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Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Tiger teacher: Shocking moment New York educator at ‘success’ school is secretly recorded ripping up homework

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Oh big deal. Geez. We all need a few mean teachers along the way.

FNW · Guru

My first grade teacher used to scold and spank me. All the kids in the neighborhood hated her. When I was in high school, I worked in the personnel office. I looked her up. In all honesty, I breathed a sigh of relief knowing she had died. I know that's bad. But she was cruel.

Now on the flip side, I think the pendulum has swung too far. Making VSS's out of our children. I cringe every once in awhile when the boys complain that I've "hurt their feelings." Yeah, get over it.

ed11563 · Guru

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh big deal. Geez. We all need a few mean teachers along the way.

We've all met them along the way, but these azzh0les are certainly net NEEDED and should never be allowed to be near children.

FNW's teacher who "used to scold and spank me" would be justified ONLY if FNW was lighting fires, starting fights, running around the classroom laughing and screaming ...

or similarly disruptive.

I'd like to know what behavior led to this punishment.

My kids, who were extremely bright, reading and doing math years ahead of their class level,

daydreamed a lot. They were never disruptive, but a few teachers were very annoyed that they didn't want to do things like basic single digit addition when they were already doing 7th grade algebra, and quickly and correctly solving word problems that were 6 to 8 years ahead of their class level.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Sunday 14th of February 2016 10:30:30 AM

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Well, that is your opinion. I frankly don't want a lot of wishy washy coddling teachers for my kids. I used to ask around to find out who the "mean" teachers were and i requested them for my oldest son because he needed that! lol

ed11563 · Guru

FNW wrote:
I breathed a sigh of relief knowing she had died. I know that's bad. But she was cruel.

No, it's NOT bad. It's honest.

I had a teacher in Middle School who really, really enjoyed setting kids up for failure. She was a sneaky bitch, not so obvious as FNW's teacher, but mean.

I was happy to hear that she'd died.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

You also don't know what preceded that. You don't know if the kid was being lazy or defiant or whatever. And, I know we are in the age of not being allowed to actually REQUIRE anything of anybody anymore. Ripping up the homework was a bit much though, i agree.

ed11563 · Guru

Teachers, and managers, and others in positions of authority,

can be firm and demanding, without being nasty and demeaning, or violent.

I've worked for nasty people like that, but only long enough to get another job.

And I have, on occasion, told a teacher not to do certain things to my child.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Teachers, and managers, and others in positions of authority,
can be firm and demanding, without being nasty and demeaning, or violent.

I've worked for nasty people like that, but only long enough to get another job.
And I have, on occasion, told a teacher not to do certain things to my child.

I agree. But, a lot of firm and demanding teachers or bosses are not painted as "nasty or demeaning" merely for expecting someone's best work. That doesnt' seem to be allowed anymore.

FNW · Guru

ed11563 wrote:
Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Oh big deal. Geez. We all need a few mean teachers along the way.
We've all met them along the way, but these azzh0les are certainly net NEEDED and should never be allowed to be near children.

FNW's teacher who "used to scold and spank me" would be justified ONLY if FNW was lighting fires, starting fights, running around the classroom laughing and screaming ...
or similarly disruptive.
I'd like to know what behavior led to this punishment.

My kids, who were extremely bright, reading and doing math years ahead of their class level,
daydreamed a lot. They were never disruptive, but a few teachers were very annoyed that they didn't want to do things like basic single digit addition when they were already doing 7th grade algebra, and quickly and correctly solving word problems that were 6 to 8 years ahead of their class level.

-- Edited by ed11563 on Sunday 14th of February 2016 10:30:30 AM

I do not recall every situation, but I remember one. I dropped my eraser, and a girl came and picked it up. I asked her for it back. That was all. I talked when we were supposed to be quiet. But it was my only eraser, and she stole it.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Being firm and strict is not the same as being mean.

I like a strict teacher.

I remember getting paddlings for not doing my work.

And if I got it at school, I got another at home.

That was the consequences of my actions, or lack of.

Last paddling I got was in middle school.

I remember refusing a paddling once. Mom was called to the school.

She asked why, I told her, she agreed with me.

Nothing else was said or done.

I can't even remember what that was about.

Kids are coddled too much now.

They don't get to grow up like we did.

They're kept as infants too long.

Ilumine · Regular

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
ed11563 wrote:
Teachers, and managers, and others in positions of authority,
can be firm and demanding, without being nasty and demeaning, or violent.

I've worked for nasty people like that, but only long enough to get another job.
And I have, on occasion, told a teacher not to do certain things to my child.

I agree. But, a lot of firm and demanding teachers or bosses are not painted as "nasty or demeaning" merely for expecting someone's best work. That doesnt' seem to be allowed anymore.

SO if you provided your boss with a memo/letter that had a spelling or grammar or even statistical mistake, you think the appropriate response - one adult to another - is to rip the letter up in your face and humiliate you in front of the rest of the office?

