No.

huskerbb wrote:

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No, we can't. The article even points out how much taxes would have to increase.

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 DOUBLE.

Dartmouth will be free for all!

Harvard! Free!

Yale! Free!

Lindley wrote:

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No!!!! It would be small business's that would be hurt the most. We can't even hire anymore people because of obamacare. Small business is the backbone of this country and it will decrease even more under sanders plan. Nothing is free and the money has to come out of somewhere and it won't be the mega rich.

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 Totally agree!

I'm moving in with Welz if Bernie wins.

No matter how you spin it Dona I am sick of working my butt off to pay for people whom are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves.

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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No, we can't. The article even points out how much taxes would have to increase.

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 Yes, but with no healthcare costs, and for young people, less of the student loan nightmare, it seems like it will even out.

And no, it isn't about free free free. It an investment in the youth of the country. 

People here are always conplaining that young adults are slow to leave the nest. Well, with 100k of debt, and low level entry jobs to pay it off, how are we supposed to pay for health insurance,  morgages, and the like? Who is supposed to give a young 20 something a lian to buy a house when they can barely afford the debt they already have? 

And yes, closing loopholes and taxing the megarich osnone strategy that he is employing. 

My parents ARE small business owners, and they are all for Bernie's plans. The middle class is disappearing, and Bernie is the only one that seems to notice, care, and want to fix it. 

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 Except for those people that don't have those issues to deal with, healthy and don't need free tuition.  

The YOUTH of the country can work for what they have like every generation before them. 

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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Who never has to deal with healthcare???

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To the extent that it justifies taxing everyone atrociously?  Not as many as you think.  

 

Dona Worry Be Happy wrote:

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huskerbb wrote:

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No, we can't. The article even points out how much taxes would have to increase.

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 Yes, but with no healthcare costs, and for young people, less of the student loan nightmare, it seems like it will even out.

And no, it isn't about free free free. It an investment in the youth of the country. 

People here are always conplaining that young adults are slow to leave the nest. Well, with 100k of debt, and low level entry jobs to pay it off, how are we supposed to pay for health insurance,  morgages, and the like? Who is supposed to give a young 20 something a lian to buy a house when they can barely afford the debt they already have? 

And yes, closing loopholes and taxing the megarich osnone strategy that he is employing. 

My parents ARE small business owners, and they are all for Bernie's plans. The middle class is disappearing, and Bernie is the only one that seems to notice, care, and want to fix it. 

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 Why should my kids have to pay for everyone else's to go to college?  My kids have health care--they WORK for it.  

And if my kids choose not to go to college - is the government going to give me the EQUAL amount they are saving on college tuition?

The government should not be funding ELECTIVE education with tax payer money, because that is not EQUAL.

Even if people don't like Sanders or his plan he totally killed Hillary in the debate last night. I hate her.

TrudyML wrote:

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I worked my ass off and paid for my own college. I worked full time during school. Got rid of a tiny loan afterwards. I am not for everyone paying for the SS college. Work for it yourself. Sick of hearing about it.

Then they move home? Go rent a place with a few friends. Grow the F up.

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 Exactly!  I always had roommates when I was in my 20s.  We ate a lot of Ramen, mac & cheese in the blue box & pasta with cheap jar sauce.  At one point I worked 3 jobs.  One full time that offered heath care & two part time that had other perks.

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Lindley wrote:

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No!!!! It would be small business's that would be hurt the most. We can't even hire anymore people because of obamacare. Small business is the backbone of this country and it will decrease even more under sanders plan. Nothing is free and the money has to come out of somewhere and it won't be the mega rich.

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 Totally agree!

I'm moving in with Welz if Bernie wins.

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To the country that operates pretty much as Bernie is suggesting?

Why would you do that?

It's like saying "It's too cold here in Boston, so I'm moving to Alaska!"

Don't get me wrong; you're more than welcome, but to escape Bernie's "socialism" by moving to a country that's already "socialist" doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Bring the cats.

Haven't people been saying "Our system is too broken to implement universal healthcare right now" for the last half century?
If not now, when?
But sure, come on up! You, me and Flan could be roomies,

Can America afford Sanders’ big plans?
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in a word, no--ridiculous to compare us to countries with a tenth ( or less ) of our population--sanders ( and other utopian dems ) simply don't or won't acknowledge the scale and cost in a country this size--of course, the ones in our country who are and have been for decades just sitting on their arses and collecting checks will be all for it--no more insurance costs for us, no more tuition costs for us, subsidized housing, hell, we don't even have to be actively LOOKING for a job to collect unemployment--just gather round and grab your check--and unfortunately, these people get to vote and in very large numbers

just as an aside, obamacare LOST over $750m in benefits paid to and for illegal immigrants in the last 21 months with near zero prospects for EVER recovering ANY of the $$$

Socialized medicine could probably be paid for, if the Government got out of all the other expensive crap it's not even supposed to be in. Other than that, I agree that there's no way we can afford Bernie's ideas.

