for a 10 yr old. Apparently, some of you are hysterical over that fact. Not sure why.
Because it's stupid. They are not the same.

I didn't say they were. NOr will i PRETEND that all 1o yr olds are at the same developmental level like you wish to pretend.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.

First, my kids are grown and gone but if the grandkids come over the gun is locked up. Your scenario is not everyones' so get over it already.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.
No, yOu obviously do not, you treat teenagers like toddlers. You have to hold their hand to cross the street.

That isn't what i said. But, if you want to try to try insult my parenting then have at it.

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ha! You are the ones saying "this is right, no exceptions" Every 10 yr old should KNOW BETTER. I am not the one saying that. ANd, you can't even accept a different approach from a fellow gun owner. WHo are the rigid ones here?
You are the one that can't accept a different approach.
You are the one saying a loaded gun is fine for ALL 10 yr olds. Um yeah.

If yiu failed to teach your children to act responsibly, that's on yOu. Like I said, my kids could load the guns themselves by that age.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ha! You are the ones saying "this is right, no exceptions" Every 10 yr old should KNOW BETTER. I am not the one saying that. ANd, you can't even accept a different approach from a fellow gun owner. WHo are the rigid ones here?
You are the one that can't accept a different approach.
You are the one saying a loaded gun is fine for ALL 10 yr olds. Um yeah.

It should be for the ones with guns in the house. They should have already been taught proper gun safety and not to touch it. It should have been shown to them, explained to them, and the dangers made very clear.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.
First, my kids are grown and gone but if the grandkids come over the gun is locked up. Your scenario is not everyones' so get over it already.

Why are you locking the gun? Aren't your grandkids smart enough to not touch the loaded gun?

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ha! You are the ones saying "this is right, no exceptions" Every 10 yr old should KNOW BETTER. I am not the one saying that. ANd, you can't even accept a different approach from a fellow gun owner. WHo are the rigid ones here?
You are the one that can't accept a different approach.
You are the one saying a loaded gun is fine for ALL 10 yr olds. Um yeah.

This thread is wack-a-doodle even for THIS place.

flan

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.
First, my kids are grown and gone but if the grandkids come over the gun is locked up. Your scenario is not everyones' so get over it already.
Why are you locking the gun? Aren't your grandkids smart enough to not touch the loaded gun?

They are toddlers. I believe we've made the distinction clear. But you just want to keep arguing.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.
First, my kids are grown and gone but if the grandkids come over the gun is locked up. Your scenario is not everyones' so get over it already.
Why are you locking the gun? Aren't your grandkids smart enough to not touch the loaded gun?

Now you are contradicting yourself! LOL! My guns are LOCKED! Why?

huskerbb · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.
No, yOu obviously do not, you treat teenagers like toddlers. You have to hold their hand to cross the street.
That isn't what i said. But, if you want to try to try insult my parenting then have at it.

LOL!!! You are doing exactly that to everyone else. Spouting nonsense about leaving guns "lay around" where two year olds can get them and other crap.

Tinydancer · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.
First, my kids are grown and gone but if the grandkids come over the gun is locked up. Your scenario is not everyones' so get over it already.
Why are you locking the gun? Aren't your grandkids smart enough to not touch the loaded gun?

They are young (6, 4, and 2) and are not used to having a gun in the house. When they are older I will personally take them to the gun range and make sure they know all about guns. You can leave you kids in ignorant bliss if you want to.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, since you wish to impugn my parenting, then i guess i should impugn your grandparenting!

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
huskerbb wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Ha! You are the ones saying "this is right, no exceptions" Every 10 yr old should KNOW BETTER. I am not the one saying that. ANd, you can't even accept a different approach from a fellow gun owner. WHo are the rigid ones here?
You are the one that can't accept a different approach.
You are the one saying a loaded gun is fine for ALL 10 yr olds. Um yeah.
It should be for the ones with guns in the house. They should have already been taught proper gun safety and not to touch it. It should have been shown to them, explained to them, and the dangers made very clear.

Ten-year-olds KNOW a lot of things. It doesn't mean they always obey the rules. Some things, like GUNS, have deadly consequences. I'm certainly not about to risk my child's life on an assumption.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Tinydancer wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
I didn't say any different either. I own guns. Are you arguing just to argue? I also believe in responsible gun ownership. If you don't, that's OK.
You are projecting again. I am not the gun owner in the op. You are NOT the only one who is responsible gun owner and to think you are is pretty out there.
Oh i am "out there"? Except i am not the one leaving loaded guns laying around for kids because i happen to understand child development and understand that kids are kids.
First, my kids are grown and gone but if the grandkids come over the gun is locked up. Your scenario is not everyones' so get over it already.
Why are you locking the gun? Aren't your grandkids smart enough to not touch the loaded gun?
They are young (6, 4, and 2) and are not used to having a gun in the house. When they are older I will personally take them to the gun range and make sure they know all about guns. You can leave you kids in ignorant bliss if you want to.

My kids hunt and shoot guns. Nice try.

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Well, since you wish to impugn my parenting, then i guess i should impugn your grandparenting!

She is their grandparent - not their parent. Who knows what parents teach their kids, these days.