And you think that humiliating an 8 year old child for making a mistake in front of his/her entire class is the appropriate response and best way to TEACH the child?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Sometimes, yes.

ed11563 · Guru

lilyofcourse wrote:
Sometimes, yes.

"And you think that humiliating an 8 year old child for making a mistake in front of his/her entire class is the appropriate response and best way to TEACH the child? "

NO NO NO NO NO !!!!

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I disagree.

Depends on what has been done before.

Children are not delicate flowers.

There are times a little embarrassment goes a long way in teaching.

Ilumine · Regular

lilyofcourse wrote:
I disagree.

Depends on what has been done before.

Children are not delicate flowers.

There are times a little embarrassment goes a long way in teaching.

So you would be perfectly ok with your boss doing this same thing to you?

The point is, there are a NUMBER of alternative responses, many that do not "helicopter" or "create VSS" and DO model appropriate adult interpersonal actions.

if it's not an appropriate, mannerly and business like response for a two adult relationship, then it is not one for kids.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

I've had a teacher embarrass me.

I've had bosses embarrass me.

It's part of life and people need to toughen up.

I'm not saying it should be an every day occurrence.

But that it can do a lot of good at times.

huskerbb · Guru

Ilumine wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I disagree.

Depends on what has been done before.

Children are not delicate flowers.

There are times a little embarrassment goes a long way in teaching.

So you would be perfectly ok with your boss doing this same thing to you?
The point is, there are a NUMBER of alternative responses, many that do not "helicopter" or "create VSS" and DO model appropriate adult interpersonal actions.
if it's not an appropriate, mannerly and business like response for a two adult relationship, then it is not one for kids.

Not really an apt comparison--but ok.

The FACT is that some bosses DO that. Whether it's "ok" or not is irrelevant.

Ilumine · Regular

huskerbb wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I disagree.

Depends on what has been done before.

Children are not delicate flowers.

There are times a little embarrassment goes a long way in teaching.

So you would be perfectly ok with your boss doing this same thing to you?
The point is, there are a NUMBER of alternative responses, many that do not "helicopter" or "create VSS" and DO model appropriate adult interpersonal actions.
if it's not an appropriate, mannerly and business like response for a two adult relationship, then it is not one for kids.
Not really an apt comparison--but ok.
The FACT is that some bosses DO that. Whether it's "ok" or not is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant if you don't want to make changes. You talk about rude and entitled children but then shrug at the adults around them doing the same thing.

children model the adults and react to the adults around them - that's based on science - which is the point of parenting and teaching. so do you want to teach our future bosses how to be effective bosses or do you want to keep the status quo just becuase some people DO that.

Your fait accompli attitude is all fine and good, but then you can't turn around and bitch about it when it happens.

Ilumine · Regular

lilyofcourse wrote:
I've had a teacher embarrass me.

I've had bosses embarrass me.

It's part of life and people need to toughen up.

I'm not saying it should be an every day occurrence.

But that it can do a lot of good at times.

sure, at an age appropriate time. But first Graders (8 year olds) need guidance, not humiliation over making a mistake.

God Lilu, this little girl got humiliated for making a mis take in math. you honestly believe humiliating her is the right way to teach her the educational concept she isn't grasping? Do you honestly believe that little girl is going to want to go to her teacher if she has problems grasping a new concept given said Teacher's response to a ****ing mistake is to rip up paper and call her out?

Your of compassion would make Jesus so very proud

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
Sometimes, yes.

NEVER.

NEVER EVER.

flan

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Ilumine wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I've had a teacher embarrass me.

I've had bosses embarrass me.

It's part of life and people need to toughen up.

I'm not saying it should be an every day occurrence.

But that it can do a lot of good at times.

sure, at an age appropriate time. But first Graders (8 year olds) need guidance, not humiliation over making a mistake.
God Lilu, this little girl got humiliated for making a mis take in math. you honestly believe humiliating her is the right way to teach her the educational concept she isn't grasping? Do you honestly believe that little girl is going to want to go to her teacher if she has problems grasping a new concept given said Teacher's response to a ****ing mistake is to rip up paper and call her out?
Your of compassion would make Jesus so very proud

Thank you.

Frankly, the first two sentences sound like the excuses given for hazing new members of a fraternity.

I don't CARE if it happened to you (general you), it's wrong.

flan

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

Hey, whenever you don't like Lilly's opinion, just make sure to play the Jesus card.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lady Gaga Snerd wrote:
Hey, whenever you don't like Lilly's opinion, just make sure to play the Jesus card.

She plays it often enough.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

Ilumine wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I've had a teacher embarrass me.

I've had bosses embarrass me.

It's part of life and people need to toughen up.

I'm not saying it should be an every day occurrence.