We need to stop the madness of overseas businesses. We need to close our freaking borders . You want to do business with our country then build your factories here. People can't grow the F up and get a job when there arent any.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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We need to stop the madness of overseas businesses. We need to close our freaking borders . You want to do business with our country then build your factories here. People can't grow the F up and get a job when there arent any.

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Our state is losing 100+ jobs because the company is moving to Mexico.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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We need to stop the madness of overseas businesses. We need to close our freaking borders . You want to do business with our country then build your factories here. People can't grow the F up and get a job when there arent any.

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 There are jobs.  They just don't want the jobs that are available--they require WORK.

 

The trucking industry is desperate with healthy drivers who have clean driving records.  Our meat packing plans are full of foreign workers--both legal and illegal--because that is what the labor pool consists of.  American workers don't even apply for those jobs.  The list goes on and on.  Anything that requires some physical labor, by and large those jobs go to Mexicans and other foreign workers.  Not because they are better at it, or companies intentionally seek them out--but because they are the only one who even apply for such jobs. 

Really? The people serving up your fast food are white? The people cashing you out at the grocery store are white. Lots of white people moppoing floors and folding towels. One of our local industries washes hospital linens. Mostly white, so blah, blah.

But, answer me this? How can Dems be FOR raising the minimum wage in one breath and then in the other say we need MORE people to work at substandard wages? Those industries would function like all other industries if they DIDN"T have the option to hire illegals. They would have to raise the pay or offer some benefits or whatever to attract white workers if what you say is really true. So, how could that then be a bad thing? Wow. You guys have some really schizophrenic notions of policy.

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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And, I am not going to listen to that bullschit of "doing the job Americans won't do". There aren't any jobs that Americans won't do. But, then again, apparently you want to import a Subclass group of subclass human beings to get subclass wages to pick your lettuce and work in your hotels. I think we call that Racism.

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 Bull.   Try looking for workers to cut meat--Americans don't even apply. 

 

They are good jobs with decent starting pay and full benefits. 

huskerbb wrote:

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Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:

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And, I am not going to listen to that bullschit of "doing the job Americans won't do". There aren't any jobs that Americans won't do. But, then again, apparently you want to import a Subclass group of subclass human beings to get subclass wages to pick your lettuce and work in your hotels. I think we call that Racism.

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 Bull.   Try looking for workers to cut meat--Americans don't even apply. 

 

They are good jobs with decent starting pay and full benefits. 

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 My butcher is white.

The slaughter house here is owned and operated by white people.

The delivery guy is Hispanic. 

The carpet mills here have a pretty good mix.

That wasnt the case just 20 years ago. 

Before the carpet mills started shutting down.

A large portion of our Hispanic population moved on.

So much so that one of our catholic churches closed completely. 

I know what to do_sometimes wrote:

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A good college education doesn't have to cost 100K, Dona. And if one can't afford all the tuition they can work full time and go to school part time and pay for the courses as they take them. That is what I did. Walked out with an accounting degree, graduated with honors, and no debt.

And remember, if college is free, all that means is the government run colleges would be "free". Not the private ones. I don't have the time to even explain to you what that would do to degrade the level of education provided at state colleges.

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 We also need to get over pushing everyone into college.   The reason a college degree is now Like a HS diploma is because it is of little value in the workplace anymore!  A lot of degrees could easily be 2 yr degrees but colleges are big sucking businesses.  So, why not make someone go for 4 yrs instead even though 2 years would do?  We need more trade and technical education and a lot less liberal arts.   Some of the majors that our local colleges and universities  offer are totally USELESS degrees to Nowhere and they fill these kid's heads and the heads of naive parents with a lot of bull crap while bringing out the dog and pony show of their "prestigious" university.  We should go back to having apprentices, technical education, certification courses, etc. 

  But, then again, Dems and Repo Rinos have allowed the businesses to all go over seas.  There is very little we make here so the only real skills one needs in the Obamaconomy is to say "Do you want fries with that".

A lot of kids who are not cut out for 4 yrs of college are pushed into it. Then, they flunk out, have no degree and start out their lives with a mountain of debt. What are we doing? And, times have changed. Kids have vast amounts of knowledge about all kinds of things that they didn't before. We have a world of literature, art and everything at our fingertips. Yeah, most people are going to google the Kardashians and play Candy Crush, but the availability is there. And, while it would be nice to have kids know about Art History, I would rather they have actua world skills like being able to change a tire and have honest to God skills at something.

BTW, my son will graduate in June with an AS from a local tech school in Maintenance Electricity and Construction Technology.  

And, i think that if more people were paying their own way, then prices would go down. If parents stopped mortgaging their homes and their retirement income for this phony dream, then maybe costs would adjust and schools would be forced to live in reality and the way schools are run would change. The way these programs are run are extremely inefficient.
At my son's tech school, he goes every day from 8 to 230pm with a lunch break and study time. It is 5 days a week like a job. They take attendance and that attendance is part of their record for employers. Under this system, my son is doing extremely well. I don't think he would fare as well in a traditional college where you have a class then 3 hours of no classes, then another class and long semester breaks, etc. The goal of college is to impart information. I personally dont' think the traditional college model is all that effective anymore.