But that it can do a lot of good at times.

sure, at an age appropriate time. But first Graders (8 year olds) need guidance, not humiliation over making a mistake.
God Lilu, this little girl got humiliated for making a mis take in math. you honestly believe humiliating her is the right way to teach her the educational concept she isn't grasping? Do you honestly believe that little girl is going to want to go to her teacher if she has problems grasping a new concept given said Teacher's response to a ****ing mistake is to rip up paper and call her out?
Your of compassion would make Jesus so very proud

Um, when IS the appropriate time?

And even God loses his patience.

You know how he is with that whole wrath thing.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 15th of February 2016 12:07:13 PM

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

First graders are 6-7, not 8.

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

That's what I was thinking.

Look, as to the OP, I have said humiliating someone should not be a daily thing.

I said it does have its place.

Even with little kids.

Ilumine · Regular

Lawyerlady wrote:
First graders are 6-7, not 8.

Ok, Second graders.

The he point being, humiliating a child becuase she didn't answer a question or grasp a concept correctly/immediately is more than counterproductive. PLEASE tell me how humiliation actually HELPED this child understand the math concept she didn't understand?

Tell me what switch in her brain flipped when the teacher ripped her paper up?

how many poysters here have bitched about the schools stepping outside of their lane and teaching morals or sex Ed or homosexuality is good or other religions but then are ok with a teacher teaching a child to "grow a thick skin" since they are going to deal with rude/mean/ineffectual adults in their future?

Arent kids going to run into homosexuals in their future? Aren't they going to have sex in their futures? Aren't they goig. To run into a Muslim in their future?

Lawyerlady · On the bright side...... Christmas is coming! (Mod)

Really, I'd need to know the totality of the circumstances - I don't think there is enough information here. There are times that embarrassment is the best tool to getting kids to behave so I'm not going to say that a teacher should never use that.

It's like note passing. Teacher has said not to do it, not to do it, not to do it, and the kids still do it. So the teacher takes the note and reads it to the class. That could be humiliating, and yet well warranted.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

Lawyerlady wrote:
Really, I'd need to know the totality of the circumstances - I don't think there is enough information here. There are times that embarrassment is the best tool to getting kids to behave so I'm not going to say that a teacher should never use that.

It's like note passing. Teacher has said not to do it, not to do it, not to do it, and the kids still do it. So the teacher takes the note and reads it to the class. That could be humiliating, and yet well warranted.

Well, that's different from humiliating a child who got the wrong answer.

And to me, there is a difference between embarrassing & humiliating someone.

flan

Ilumine · Regular

lilyofcourse wrote:
Ilumine wrote:
lilyofcourse wrote:
I've had a teacher embarrass me.

I've had bosses embarrass me.

It's part of life and people need to toughen up.

I'm not saying it should be an every day occurrence.

But that it can do a lot of good at times.

sure, at an age appropriate time. But first Graders (8 year olds) need guidance, not humiliation over making a mistake.
God Lilu, this little girl got humiliated for making a mis take in math. you honestly believe humiliating her is the right way to teach her the educational concept she isn't grasping? Do you honestly believe that little girl is going to want to go to her teacher if she has problems grasping a new concept given said Teacher's response to a ****ing mistake is to rip up paper and call her out?
Your of compassion would make Jesus so very proud
Um, when IS the appropriate time?
And even God loses his patience.
You know how he is with that whole wrath thing.

-- Edited by lilyofcourse on Monday 15th of February 2016 12:07:13 PM

Actually, there really isn't a good time to use humiliation with children, at least not by a teacher. Since you think it's appropriate, please tell me how humiliating this child helped her learn the math concept/theory she didn't understand, thus making her make the mistake on ther classwork paper?

And and while GOD may have done the whole wrath thing, a) teachers are not God and b) he stopped that when he sent us his son. Last time I read the bible, no where did Jesus ever say it was ok to humiliate anyone, let alone children to teach them the way of the Lord. If anything, I remember Love, Joy. Peace, PATIENCE, Kindness, Goodness, Faith and Self Control where the way to go.

So so while this teacher may have had a bad day and all that, thie was not an isolated incident, but a pattern of behavior that prompted the other teacher to record her.

Lady Gaga Snerd · Guru

So why didnt the other teacher go to admin?

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

The Bible also says to spare the rod is to spoil the child.

We don't know enough to say one way or another anything.

I'm just glad my parents didn't raise me with the bubble wrap mentality we have today.

And I'm glad I didn't raise my kids that way.

flan327 · Itty bitty's Grammy

lilyofcourse wrote:
The Bible also says to spare the rod is to spoil the child.

We don't know enough to say one way or another anything.

I'm just glad my parents didn't raise me with the bubble wrap mentality we have today.

And I'm glad I didn't raise my kids that way.

Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

Your parents "whupped" you & you did the same to your kids. Other parents make different choices.

flan

lilyofcourse · My spirit animal is a pink flamingo.

It's like stepping in gum.

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Tiger teacher: Shocking moment New York educator at high-pressure ‘success’ school is secretly recorded ripping up homework and berating FIRST-GRADER for getting math problem wrong

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